Police Search Cell Phones During Routine Traffic Stops

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="dave123321"] Depends on the justification and reason for the search. Have nothing to hide , but still value privacy. It all depends on rather or not it is justifiable. MushroomWig

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="dave123321"] Depends on the justification and reason for the search. Have nothing to hide , but still value privacy. It all depends on rather or not it is justifiable. MushroomWig

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]2) Teenage idiots who have nude pics of their also teenage boy or girlfriend (child porn)MushroomWig

Ask the kids who have been busted for it already and have been given sex offender status.

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[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]2) Teenage idiots who have nude pics of their also teenage boy or girlfriend (child porn)MushroomWig

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="dave123321"] Depends on the justification and reason for the search. Have nothing to hide , but still value privacy. It all depends on rather or not it is justifiable. MushroomWig

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] The question isn't supposed to be asked in the first place because it is nobodies business. The sentence 'if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' is a very old mental trick. The person stating it always has things to hide, and demands that you don't, because you are 'lesser'. Hence the word 'fear'.racer8dan

Here is a little bit about the device in question:

Cellebrite UFED system Real time mobile forensics

The Cellebrite UFED Forensic System is the ultimate standalone mobile forensic device, ready for use out in the field or in the lab.

The UFED system extracts vital information from 95% of all cellular phones on the market today, including smartphones and PDA devices (Palm OS, Microsoft, Blackberry, Symbian, iPhone, and Google Android). Simple to use even in the field with no PC required, the UFED can easily store hundreds of phonebooks and content items onto an SD card or USB flash drive.

Cellebrite UFED supports all known cellular device interfaces, including serial, USB, infrared, and Bluetooth. Extractions can then be brought back to the forensic lab for review and verification using the reporting/analysis tool. Cellebrite works exclusively with most major carriers worldwide including Verizon Wireless, AT&T, Sprint/Nextel, T-Mobile, Rogers Wireless - Canada, Orange France and Telstra Australia, as well as 140 others. This ensures that future devices are supported prior to retail launch.

SECURE EXTRACTION, COMPLETE CONTENT

The UFED allows you to extract a wide variety of data types including:

• Contacts
• SMS text messages
• Deleted text messages (SIM/USIM)
• Call history (Received, Dialed, Missed)
• Audio
• Video
• Pictures and images
• Ringtones
• Phone details (IMEI / ESN, phone number)

REPORTING CAPABILITIES

The Cellebrite UFED system comes complete with a user-friendly PC reporting and analysis software application. Concise, easy to analyze report logs can be generated in HTML, XLS, CSV, and XML formats, providing organized print-outs for use as a reference and in the courtroom.

PROVEN, USER-FRIENDLY INTERFACE

The Cellebrite UFED system is extremely user friendly, with an intuitive interface that has been proven and field tested for over 11 years with hundreds of thousands of users.

YellowOneKinobi

While I'm not typically a fan of the ACLU, this time I have to give them credit. I can't think of anything that is incriminating on my phone (and no off-color photographs either). However, I have to admit the thought that being pulled over for a broken tail light and having my entire phone scanned creeps me out a little. Any thoughts?

Link to article HERE

From the Article:

A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.

"Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags," a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities. "The Physical Analyzer allows visualization of both existing and deleted locations on Google Earth. In addition, location information from GPS devices and image geotags can be mapped on Google Maps."

The ACLU is concerned that these powerful capabilities are being quietly used to bypass Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches

YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] I just think it'll create more problems by refusing. If someone of the law requests to look at something then it doesn't look good if you refuse, it just makes you look guilty of something. So much easier (and quicker) to just them look and move on.MushroomWig

It saddens me that people appear to give up their rights so willingly.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]Which is exactly the mindset they want the people to have.

YellowOneKinobi

It saddens me that people appear to give up their rights so willingly.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="Buttons1990"]2) Teenage idiots who have nude pics of their also teenage boy or girlfriend (child porn)WhiteKnight77

Ask the kids who have been busted for it already and have been given sex offender status.

Teen Nabbed For Naked MySpace Photos

News Flash: Teens Arrested For Sexting

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Don't have illegal **** on your phone, problem solved.

Or better yet, don't break the law, problem solved before you ever even encounter police.

I love when everyone is up in arms about things the police do... You don't like it, move to Mexico, gtfo out of our country then.

Buttons1990

And? I could care less if the police look at what is on my phone... What are they going to do? Steal my videos? Sell my information to telemarketers? Come on? Really? The only people who have a problem with this are 1) Idiots who overreact about everything. 2) Teenage idiots who have nude pics of their also teenage boy or girlfriend (child porn). 3) Idiots with illegal/illicit images/information on their phones...

Did you even read the article?

""""With certain exceptions that do not apply here, a search cannot occur without a warrant in which a judicial officer determines that there is probable cause to believe that the search will yield evidence of criminal activity...."""

You people are acting like they just pull up and with no cause at all rip everything off your phone... No, they don't do that... You people are all insane.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Oh you've got to be kidding me, how the hell can it be considered child porn if you're not even considered an adult? Talk about grasping at straws. xD xDMushroomWig

Ask the kids who have been busted for it already and have been given sex offender status.

Teen Nabbed For Naked MySpace Photos

News Flash: Teens Arrested For Sexting

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] I just think it'll create more problems by refusing. If someone of the law requests to look at something then it doesn't look good if you refuse, it just makes you look guilty of something. So much easier (and quicker) to just them look and move on.MushroomWig

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Ask the kids who have been busted for it already and have been given sex offender status.

Teen Nabbed For Naked MySpace Photos

News Flash: Teens Arrested For Sexting

DroidPhysX

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Ask the kids who have been busted for it already and have been given sex offender status.

Teen Nabbed For Naked MySpace Photos

News Flash: Teens Arrested For Sexting

DroidPhysX

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] That's just stupid, only in America...amiright?MushroomWig

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] That's just stupid, only in America...amiright?KungfuKitten

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] So what you're saying is teenagers have no right to explore their sexuality with their girlfriends/boyfriends if they're not together?MushroomWig

No cop will EVER touch my cell phone.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Teenagers these days are so addicted to technology that they forget whats legal and whats illegal. Teens feel a sense of self-entitlement and its growing into arrogance. Look at me, i sound old.

DroidPhysX

No cop will EVER touch my cell phone.

Dawq902

I would have a few...ahem, risque properties on my phone. Nothing illegal just....I would prefer if a cop (or anyone for that matter) didn't look through it >.>

[QUOTE="Dawq902"]

No cop will EVER touch my cell phone.

MushroomWig

Don't have illegal **** on your phone, problem solved.

Or better yet, don't break the law, problem solved before you ever even encounter police.

I love when everyone is up in arms about things the police do... You don't like it, move to Mexico, gtfo out of our country then.

Buttons1990

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="Dawq902"]

No cop will EVER touch my cell phone.

gameguy6700

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Ask the kids who have been busted for it already and have been given sex offender status.

Teen Nabbed For Naked MySpace Photos

News Flash: Teens Arrested For Sexting

MushroomWig

No, not stupid. I actually agree with it. Kids have no idea what can happen once a pic of them gets sent to someone else. There are many stories of kids getting busted for child porn as they posted the pics on Facebook, Myspace or other places or sent it on to other people which in turns gets sent on to even others. Girls run on emotion in a relationship. Guys don't. Guys play on that to get said pictures and when something happens, those pics are posted by the pissed off ex. Neither are thinking about right or wrong, but getting busted for child porn is a wake up call. Kids want rights (and do have some), but they fail to take the responsibility that goes with said right.

Should child porn laws take into account someones age? No. There is no need. Kids should know right from wrong and that pictures of someone that is underage is illegal.

if it's a routines traffic stop then all you have to say is "i do not consent to any searches." and then, "am i free to go or am i being detained?".

at that point the police either have to let you go, give you the ticket or place you under arrest.

any promises to go easy on you if you cooperate are lies.

when i am stopped i do not consent for a pile of reasons, your property can be damaged and by consenting and you have no legal recourse for fixingdamage, the previous owner of the car or your friends could have left something there, my personal views about what i allow the state to do to me.

refusing consent also sets up some legal defenses that you never get by voluntarily giving up your rights.

p.s. always be polite and helpful.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="Dawq902"]

No cop will EVER touch my cell phone.

gameguy6700

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] See now I think you've got something to hide.MushroomWig

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"] Right, because if someone doesn't want their entire private life exposed they obviously have something to hide. Why not make it so that everyone has to have their home searched by the police once every month, at random? If you've got nothing to hide then there's really no reason to be against it. Hey, why don't we just install cameras in every room of people's houses and make it illegal to tamper with them? I mean, you've got nothing to hide, right?racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Fine by me, if there's a chance that it would stop crime then it's worth it.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"] Right, because if someone doesn't want their entire private life exposed they obviously have something to hide. Why not make it so that everyone has to have their home searched by the police once every month, at random? If you've got nothing to hide then there's really no reason to be against it. Hey, why don't we just install cameras in every room of people's houses and make it illegal to tamper with them? I mean, you've got nothing to hide, right?racer8dan

Geez -- between this news and learning that Your iphone Is Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been I am starting to get really creeped out...

Don't have illegal **** on your phone, problem solved.

Or better yet, don't break the law, problem solved before you ever even encounter police.

I love when everyone is up in arms about things the police do... You don't like it, move to Mexico, gtfo out of our country then.

Buttons1990

The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.foxhound_fox

That's some creepy f***ing s***.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.foxhound_fox

"Quick, use the device so we can get the address to where little Jimmy is being held!"

"We can't.....foxhound_fox doesn't want us to use it"

"...damn."

You killed little Jimmy, I hope you're happy!

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.MushroomWig

"Quick, use the device so we can get the address to where little Jimmy is being held!"

"We can't.....foxhound_fox doesn't want us to use it"

"...damn."

You killed little Jimmy, I hope you're happy!

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
O_O

Not something anyone should be capable of wielding. Ever.

This goes beyond "invasion of privacy."

KungfuKitten

"Quick, use the device so we can get the address to where little Jimmy is being held!"

"We can't.....foxhound_fox doesn't want us to use it"

"...damn."

You killed little Jimmy, I hope you're happy!

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Really? So what about in a situation where you need the information to save someones life?

"Quick, use the device so we can get the address to where little Jimmy is being held!"

"We can't.....foxhound_fox doesn't want us to use it"

"...damn."

You killed little Jimmy, I hope you're happy!

MushroomWig

It should most definitely be illegal to search through someones phone for a traffic stop.