3 people have voted for 'fascism'... reveal yourselves.Marx_BrotherShouldn't there be an Anarchist option in that poll as well?
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3 people have voted for 'fascism'... reveal yourselves.Marx_BrotherShouldn't there be an Anarchist option in that poll as well?
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_edIt requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen. Well, so does every other government that I know of, to a very large degree. Some more than others.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_edIt requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen. pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....
I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnexThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_edThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. no government means anarchy
[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....yoshi-lnexIt requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen. pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history..... Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system.
[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...delolThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. no government means anarchy It sure does but wouldn't it be wonderful?
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_edIt requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen. pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history..... Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system. Why would one idle person destroy the system? There are millions in ours, and it somehow operates anyway.
[QUOTE="b1gb0y"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.1ND1FF3R3NT
One question, simply why?
Because both socialism and communism promote equality of results rather than equality of opportunity, and the idea is that all decisions should be made for the good of the community (hence "communism"), and all resrouces should be used for improving society (hence "socialism"). It sounds ok in theory, but it deprives individuals of being able to hold and advocate their own beliefs. It ends up harshly penalizing those who make money and rewarding those who do nothing, so that each person achieves the same results. The poor will have no reason to work because they are getting free income, and the rich will have no desire to work because their income is being taken from them. This inevitably leads to the downfall of society.
And in addition to that, it is our duty as American citizens to vote based on what WE believe and want as individuals, for ourselves. Socialism and communism directly contradict that.
That is why people support the right wing, rather than the left wing.
How does an economic system stop people from having opinions? Last time I checked, in a properly built socialism or communism, you do not get money if you are not willing to work.If anything, it's right wing ideology that seaks to remove individual opinion, far right wing countrys often dealing with decent, in brutal ways hitler anyone) severly cutting back on social freedoms, and allowing the rich to abuse there power and basically turn the general population into slaves.
It's right wing ideologys that take away freedom from the general population.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_edIt requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen. pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history..... Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system. that's why we have things built into the system to stop that from occuring.....
[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_edThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. no government means anarchy It sure does but wouldn't it be wonderful? sure did if humans were angels
[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....quiglythegreatIt requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen. pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history..... Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system. Why would one idle person destroy the system? There are millions in ours, and it somehow operates anyway. Do you live under communism?
I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnexSocialist what? Marx-Lenin? Or more Social Democracy?
[QUOTE="1ND1FF3R3NT"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.yoshi-lnex
One question, simply why?
Because both socialism and communism promote equality of results rather than equality of opportunity, and the idea is that all decisions should be made for the good of the community (hence "communism"), and all resrouces should be used for improving society (hence "socialism"). It sounds ok in theory, but it deprives individuals of being able to hold and advocate their own beliefs. It ends up harshly penalizing those who make money and rewarding those who do nothing, so that each person achieves the same results. The poor will have no reason to work because they are getting free income, and the rich will have no desire to work because their income is being taken from them. This inevitably leads to the downfall of society.
And in addition to that, it is our duty as American citizens to vote based on what WE believe and want as individuals, for ourselves. Socialism and communism directly contradict that.
That is why people support the right wing, rather than the left wing.
How does an economic system stop people from having opinions? Last time I checked, in a properly built socialism or communism, you do not get money if you are not willing to work.If anything, it's right wing ideology that seaks to remove individual opinion, far right wing countrys often dealing with decent, in brutal ways hitler anyone) severly cutting back on social freedoms, and allowing the rich to abuse there power and basically turn the general population into slaves.
It's right wing ideologys that take away freedom from the general population.
Um, i think you mis read. I said the lefties want oto control your money. Those on the right want to control your mind.[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_edThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...LukeAF24Socialist what? Marx-Lenin? Or more Social Democracy? somewhere in between......
[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnexThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well. Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.
I teach Right Wing Politics, although I am more near the center the falling off the right edge.LukeAF24Where do you teach at? I'm hesitant to classify myself. I would say that populism would be closest. I'm more interested in protecting the blue collar working Americans than multinational corporations. However, I'm usually fairly conservative when it comes to foreign policy, national defense, homeland security, military, and since those are some of my greater political concerns I tend to lean right. And finally, I tend to be somewhat libertarian when it comes to social issues (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc.), live and let live.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_edThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well. Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave. Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people.
[QUOTE="LukeAF24"]I teach Right Wing Politics, although I am more near the center the falling off the right edge.bt_the_great_78Where do you teach at? Currently I'm an Asst. Proff. at UW. Once I have my PhD, and get published, I should have an easy time dropping off the Asst., or so they tell me.
[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...quiglythegreatThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well. Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave. Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people. No you're not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.
[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"]I teach Right Wing Politics, although I am more near the center the falling off the right edge.LukeAF24Where do you teach at? Currently I'm an Asst. Proff. at UW. Once I have my PhD, and get published, I should have an easy time dropping off the Asst., or so they tell me. Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_edThe greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave. Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well. Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave. Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people. No you're not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.
Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?bt_the_great_78I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.sped_ed...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election? Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that. Hence....socialism.....
[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?LukeAF24I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America. I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, not saying the United States sucks, not calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right.
[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?bt_the_great_78I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America. I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, saying the United States sucks, calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right. The Left is permeated with morons, just as much as the Right, and I am kind of one of those leftist morons. But anyway, Luke, that sounds like a great occupation you've gotten yourself in.
The Left is permeated with morons, just as much as the Right, and I am kind of one of those leftist morons. But anyway, Luke, that sounds like a great occupation you've gotten yourself in.quiglythegreatHonestly, I think it's more of a stage than anything else. Most people in college are just part of that crowd mentality, checking off that inevitable little rebellion against parents, the institution, and country, during their first exposure to politics. Most people don't think about it practically until their well into their career.
[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?bt_the_great_78I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America. I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, not saying the United States sucks, not calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right. I'm sure the consensus is unanimous. :roll:
I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, not saying the United States sucks, not calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right.bt_the_great_78I can imagine. I teach 3 classes, that one being the most "extreme", yet the most interesting. Having to talk about ideas people just don't want to hear is somewhat fulfilling.
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