Politics - Where are you on the spectrum?

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.sped_ed

Wow, you really like to throw blanket statements out there and make everything black and white. Just because governments have wars and kill thousands make them bad? Millions would die on a daily basis without government.

[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.Tolwan

Wow, you really like to throw blanket statements out there and make everything black and white. Just because governments have wars and kill thousands make them bad? Millions would die on a daily basis without government.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.b1gb0y

One question, simply why?

Maybe he just means that socialsim gets corrupted too easily. Most of the examples in the world have failed or failed the people. Very few of them actually empower the people of the country - rather a small select party comes to power.

Socialsim works in small settings such as communes, but runs into trouble when applied to larger populations.

Quite wrong, if you look at strong left wing countries in Scandinavia such as Norway, that nationalised (run under the government) the oil industry and they do great for themselves, also most of the countries after WW2 have a socialist attitude for 2 reasons:

1)Everyone had to work hard together to get through the situation and found that a society works best together and for each other, even under such conditions.

2) It provides a more stable economy that isn't run by constantly panicking stock holders who can screw the world in one day, economically wise, which will have extreme knock on effects.

Overall you will find most countries that have spent a long time under socialist rule, live in a stable and relatively happy environment.

Cuba, North Korea, the former soviet union, China pre economic reform, vietnam, most of eastern europe, etc.  All of those countries had horrible standards of living.  Compare south to north korea and west and east germany.  Socialism didn't work well there. 

You may be a big fan, but just like capitalism, it has major drawbacks.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.Greatgone12

One question, simply why?

Maybe he just means that socialsim gets corrupted too easily. Most of the examples in the world have failed or failed the people. Very few of them actually empower the people of the country - rather a small select party comes to power.

Socialsim works in small settings such as communes, but runs into trouble when applied to larger populations.

I say most not all.  Scandanavian countries only account for a small percentage of the worlds current or former socialist governments.  Look at the majority of socialist/communistic countries.  Who benefits?  No one.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.sonicare

One question, simply why?

Maybe he just means that socialsim gets corrupted too easily. Most of the examples in the world have failed or failed the people. Very few of them actually empower the people of the country - rather a small select party comes to power.

Socialsim works in small settings such as communes, but runs into trouble when applied to larger populations.

Quite wrong, if you look at strong left wing countries in Scandinavia such as Norway, that nationalised (run under the government) the oil industry and they do great for themselves, also most of the countries after WW2 have a socialist attitude for 2 reasons:

1)Everyone had to work hard together to get through the situation and found that a society works best together and for each other, even under such conditions.

2) It provides a more stable economy that isn't run by constantly panicking stock holders who can screw the world in one day, economically wise, which will have extreme knock on effects.

Overall you will find most countries that have spent a long time under socialist rule, live in a stable and relatively happy environment.

Cuba, North Korea, the former soviet union, China pre economic reform, vietnam, most of eastern europe, etc.  All of those countries had horrible standards of living.  Compare south to north korea and west and east germany.  Socialism didn't work well there. 

You may be a big fan, but just like capitalism, it has major drawbacks.

The only countrys that would come close to socialisms today would be countrys like vietnam and a few countrys in Europe....

[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.sonicare

One question, simply why?

Maybe he just means that socialsim gets corrupted too easily. Most of the examples in the world have failed or failed the people. Very few of them actually empower the people of the country - rather a small select party comes to power.

Socialsim works in small settings such as communes, but runs into trouble when applied to larger populations.

I say most not all.  Scandanavian countries only account for a small percentage of the worlds current or former socialist governments.  Look at the majority of socialist/communistic countries.  Who benefits?  No one.

They may not be true socialist countries, but that just goes along with my point.  They were founded under the principles of socialsim but that became corrupted and the people oppressed.

I think capitalism has many pitfalls and large faults.  I'm just saying that for all you young and naive people that believe socialsim is utopia, it's got just as many faults.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.yoshi-lnex

One question, simply why?

Maybe he just means that socialsim gets corrupted too easily. Most of the examples in the world have failed or failed the people. Very few of them actually empower the people of the country - rather a small select party comes to power.

Socialsim works in small settings such as communes, but runs into trouble when applied to larger populations.

I say most not all.  Scandanavian countries only account for a small percentage of the worlds current or former socialist governments.  Look at the majority of socialist/communistic countries.  Who benefits?  No one.

Is that before or after they had to build walls to keep their citizens and the common workers from fleeing the country?  Do you remember that the east germans used to execute their citizens that tried to flee to west berlin?

EDIT - and in most of those countries, the poor are still poor with just as low of a standard of living.  Compare east and west germany prior to the fall of communism.  East and west europe for that matter.  The standard of living for the common citizen was better in the west than in the east despite the flaws of the systems.

I am a constitutionalist........ no category applies to me. Communism, Capitalism, and Socialism were all engineered by different societies within the Illuminati. For example, Marx was a freemason..... this is evident in multiple pictures where he has his hand tucked inside his jacket a specific way..... its just like the handshake that all world leaders use, which you can see if you look up is a freemasonic symbol.proctorsurf

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]I am a constitutionalist........ no category applies to me. Communism, Capitalism, and Socialism were all engineered by different societies within the Illuminati. For example, Marx was a freemason..... this is evident in multiple pictures where he has his hand tucked inside his jacket a specific way..... its just like the handshake that all world leaders use, which you can see if you look up is a freemasonic symbol.DisturbedOne436

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] The Left is permeated with morons, just as much as the Right, and I am kind of one of those leftist morons. But anyway, Luke, that sounds like a great occupation you've gotten yourself in.bt_the_great_78

Left Wing (Socialist): Main industries to be under government, services such as travel/Health is cheap/free respectively, high taxes, strong on trade unions(workers rights) very high employment, it believes that people are only made criminals because of the situation they are in, so will be lenient on crime, however will try to "nip in the bud" or rehab.b1gb0y

Agreed.  Anarchy is complete lack of laws.  Basically, only the strong survive.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Agreed.  Anarchy is complete lack of laws.  Basically, only the strong survive.EboyLOL

yes.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="sonicare"]Agreed.  Anarchy is complete lack of laws.  Basically, only the strong survive.sonicare

yes.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.b1gb0y

One question, simply why?

Maybe he just means that socialsim gets corrupted too easily. Most of the examples in the world have failed or failed the people. Very few of them actually empower the people of the country - rather a small select party comes to power.

Socialsim works in small settings such as communes, but runs into trouble when applied to larger populations.

Quite wrong, if you look at strong left wing countries in Scandinavia such as Norway, that nationalised (run under the government) the oil industry and they do great for themselves, also most of the countries after WW2 have a socialist attitude for 2 reasons:

1)Everyone had to work hard together to get through the situation and found that a society works best together and for each other, even under such conditions.

2) It provides a more stable economy that isn't run by constantly panicking stock holders who can screw the world in one day, economically wise, which will have extreme knock on effects.

Overall you will find most countries that have spent a long time under socialist rule, live in a stable and relatively happy environment.

Agreed. Anarchy is complete lack of laws. Basically, only the strong survive.sonicare

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[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.yoshi-lnex

One question, simply why?

Because both socialism and communism promote equality of results rather than equality of opportunity, and the idea is that all decisions should be made for the good of the community (hence "communism"), and all resrouces should be used for improving society (hence "socialism"). It sounds ok in theory, but it deprives individuals of being able to hold and advocate their own beliefs. It ends up harshly penalizing those who make money and rewarding those who do nothing, so that each person achieves the same results. The poor will have no reason to work because they are getting free income, and the rich will have no desire to work because their income is being taken from them. This inevitably leads to the downfall of society.

And in addition to that, it is our duty as American citizens to vote based on what WE believe and want as individuals, for ourselves. Socialism and communism directly contradict that.

That is why people support the right wing, rather than the left wing.

If anything, it's right wing ideology that seaks to remove individual opinion, far right wing countrys often dealing with decent, in brutal ways hitler anyone) severly cutting back on social freedoms, and allowing the rich to abuse there power and basically turn the general population into slaves.

It's right wing ideologys that take away freedom from the general population.

[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnex