the why Hilarious Clinton's supporter always physically attack trump campaign and behaving like uneducated people??
Poll says Trump most popular among least-educated Whites
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Trumpeters afraid of the truth.
Trumpism is now a thing.
@bmanva said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@raugutcon said:
Your kind of people JimB ( rednecks, inbreds and the KKK ), if it weren´t for liberals blacks would still sit in the back of the bus.
Modern liberals did little for the civil right movement, they are successful in taking credit for the ground work lay by Republicans and black civil right leaders for the century before mid 1960s. Hell, MLK jr was a baptist minister, religious figures aren't typically who you would associate with modern liberals.
Lots of non Conservative religious people.....
To me, religious implies the individual adherent to the established doctrine respective to their religious institution. It's not the same as being spiritual; I believe you can be liberal and spiritual, but liberal and religious is by definition an oxymoron of those terms. With traditional religions and modern liberalism, there's an inevitable clash of ideologies which one's choice in the face of that conflict will determine whether they are a liberal or religious first and foremost. Here's a good example: do you think MLK jr was pro-choice or pro-life?
Jesus was clearly a liberal hippy. his main focus was the poor. Which group, liberal or conservative, does that remind you most of? Long hair and a beard. Peace loving. Doesn't remind me of a typical republican one bit. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man has as much chance of going to heaven as a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
MLK would have never voted Republican and we all know it. King called for universal health care and education, as well as a radical redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, It is disgusting the way the right tries to warp Maltin Luther king and use him to their advantage. Stick with Reagan or Rush Limbaugh.
@bmanva said:
Modern liberals did little for the civil right movement, they are successful in taking credit for the ground work lay by Republicans and black civil right leaders for the century before mid 1960s. Hell, MLK jr was a baptist minister, religious figures aren't typically who you would associate with modern liberals.
Republicans in those days were liberals though. What point are you trying to make here? MLK Jr. is absolutely associated with liberals particularly black ones. Some very strange historical revisionism by you but then again that's par for the course.
@Aljosa23 said:
@bmanva said:
Modern liberals did little for the civil right movement, they are successful in taking credit for the ground work lay by Republicans and black civil right leaders for the century before mid 1960s. Hell, MLK jr was a baptist minister, religious figures aren't typically who you would associate with modern liberals.
Republicans in those days were liberals though. What point are you trying to make here? MLK Jr. is absolutely associated with liberals particularly black ones. Some very strange historical revisionism by you but then again that's par for the course.
No, it's not the same. There's classical liberalism and modern liberalism, two very different set of ideologies. The founding fathers and Republicans in the 19th century and for half of the 20th century were classical liberals, while the general term liberals is almost always used for modern liberals. It's why I made the clear distinction between the two in my post. Classical liberalism is based on the principle of liberty of the individual. On the issue of property rights, economic freedom and right to self defense, modern liberalism clearly hold an opposing view from a classical liberal. And how is MLK jr a liberal when he was a staunch pro-life, believed that homosexual lifestyle was a choice (combined with the fact of his religious affiliation; it's reasonable to assume he's anti-gay marriage), and supporter of second amendment right?
It's rather ridiculous you would accuse anyone of historical revisionism when it's obvious you lack the grasp of historical facts. It's akin to a blind man administering a color blind test.
@mark1974 said:
@bmanva said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@raugutcon said:
Your kind of people JimB ( rednecks, inbreds and the KKK ), if it weren´t for liberals blacks would still sit in the back of the bus.
Modern liberals did little for the civil right movement, they are successful in taking credit for the ground work lay by Republicans and black civil right leaders for the century before mid 1960s. Hell, MLK jr was a baptist minister, religious figures aren't typically who you would associate with modern liberals.
Lots of non Conservative religious people.....
To me, religious implies the individual adherent to the established doctrine respective to their religious institution. It's not the same as being spiritual; I believe you can be liberal and spiritual, but liberal and religious is by definition an oxymoron of those terms. With traditional religions and modern liberalism, there's an inevitable clash of ideologies which one's choice in the face of that conflict will determine whether they are a liberal or religious first and foremost. Here's a good example: do you think MLK jr was pro-choice or pro-life?
Jesus was clearly a liberal hippy. his main focus was the poor. Which group, liberal or conservative, does that remind you most of? Long hair and a beard. Peace loving. Doesn't remind me of a typical republican one bit. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man has as much chance of going to heaven as a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
MLK would have never voted Republican and we all know it. King called for universal health care and education, as well as a radical redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, It is disgusting the way the right tries to warp Maltin Luther king and use him to their advantage. Stick with Reagan or Rush Limbaugh.
Last I checked, Jesus is pro life. He didn't promote a system of wealth redistribution that run by a government of men. In fact, the bible states that if a man didn't work, he shouldn't eat. I'm guessing Jesus and god (who supposedly wrote the bible) is on the same page here. Jesus also didn't approve of homosexuality. He was pious and devoted his life in spreading Christianity.
MLK jr didn't vote for Democrats neither. You realize that saying MLK jr was NOT a modern liberal is not the same as saying he was modern conservative. I never said anything about MLK jr being a modern Republican. I even agree to some degree that they tried to claim him as one of their own (but both sides are guilty of that).
@bmanva said:
No, it's not the same. There's classical liberalism and modern liberalism, two very different set of ideologies. The founding fathers and Republicans in the 19th century and for half of the 20th century were classical liberals, while the general term liberals is almost always used for modern liberals. It's why I made the clear distinction between the two in my post. Classical liberalism is based on the principle of liberty of the individual. On the issue of property rights, economic freedom and right to self defense, modern liberalism clearly hold an opposing view from a classical liberal. And how is MLK jr a liberal when he was a staunch pro-life, believed that homosexual lifestyle was a choice (combined with the fact of his religious affiliation; it's reasonable to assume he's anti-gay marriage), and supporter of second amendment right?
It's rather ridiculous you would accuse anyone of historical revisionism when it's obvious you lack the grasp of historical facts. It's akin to a blind man administering a color blind test.
lmao the only prominent Republican in those days that was a classical liberal was Barry Goldwater. The overall theme of it was limited government. The Civil Rights Act, from their perspective, was government intervention into private citizens and strict laws and rules with regards to housing laws, business and consumer laws, voting rights, and countless other areas that any vanilla classical liberal would interpret as Big Government overreach into the lives of the common man and be against it. Classical liberals also believe in states' rights.
It's also quite funny and really uninformed that you lump all Founding Fathers as classical liberals when that is not true at all - really bizarre that people believe that group was completely unified and agreed on everything. They were well divided with regards to ideology on every single issue. You should have learned this in day one of US History but I guess not.
I never claimed Martin Luther King Jr. was perfect, did I? The point is he is remembered as an icon for his positive contributions to society like helping the Civil Rights movement. Just like Gandhi is honoured for what he did despite being a giant racist. It's not black and white like you believe it to be.
Sigh...
Liberalism is NOT an ideology, but a set of ideologies. It encompasses humanism, environmentalism, secularism, anti-corporatism and egalatarianism.
The same can be said for conservativism, which includes traditionalism, nationalism, religion, small government, and a belief in strong security.
These are not ideolgies but more like camps if anything. Things are not in black and white and the fact that they are camps rather than a unifying ideology is why you can find such strong disagreements in btoh camps. Authoritarianism and populism both transend borders and in this election alone we saw populism in both camps, through trump and sanders. And in this election, the authoritarian strongman was Trump.
Edit: Lol,
MLK was pro gun rights, and pro-life, but that wasnt exactly a big priority of his. And the guy who was essentially his mentor, was openly gay. His stance on LGBT issues was a product of his time, and at the time were actually very moderate.
The fact is, he more than anything preached egalatarianism, be it through racial equality and social justice as well as socialism.
"I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic"
"There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism"
@bmanva said:
@mark1974 said:
Jesus was clearly a liberal hippy. his main focus was the poor. Which group, liberal or conservative, does that remind you most of? Long hair and a beard. Peace loving. Doesn't remind me of a typical republican one bit. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man has as much chance of going to heaven as a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
MLK would have never voted Republican and we all know it. King called for universal health care and education, as well as a radical redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, It is disgusting the way the right tries to warp Maltin Luther king and use him to their advantage. Stick with Reagan or Rush Limbaugh.
Last I checked, Jesus is pro life. He didn't promote a system of wealth redistribution that run by a government of men. In fact, the bible states that if a man didn't work, he shouldn't eat. I'm guessing Jesus and god (who supposedly wrote the bible) is on the same page here. Jesus also didn't approve of homosexuality. He was pious and devoted his life in spreading Christianity.
MLK jr didn't vote for Democrats neither. You realize that saying MLK jr was NOT a modern liberal is not the same as saying he was modern conservative. I never said anything about MLK jr being a modern Republican. I even agree to some degree that they tried to claim him as one of their own (but both sides are guilty of that).
Yeah which means He wouldn't be a Republican what with their joy at the death penalty and all. Actually Jesus pretty much didn't say anything against homosexuals. Other than married couples sex was considered a big no. So gay sex is equal to two heterosexuals not married engaging in sex.
MLK Jr was critical of both parties. That includes your believed Republicans.
@hippiesanta said:
the why Hilarious Clinton's supporter always physically attack trump campaign and behaving like uneducated people??
many liberals are showing that they themselves are the ones who are really the most hateful, self righteous hypocrites, they think their crap doesn't stink but their farts keep giving them away...as seen in threads like this.
@Maroxad said:
Sigh...
Liberalism is NOT an ideology, but a set of ideologies. It encompasses humanism, environmentalism, secularism, anti-corporatism and egalatarianism.
This isn't really true, bro. "Liberalism" in the context of American politics and how bmanva is using it (modern liberalism) is an ideology called social liberalism that tries to strike a balance between liberty and social justice.
@raugutcon said:
@JimB said:
@AFBrat77 said:
Well, he has strong backing from rednecks, inbreds, and the KKK
These are very people that allow for the existence of liberals. If it weren't for them the liberals would become extinct as they can't do anything for themselves. Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit, Wisdom is knowing you don't put it in a fruit salad. It is the wisdom that liberals lack.
Your kind of people JimB ( rednecks, inbreds and the KKK ), if it weren´t for liberals blacks would still sit in the back of the bus.
since when have the KKK even been relevant?, as for inbreds and rednecks, that's just a straight up racist stereotype, nice goin with the anti racist tolerance you liberals are supposedly all about
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@mark1974 said:
Jesus was clearly a liberal hippy. his main focus was the poor. Which group, liberal or conservative, does that remind you most of? Long hair and a beard. Peace loving. Doesn't remind me of a typical republican one bit. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man has as much chance of going to heaven as a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
MLK would have never voted Republican and we all know it. King called for universal health care and education, as well as a radical redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, It is disgusting the way the right tries to warp Maltin Luther king and use him to their advantage. Stick with Reagan or Rush Limbaugh.
Last I checked, Jesus is pro life. He didn't promote a system of wealth redistribution that run by a government of men. In fact, the bible states that if a man didn't work, he shouldn't eat. I'm guessing Jesus and god (who supposedly wrote the bible) is on the same page here. Jesus also didn't approve of homosexuality. He was pious and devoted his life in spreading Christianity.
MLK jr didn't vote for Democrats neither. You realize that saying MLK jr was NOT a modern liberal is not the same as saying he was modern conservative. I never said anything about MLK jr being a modern Republican. I even agree to some degree that they tried to claim him as one of their own (but both sides are guilty of that).
Yeah which means He wouldn't be a Republican what with their joy at the death penalty and all. Actually Jesus pretty much didn't say anything against homosexuals. Other than married couples sex was considered a big no. So gay sex is equal to two heterosexuals not married engaging in sex.
MLK Jr was critical of both parties. That includes your believed Republicans.
*facepalm* reread my post, specifically the second paragraph.
@mark1974 said:
@bmanva said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@raugutcon said:
Your kind of people JimB ( rednecks, inbreds and the KKK ), if it weren´t for liberals blacks would still sit in the back of the bus.
Modern liberals did little for the civil right movement, they are successful in taking credit for the ground work lay by Republicans and black civil right leaders for the century before mid 1960s. Hell, MLK jr was a baptist minister, religious figures aren't typically who you would associate with modern liberals.
Lots of non Conservative religious people.....
To me, religious implies the individual adherent to the established doctrine respective to their religious institution. It's not the same as being spiritual; I believe you can be liberal and spiritual, but liberal and religious is by definition an oxymoron of those terms. With traditional religions and modern liberalism, there's an inevitable clash of ideologies which one's choice in the face of that conflict will determine whether they are a liberal or religious first and foremost. Here's a good example: do you think MLK jr was pro-choice or pro-life?
Jesus was clearly a liberal hippy. his main focus was the poor. Which group, liberal or conservative, does that remind you most of? Long hair and a beard. Peace loving. Doesn't remind me of a typical republican one bit. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man has as much chance of going to heaven as a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
MLK would have never voted Republican and we all know it. King called for universal health care and education, as well as a radical redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, It is disgusting the way the right tries to warp Maltin Luther king and use him to their advantage. Stick with Reagan or Rush Limbaugh.
Martin Luther King was a Republican. He switched to Democrat when Robert Kennedy asAttorney General of the United States got him released of jail.
@JimB said:
@mark1974 said:
Jesus was clearly a liberal hippy. his main focus was the poor. Which group, liberal or conservative, does that remind you most of? Long hair and a beard. Peace loving. Doesn't remind me of a typical republican one bit. The meek shall inherit the earth. A rich man has as much chance of going to heaven as a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
MLK would have never voted Republican and we all know it. King called for universal health care and education, as well as a radical redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, It is disgusting the way the right tries to warp Maltin Luther king and use him to their advantage. Stick with Reagan or Rush Limbaugh.
Martin Luther King was a Republican. He switched to Democrat when Robert Kennedy asAttorney General of the United States got him released of jail.
Yet again you are lying and spouting garbage that's easily verifiable. MLK Jr. NEVER identified with a political party and when it came to voting, he voted Democrat.
It's amazing how everything you post JimB is just utter trash and lies. Much like Donald Trump.
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jan/25/philip-van-cleave/van-cleave-wongly-says-martin-luther-king-jr-was-r/
@Aljosa23 said:
@Maroxad said:
Sigh...
Liberalism is NOT an ideology, but a set of ideologies. It encompasses humanism, environmentalism, secularism, anti-corporatism and egalatarianism.
This isn't really true, bro. "Liberalism" in the context of American politics and how bmanva is using it (modern liberalism) is an ideology called social liberalism that tries to strike a balance between liberty and social justice.
Maybe social liberalism is, but left wing politics isnt.
But MLK was DEFINATELY a Social Liberal. No denying that.
Lol, American Stinker.
And the article is saying the complete opposite of what is happening too. America is emrbacing the so called Washington politics. The establishment is getting more and more power, and social liberalism is on the rise. And that is not changing soon.
Which of course brings me back to this
Maroxad's Law: Those who claim to hold the 'truth' or some other objective criteria, while failing to back up their claims. Are almost certain to be entirely wrong.
@JimB said:
@93BlackHawk93 said:
Trumpeters afraid of the truth.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/alien_retreat_the_rise_of_the_deplorables.html
Read some truth in this article.
lmao
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