Pope Francis: Children are never a mistake

I'll never refer to my stepson as an accident. Even though that's the honest, blunt description of how he was conceived. I don't think it's a very nice way of describing it. I mean, it's a person you're talking to. Saying they're an accident isn't exactly a self esteem boost. Makes it sound like you never wanted them and that they're a burden by existing.

Yes, that's a much better way to go about it.

No one's saying you should refer to them as such. People have names. Still, like you said, the blunt truth is the blunt truth, and denying it is pointless even if it's not brought up often.

I really couldn't care less what the pope has to say about anything.

I don't hate him at all, I think he's quite an alright guy. But that doesn't make him any less irrelevant.

Okay, just dismiss then :P Irrelevant how, though?

He represents a fairytale. I don't feel the need to give him any attention.

yeah... never ever ever ever are they a mistake.

http://listverse.com/2013/08/18/10-young-people-who-murdered-their-parents/

http://crime.about.com/od/juvenile/tp/child-killers.htm

"Such an act, though thought uncommon, is almost a daily event in the United States."

"Between 1977 and 1986, more than 300 parents were killed each year by their own children."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/why-kids-kill-parents

y'know, i really don't expect the pope to say anything intelligent but at least he could keep from saying flat out stupid shit.

yes you do.

he is the head of one of the most consistently corrupt organizations in all of history.

you need to watch him like a hawk.

The religion of the Hebrews does not match with modern stories for children or happy stories. I am not sure when people started associating Christianity, a story in part about a man who was tortured and crucified, with stories for children or happy stories. Perhaps that is just me not noticing something, but it seems incorrect.

No, you need to watch the organization like a hawk. He's the guy trying to cleanse it, so good for him. Treating him like a villain just because of his religion and position with no regards to what he's like as a person, and as a Pope (which is almost exclusively good) is just ignorant.

if you associate with villains, thieves, rapists, and genocidal maniacs i have no sympathy for you.

the catholic church should be indicted for crimes against humanity.

it has been nothing but a putrid nest of vipers for the last 2000 years.

Let's not forget that the Pope lives in a majestic castle and worships a man who took a vow of poverty and condemned similar types of religious organizations in his time for being corrupt.

lol. tbo i do feel a bit bad for catholics.

they are all on the sidelines screaming "damn! we finally got a guy that is not an ex-nazi who fingers toddlers while fucking his mom! is that not enough???"

Guys, not liking the pope is ok, not liking Christianity is ok but try not to go too far on the insults, especially since this wasn't a thread to discuss religion, it was about what a man (who happens to be the pope) said and the thread is straying from that into religion bashing again; we already have plenty of those threads =) Think of the children! =P

I meant to include this in my original post, but I forgot to so here it is now: Francis comments in this weeks general audience remind me a lot of what Benedict XVI said in his homily for the Mass of the inauguration of his Petrine Ministry: " Each of us is the result of a thought of God. each of us is willed, each of us is loved, each of us is necessary."

Even the accidents? :O

Still have to disagree. Yet still think the Pope is a good person.

The Pope didn't build said castle for himself, and just like that dude who took a vow of poverty, the Pope condems the Vatican for its corrupt nature over the past... well... centuries. Of course it's not enough that he isn't just a villain like Benedict was, but the Pope is a lot more than just "not a villain". He's a person who sees his religion as a way of helping people in their lives and giving them hope (and it really does give them hope, hence the high correlation between poverty and religion), and laments that the organization of said religion is a corrupt and backwards one. He wants to change that, which is extremely difficult, even for a person in his position.

So yeah, I completely understand the hate towards the Catholic Church, but against the current Pope? Dunno I can't see why.

So can we all now agree to stop giving thegerg so much shit? Because, like, he's usually technically correct. yet, people here give him shit all the time for "missing the point" or "focusing too much on semantics and technicalities." To the point that people here STILL give him shit and continue to argue with him even when he's clearly technically right.

And I really hate bringing up the dude's name when he's not here. Maybe I crossed a line, and if so then I apologize to him because he really seems like a pretty good dude and I like his posts. But I bring him up for a reason: it's funny how freaking SELECTIVE people are about when it's okay to adhere to "technically correct, and **** all else." The ONLY potentially legitimate complaint that anyone is bringing to the table here is that saying that many children are mistakes is technically factually true. And hey, if being technically factually correct absolutely is all that matters, then can we at least be a little bit consistent about that?

No offense, your dad is really mean. My dad loves me most, inspite i'm not even a good son or love him like he loves me.

@ianhh6: Especially the accidents =D

@MrGeezer: Glad I'm not the only one who sees that in Greg =) It's too bad that people are only accepting of things when they are to their benefit...

@indzman: But that what a father is supposed to be. I'm happy that you have a good father; you deserve one!

Yup, i'm lucky to've such a loving father. I mean you no sadness tho, i'm very happy you found a loving wifey in place of father :)

@indzman: I know; like I said on another post in this thread, I don't have any negative feelings towards him, although I also don't have a whole lot of positive ones. He's dead anyway, so no point hating the guy now...

True, my condolences to your dad. Your moms alive? How's she to you if you don't mind me asking. My mom was great too, loved me very much but died on 2007 :(

@indzman: Thank you and my condolences to you as well. Yes, my mother is still alive and I do care for her, but she was more abusive than my father still. While my father was neglectful and physically abusive, my mother was physically and mentally abusive...did a complete brainwash on both my sister and I and under the guise of wanting the best for us she managed to isolate us from the rest of the world and at a point, from each other...she never thinks of what's best for us but what suits her better...she enjoys being a puppeteer.

I'm so sorry to hear about your parents Mr K. I'm glad you did all right for yourself , made own family inspite coming from abusive parents. Most kids gets spoiled for abusive parents. Anyways i won't ask you more about it since you must not be feeling comfortable discussing your family life. All i will say , it was all for better as you will give your own kids the love you never got, your kids will find a great parent in you :)

@indzman: Not at all, I'm not ashamed of the life I had and often enough when I speak of my childhood it helps people see that there were some good things about their childhood that they didn't realise was possible not to have so I don't mind speaking of it. Not sure if TC would appreciate his thread turning into a "travel into the mind of Korvus" mini-series though =P

"Travel into mind of Korvus mini series" ... Alliecrombie gonna be very interested in watching the series lol.

Do not disagree. However teaching people to have safe sex would be better idea I think.

Isn't a re-occurring thing in the more Christian areas that protection, be it condoms or birth pills, are hard to come by, however they do not stop people from having sex before marriage.

Happy mistakes?

@horgen: "happy mistake" or "happy accident" is usually the case. To recognise the fact that the child wasn't planned doesn't mean there's any less love for the child, and I imagine most accidental parents end up happy with the child they have. There's no reason for "mistake" to be interpreted at an insult, unless of course the tone implies it, in which case it also implies "unwanted".

Edit: by unwanted I rather meant "unloved" or "uncared for". Earlier by unwanted I meant "not intended".

I got the difference. In my experience. When people have a a child by mistake, but still loves it, they tend not to use the word "mistake". Rather they say something ala the stork showed up early. When they hate the child and wants it out of their lives, they use the word mistake.

This is my experience though.

@horgen: Well that makes sense; I mean, if it were me, I'd want to sugarcoat the truth, and try to make it as little of a deal as possible, I'm just arguing that the use of the word "mistake" isn't derogative, like the terms the above user so bluntly used, and much less a political (of all things) incorrectness.

He is right you know, I woudn´t call the Catholic church a harborer of pedophiles because there´s millions of priests and monks who are not so it´s not like the Catholic church saying: "if you are a pedophile come and join us" but I do say the Catholic church is guilty for not punishing and expelling it´s members that exhibit such behavior, for example, one of the most important institutions associated to the CC are Christ´s Legionnaires, founded and run by Maciel Marcial Degollado which turned out to be a very well known pedophile, and why the Church didn´t do anything about him ? ----> Maciel contributed $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$´s to the accounts of the church, here in Mexico there´s a joke associated to the institution, instead of being called Christ´s Legionnaires they are called Christ´s BILLIONAIRES.

Yep, in most cases mistake signifies something that you shouldn't have done or regret doing. By definition mistake is "an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong." An accident on the other hand is something that was unplanned and even though the word is used mostly for a negative outcome of an unexpected occurrence it can also be used positively, so I can see how a "happy accident" can happen, but not a "happy mistake".

It sure is a blessing when a rapist impregnates a girl....

@darkmark91 said:

It sure is a blessing when a rapist impregnates a girl....

It's a gift from God.

Derogative or not its anything but positive and conducive to care to associate a human life with such terms. A baby is not the property of his parents, although as his progenitors and legal guardians they have a certain entitlement to his tutelage in so far as they are willing and fitting. They are but one person of interest in the life they brought to the whole world. Just because they didn't intend to bring him into the world doesn't make him any less or any more wanted by the world at large.

I'm confident that if any of those using the terms were originally regarded by their biological parents as unwanted and a mistake they'd have a different take on the matter; they'd be emphasizing the sovereignty and the sanctity of a life much more assertively.

More nice sentiments from the pope, big deal. Let me know when he (or the catholic church) actually does something with their vast stores of wealth.

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@GazaAli: It looks like you're being successful in streamlining your replies. Well done my friend =D

@magicalclick: Personally I love it; thanks to Greg I'm a lot more careful to think before I open my mouth and try never to make any half-assed arguments which is never a bad thing.

Of course I'm not disagreeing. I wouldn't be so tactless with someone I love. I was just countering the bitching about liberals. I found that pretty stupid...

Edit: I didn't realise that was you :P

@magicalclick: If you wish you can suggest that to our community manager =)

Is that why the Catholic church, until just a few years ago, hid unwed mothers in forced labor services?

The Catholic Church is so hypocritical it's disgusting.

I think it's far worse to bring a child into this world when you don't have the means to take care of it.

I disagree, adoption is always an option. Better to have lived and died than to have never lived at all.

Are we talking about not conceiving them or getting rid of them before they're born?

When a fetus isn't capable of having such feelings, I don't think it matters.

I think it's much more humane to terminate a pregnancy when something isn't capable of thought than to give it away for adoption or try and raise it without the means to do so effectively.