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Not everyone was happy with President Barack Obama's nod to nonbelievers and non-Christians in his inaugural address. And some of the stiff criticism about Obama's religious inclusiveness is coming from African-American Christians who maintain that no, all faiths were actually not created equal. "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness," the new president said. "We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this earth," he also said. Nothing too controversial, proclaiming that America's strength lies in its diversity. But between those two statements, the new president got specific: "We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers."

By mentioning, for the first time in an inaugural address, the 16.1 percent of Americans who check "no"' when asked about religion, Obama turned it into the most controversial line in his speech -- praised by The New York Times editorial board and cited by some Christians as evidence that he is a heretic, and in his well-spoken way, a serious threat.

With that one line, the president "seems to be trying to redefine American culture, which is distinctively Christian," said' Bishop E.W. Jackson of the Exodus Faith Ministries in Chesapeake, Va. "The overwhelming majority of Americans identify as Christians, and what disturbs me is that he seems to be trying to redefine who we are.'"

Yet Obama crossed the line, in his view, in suggesting that all faiths (and none) were different roads to the same destination: "He made similar remarks in the campaign, and said, 'We are no longer a Christian nation,if we ever were. We are a Jewish, Hindu and non-believing nation.'"

http://news.aol.com/article/obamas-nonbeliever-nod-unsettles-some/316339

Thoughts? ME personally, im am not really bothered by what he said and understand what he is saying. But I also she how many christains are upset by what he said.

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#3 UnrighteousFury
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Sounds like the Bishop is the one trying to define who people are.

As someone who's fairly religious, I didn't see a problem with the speech. There's nothing untrue about what he said.

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#4 Tauruslink
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So Christians are upset that the president acknowledges atheists? That's stupid.
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#5 cyberdarkkid
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I see nothing wrong with that.
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#6 Senor_Kami
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Bigots are mad at him... that means he's doing something right.
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#7 Theokhoth
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Exodus Faith Ministries? Isn't that the same group of nuts that applies therapy to homosexuals?

Obama was right. I don't see how this could possibly qualify him for heresy; who even says that? Of all the things I expected this topic to say that pissed off a bunch of Christians (homosexuality, abortion, stem cells, the Democratic Party, etc etc) I never, ever saw this trivial crap coming.

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#8 LosDaddie
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What Obama said was 100% true.

That Bishop seems stuck in the "Culture WAr" mentality and needs to move on.

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#9 Vandalvideo
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To Christians: You do not own this country. -Vandalvideo
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#10 danwallacefan
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNFCTSfm1cs

If you read from Obama's church's newsletter, its clear that they espouse race-centered theology. Barack Obama IS a heretic, and as Christians we need to pray for his conversion and that God would grant President Obama repentance.

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#11 Darth-Caedus
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These people really need to get over themselves...
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#12 Ring_of_fire
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Saying that the US has non-believers is far better than Bush Sr. (Supposedly) calling atheists un-American and cannot be patriots
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#13 LosDaddie
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So Christians are upset that the president acknowledges atheists? That's stupid.Tauruslink

Like I said earlier, it's the "Culture War" mentality where (some) Christians feel the need to play the Victim Card at any perceived slight.

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#14 JML897
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But I also she how many christains are upset by what he said.

Tjeremiah1988

How so? :?

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#15 Omni-Wrath
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WoW just wow. Obama is 100 % correct. This is supposed to be freedom for all. Not Freedom to just Christians.
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... You've got to be kidding me.
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It's a real shame that the most intollerant Christians are always the most vocal...
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#18 Tjeremiah1988
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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

But I also she how many christains are upset by what he said.

JML897

How so? :?

because he said all lead to the same path and saying we are no longer a christian nation (which is true, the nation part) but then he saids "if we ever were. We are a Jewish, Hindu and non-believing nation". What is that suppose to mean?
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Oy... this guy is living in the wrong century.

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The whole "all faiths (and none) are different roads to the same destination" idea that is steadily spreading is just more proof to me that we live in the end times.
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Do these idiots forget why our ancestors left Europe to come here and create a new country?
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[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

But I also she how many christains are upset by what he said.

Tjeremiah1988

How so? :?

because he said all lead to the same path and saying we are no longer a christian nation (which is true) but then he saids "if we ever were. We are a Jewish, Hindu and non-believing nation". What is that suppose to mean?

That we are a multi-cultural nation full of beliefs.

The whole "lead to the same path" thing is disputable, but not worthy of the title of heresy.

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[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

But I also she how many christains are upset by what he said.

Tjeremiah1988

How so? :?

because he said all lead to the same path and saying we are no longer a christian nation (which is true) but then he saids "if we ever were. We are a Jewish, Hindu and non-believing nation". What is that suppose to mean?

no, he is saying that we are a nation who has people that believe in judaism, hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and there are who don't believe in religion. Don't see any problem with that
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as a christian i have to say.... /facepalm at some of my fellow Christians...
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The whole "all faiths (and none) are different roads to the same destination" idea that is steadily spreading is just more proof to me that we live in the end times.Huell_Howser

Or Obama was implying no matter your ethnicyt or religion you are Amercana and that we are all united.

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He's recognizing the diversity of the nation and that it's not only christians. oh noez
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Bigots are mad at him... that means he's doing something right.Senor_Kami
*High five* Nah, I'm glad to finally see some decent separation of church and state.
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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="JML897"]

How so? :?

Ring_of_fire
because he said all lead to the same path and saying we are no longer a christian nation (which is true) but then he saids "if we ever were. We are a Jewish, Hindu and non-believing nation". What is that suppose to mean?

no, he is saying that we are a nation who has people that believe in judaism, hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and there are who don't believe in religion. Don't see any problem with that

I understand that but he goes onto say "if we ever were". I dont get it :(
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Yay @ Obama

Boo @ Redneck christian trash.

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Ugh. I don't even have words for this.
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[QUOTE="Huell_Howser"]The whole "all faiths (and none) are different roads to the same destination" idea that is steadily spreading is just more proof to me that we live in the end times.Omni-Wrath

Or Obama was implying no matter your ethnicyt or religion you are Amercana and that we are all united.

Teh Horror :cry:

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In the end, these are just words. I'm waiting to see if his actions will become hostile to Christians.
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The whole "all faiths (and none) are different roads to the same destination" idea that is steadily spreading is just more proof to me that we live in the end times.Huell_Howser
if he orders all americans to implant rfid chips (aka mark of the beast) into their heads and if not they will be denied their rights then yes, it will get me thinking :?
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In the end, these are just words. I'm waiting to see if his actions will become hostile to Christians. mysterylobster

You'll be waiting a long time then. :)

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i wish we will one day live in a nonreligious nation, i mean god.. we are the only nation that cares what religion the president is.. i wish obama is a secret satanist just so religous people can cry about it.
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In the end, these are just words. I'm waiting to see if his actions will become hostile to Christians. mysterylobster

He is a Christian genius. Not to mention why would he become hostile of the 93% population of America. You know if you don't like Obama get out of this country. I mean you loved Bush so it mucst mean you hate America since all Bush did was damage America.

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i wish we will one day live in a nonreligious nation, i mean god.. we are the only nation that cares what religion the president is.. i wish obama is a secret satanist just so religous people can cry about it.nimatoad2000

Why? Why can we all just be diffrent ethnicties?

It shows America no matter the diffrences can be more united then people with all of the same ethnicties. And if Obama was a satanish he would get killed. U.S Oath was on the bible. Most of the U.S govement is on the bible not to mention satanist are the enmys of Judaism, Islam and Christianity so that would be bad.

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[QUOTE="Huell_Howser"]The whole "all faiths (and none) are different roads to the same destination" idea that is steadily spreading is just more proof to me that we live in the end times.Tjeremiah1988
if he orders all americans to implant rfid chips (aka mark of the beast) into their heads and if not they will be denied their rights then yes, it will get me thinking :?

I really doubt he will be able to do something thsi big in 4-8 years. You have to be a fool to belive this.

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i wish we will one day live in a nonreligious nation, i mean god.. we are the only nation that cares what religion the president is.. i wish obama is a secret satanist just so religous people can cry about it.nimatoad2000
in god we trust
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]In the end, these are just words. I'm waiting to see if his actions will become hostile to Christians. LosDaddie

You'll be waiting a long time then. :)

My sweat starts showing when the subject of FOCA comes up. That would probably be the most hostile thing he could do right now.

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:| Yeah, it's not like we were founded on the belief of freedom of religion...
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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Huell_Howser"]The whole "all faiths (and none) are different roads to the same destination" idea that is steadily spreading is just more proof to me that we live in the end times.Omni-Wrath

if he orders all americans to implant rfid chips (aka mark of the beast) into their heads and if not they will be denied their rights then yes, it will get me thinking :?

I really doubt he will be able to do something thsi big in 4-8 years. You have to be a fool to belive this.

a fool to think it? no.
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You know if you don't like Obama get out of this country.

Omni-Wrath

That's not very patriotic. The people aren't required to like their President.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

You know if you don't like Obama get out of this country.

Theokhoth

That's not very patriotic. The people aren't required to like their President.

I for one am glad I live in a country where dissent is not only allowed, but encouraged.
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These people need to kill themselves.Immortalica
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#46 Omni-Wrath
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[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

You know if you don't like Obama get out of this country.

Theokhoth

That's not very patriotic. The people aren't required to like their President.

He bashes Obama is every thread. Hates his president. We are not more united becasue of People like him. I am way more Patriotic then him.

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#47 gameguy6700
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Wow, that's beyond stupid that people are getting upset over that line. Even if they were afraid that Obama was somehow anti-religious you would think that the two (2) inaugural speeches given by protestant Christian leaders would be enough to convince them otherwise. If anything I thought that Obama's inauguration crossed the line with the amount of religion it included since it was inundated with protestant Christianity with no hint of any other religious views much less other forms of Christianity like Catholicism.
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Acknowledging that other religions exist in the USA? The bastard :|
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#49 aliblabla2007
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Oh noes! He knows that Atheists and Agnostics exist! He knows that America isn't only for believers! Antichrist! :o