i do not agress with it, or that arkansas passed ban on gay couples adopting.. wtf.
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[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
[QUOTE="stevenk4k5"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.How many times must people tell you that being gay is not a choice. Why would anyone choose to be hated, put down, beaten, and slandered?
Being gay is a choice, and you act like everyone is against gays, in the end it is a choice regardless of the consequences of that choice, like any choice in the world.Yep, I remember the day I choose to be straight? Do you?
*Facepalm*
This is the ignorance that guy was talking about.
Gays don't choose to be gay they're born attracted to the same sex. No choice.
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. links136
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or native amercians or women went through.[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or native amercians or women went through.Yes they are. They are being denied the right to get married.
[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or women went through.they're not being afforded the same rights a married ( be it religious or secular ) couple is afforded.. figgin' arkansas is so homophobic they will not even allow gay couples to adopt. so there's another right taken away.
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="stevenk4k5"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. links136
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.How many times must people tell you that being gay is not a choice. Why would anyone choose to be hated, put down, beaten, and slandered?
Being gay is a choice, and you act like everyone is against gays, in the end it is a choice regardless of the consequences of that choice, like any choice in the world.Yep, I remember the day I choose to be straight? Do you?
*Facepalm*
This is the ignorance that guy was talking about.
Gays don't choose to be gay they're born attracted to the same sex. No choice.
Now you are calling me ignorant just because you believe in a certain way different then me now? in the end its a choice bud.[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. links136
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or native amercians or women went through.Yes they are. They are being denied the right to get married.
Marriage wasn't created the with the intention being it between a man and a man and a woman and a woman.[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or native amercians or women went through.Yes they are. They are being denied the right to get married.
Marriage wasn't created the with the intention being it between a man and a man and a woman and a woman.Sex isn't intended to have condoms or birth control.
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. comp_atkins
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or women went through.they're not being afforded the same rights a married ( be it religious or secular ) couple is afforded.. figgin' arkansas is so homophobic they will not even allow gay couples to adopt. so there's another right taken away.
Different states are different and this is why you vote.[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. links136
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or native amercians or women went through.Yes they are. They are being denied the right to get married.
Marriage wasn't created the with the intention being it between a man and a man and a woman and a woman.Sex isn't intended to have condoms or birth control.
Sex was with the intention of being between 1 man 1 woman.[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or women went through.they're not being afforded the same rights a married ( be it religious or secular ) couple is afforded.. figgin' arkansas is so homophobic they will not even allow gay couples to adopt. so there's another right taken away.
Different states are different and this is why you vote.and why a constitution was created.
[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. Santesyu
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.They are born different. Thats why they're gay Doesn't mean they should be treated different.
Like, you know blacks having different washrooms, or women not being allowed to vote, or native americans not being able to learn their own culture.
They are not born different, "human beings" are born the same way like everyone else, you still can not compare that to race or what that race went through. Because homosexuality is not a race. And besides that unlike the women, gays are not having there freedoms revoked unlike what blacks or native amercians or women went through.Yes they are. They are being denied the right to get married.
Marriage wasn't created the with the intention being it between a man and a man and a woman and a woman.Sex isn't intended to have condoms or birth control.
Sex was with the intention of being between 1 man 1 woman.without condoms or birth control
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="stevenk4k5"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Elraptor"]I was surprised to see something like that pass in CA. It would have been one of the last states I'd expect to do so. links136
can you really allow all this unconstitutional hate to go unbanned? It IS discrimination against a minority.
What hate?against gays for being gay Or thinking gays should be denied rights for being born different.
Well first all hate is bad, second, I don't see how prop8 is "banning" gay rights when they tried to do something that was made with the intention of being between a man and a woman. Thirdly I wouldn't say being born different, its not like being born a certain color, in this situation this is a choice.How many times must people tell you that being gay is not a choice. Why would anyone choose to be hated, put down, beaten, and slandered?
Being gay is a choice, and you act like everyone is against gays, in the end it is a choice regardless of the consequences of that choice, like any choice in the world.Yep, I remember the day I choose to be straight? Do you?
*Facepalm*
This is the ignorance that guy was talking about.
Gays don't choose to be gay they're born attracted to the same sex. No choice.
Now you are calling me ignorant just because you believe in a certain way different then me now? in the end its a choice bud.I believe that all people should be treated EQUAL:x
I'm calling you ignorant because of the fact you think gays CHOOSE to be gay.
becuase they do? and nice insults bud.[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... links136
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
We have equal rights here too! For everyone that is completely normal.[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... Santesyu
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Even when its against what your great country was founded on.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... links136
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
We have equal rights here too! For everyone that is completely normal.:roll:
I wasn't saying I agreed with it :lol:[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... Jandurin
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
We have equal rights here too! For everyone that is completely normal.:roll:
I wasn't saying I agreed with it :lol:touche
[QUOTE="dracula_16"]So much for land of the free.cousin_eddy
Indeed.
exactly.
I dont agree with it, but people were free to decide and vote on the subject and the majority of the people got their way.
no matter, this is California and it will get overturned again.
God, I've been so misunderstood in this thread. :PJandurin
Lol when I saw that post, I thought to myself, "Here comes the seriousness." :P
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... links136
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Even when its against what your great country was founded on.
well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... Santesyu
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Even when its against what your great country was founded on.
well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.even when its against what your great country was founded on.
[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... Santesyu
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Even when its against what your great country was founded on.
well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.once upon a time it was between a white man and a white woman. An argument from tradition isn't a convincing one.well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.SantesyuActually, part of the greatness is its adaptability and that we don't have to keep thinking of things one way because they've always been that way. Believe me, by the time my kids are getting married, they'll be marry in a same-sex situation. This I believe.
To all the gays: move to The netherlands. I just cannot believe how incredibly stupid the US is concerning gay rights. It's just sad that some people deny homosexuals the same rights as they have...and don't even feel bad about it. The inclusion of a gay marriage doesn't change anything that has to do with heterosexual marriage, nothing! It's just that homosexuals also get some security, why can't they have it? What do heterosexual people lose when a homosexual couple gets married? Oh and another thing, keep the bible out of this, because marriage has NOTHING to do with religion. Because atheists can marry too, there's no church needed to get married. The only thing is to make the bond official and to get some security. Now what is wrong with that? Here in The Netherlands we have gay marriage since 2000 and there are no problems whatsoever, why can't the US see this?TheFlush
Or Canada.
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... links136
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Even when its against what your great country was founded on.
well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.even when its against what your great country was founded on.
buddy don't get mad becuase prop 8 was passed and then turn around and say it goes against what my country stood for.[QUOTE="Santesyu"]well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.JandurinActually, part of the greatness is its adaptability and that we don't have to keep thinking of things one way because they've always been that way. Believe me, by the time my kids are getting married, they'll be marry in a same-sex situation. This I believe. This is only to the ones who actually believe homosexuality is good on the other hand.
To all the gays: move to The netherlands. I just cannot believe how incredibly stupid the US is concerning gay rights. It's just sad that some people deny homosexuals the same rights as they have...and don't even feel bad about it. The inclusion of a gay marriage doesn't change anything that has to do with heterosexual marriage, nothing! It's just that homosexuals also get some security, why can't they have it? What do heterosexual people lose when a homosexual couple gets married? Oh and another thing, keep the bible out of this, because marriage has NOTHING to do with religion. Because atheists can marry too, there's no church needed to get married. The only thing is to make the bond official and to get some security. Now what is wrong with that? Here in The Netherlands we have gay marriage since 2000 and there are no problems whatsoever, why can't the US see this?TheFlush
I agree. The US is always playing catch up when it comes to human rights....
[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]This is messed up... Santesyu
Makes me glad I live in Canada, where you know, everybody has equal rights.
Makes me proud I live in the good old USA where the people can voice in the votes and the people have spoken :)Even when its against what your great country was founded on.
well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.even when its against what your great country was founded on.
buddy don't get mad becuase prop 8 was passed and then turn around and say it goes against what my country stood for.But its against what your great country was founded on. How do you think slavery turned? Because Lincoln realized that slavery is against what your great country was founded on, regardless that nobody *believed* that way.
This is only to the ones who actually believe homosexuality is good on the other hand.SantesyuI don't understand.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Santesyu"]well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.SantesyuActually, part of the greatness is its adaptability and that we don't have to keep thinking of things one way because they've always been that way. Believe me, by the time my kids are getting married, they'll be marry in a same-sex situation. This I believe. This is only to the ones who actually believe homosexuality is good on the other hand. Forcing homosexuals to live either closeted or engage in a fake heterosexual relationship.....yeah, that's the solution. You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.
[QUOTE="Santesyu"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Santesyu"]well I know what it is against changing something that was between one man and one woman into something completely different.TheFlushActually, part of the greatness is its adaptability and that we don't have to keep thinking of things one way because they've always been that way. Believe me, by the time my kids are getting married, they'll be marry in a same-sex situation. This I believe. This is only to the ones who actually believe homosexuality is good on the other hand. Forcing homosexuals to live either closeted or engage in a fake heterosexual relationship.....yeah, that's the solution. You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.To be free to do whatever you want, and to force something to bend to your will is completely different dont you think?
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