Question about Islam.

How is premarital sex treated in Islam? For example: muslim boy moves to united states, has sex with girl in his teenage years. How do you think an Islamic clergyman would look at that? Is it a major sin or one that is considered minor? Just curious.

Not sure about the exact consequences, but like the other Abrahamic religions it is definitely frowned upon

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Anyway, although I'm not sure, I believe Islam forbids premarital sex.

I think region is more important in this than anything. Generally it's not seen as bad for a man to have had sex before marriage compared to a girl. Obviously as a guy you could always just lie about having had sex. Not like they can prove it through examination.Ace6301

I was more wondering about what the religon itself says about than different countries ect.

"Spiritually" if you will.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I think region is more important in this than anything. Generally it's not seen as bad for a man to have had sex before marriage compared to a girl. Obviously as a guy you could always just lie about having had sex. Not like they can prove it through examination.StarFire571

I was more wondering about what the religon itself says about than different countries ect.

"Spiritually" if you will.

I think region is more important in this than anything. Generally it's not seen as bad for a man to have had sex before marriage compared to a girl. Obviously as a guy you could always just lie about having had sex. Not like they can prove it through examination.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I think region is more important in this than anything. Generally it's not seen as bad for a man to have had sex before marriage compared to a girl. Obviously as a guy you could always just lie about having had sex. Not like they can prove it through examination.hydralisk86

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]I think region is more important in this than anything. Generally it's not seen as bad for a man to have had sex before marriage compared to a girl. Obviously as a guy you could always just lie about having had sex. Not like they can prove it through examination.Ace6301

You get raped by Sheikhs as punishment.Da_Truth5

Are you seriously dude?

[QUOTE="Da_Truth5"]You get raped by Sheikhs as punishment.super600

Are you seriously dude?

You get to go to heaven and play World of Warcraft with 71 other bros. Happy ending

How is premarital sex treated in Islam? For example: muslim boy moves to united states, has sex with girl in his teenage years. How do you think an Islamic clergyman would look at that? Is it a major sin or one that is considered minor? Just curious.

StarFire571

Islam is not a country. It depends on the society/country. weezyfb

Pre-marital sex is considered sinful in Islam, unless you're forced into it. Surah 24:33 of the Qur'an says "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace..". I'm pretty sure that not every sexual sin is a major sin. For example, the Qur'an says to "lower your gaze", but once in a while, you come across a billboard or magazine cover [with an illicit image] that you had no idea was there. My guess is that fornication does fall into the category of a major sin, but take that with a grain of salt because I'm no scholar.

Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. Rhazakna

That's not true at all. Christianity and Judaism both celebrate sex-- read the Song of Solomon. All three religions have set rules in regard to sex, though. How you can see that as a fear of sex, I have no idea. It's like saying that jewish, christian and islamic food laws are the result of a fear of food.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. dracula_16

That's not true at all. Christianity and Judaism both celebrate sex-- read the Song of Solomon. All three religions have set rules in regard to sex, though. How you can see that as a fear of sex, I have no idea. It's like saying that jewish, christian and islamic food laws are the result of a fear of food.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. dracula_16

That's not true at all. Christianity and Judaism both celebrate sex-- read the Song of Solomon. All three religions have set rules in regard to sex, though. How you can see that as a fear of sex, I have no idea. It's like saying that jewish, christian and islamic food laws are the result of a fear of food.

When those rules arbitrarily say certain aspects of sexuality are sinful and evil, that is a fear reaction. Sex is only "celebrated" in a very narrow context, and only certain kinds of sex. Any religion that thinks masturbation is a sin fears human sexuality.

Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. Rhazakna

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. ghoklebutter

That's not true at all. Christianity and Judaism both celebrate sex-- read the Song of Solomon. All three religions have set rules in regard to sex, though. How you can see that as a fear of sex, I have no idea. It's like saying that jewish, christian and islamic food laws are the result of a fear of food.

Modesty is suppression-- I'm not saying otherwise. However, it's suppression that's necessary for our society and our relationship with God. I suspect if we're honest with ourselves, we can admit that suppression is not always bad. There are strict modesty codes because we live in a world that's full of exploitation and lust. Our world can learn a lot from Islam, and not just in the area of modesty.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. m25105

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. Rhazakna

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. Rhazakna

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

Islam favors strict sex segregation and modesty codes for men and women. If that isn't a manifestation of sexual repression, I don't know what is.

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[QUOTE="m25105"] That's why Muslims have so many kids. m25105

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

What's desired and what's allowed are two very different things, obviously. Do you deny that Islam forbids non-procreational outside of marriage?

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Like many religions, Islam has a creepy fear of human sexuality, and seeks to suppress it. Nuck81

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

Uh, yeah I did know that. That has literally nothing to do with what I said.

Islam favors strict sex segregation and modesty codes for men and women. If that isn't a manifestation of sexual repression, I don't know what is.

Islam favors strict sex segregation and modesty codes for men and women. If that isn't a manifestation of sexual repression, I don't know what is.

Islam favors strict sex segregation and modesty codes for men and women. If that isn't a manifestation of sexual repression, I don't know what is.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Of course I have, but your argument is merely an instance of the tu quoque fallacy. Try harder next time.ghoklebutter

I would be surprised if he even knows what the word "fallacy" means. He seems to think that if you say f*ck in a post it invalidates your argument. Clealry not someone to take seriously.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

Rhazakna

What's desired and what's allowed are two very different things, obviously. Do you deny that Islam forbids non-procreational outside of marriage?

I think region is more important in this than anything. Generally it's not seen as bad for a man to have had sex before marriage compared to a girl. Obviously as a guy you could always just lie about having had sex. Not like they can prove it through examination.Ace6301

How is premarital sex treated in Islam? For example: muslim boy moves to united states, has sex with girl in his teenage years. How do you think an Islamic clergyman would look at that? Is it a major sin or one that is considered minor? Just curious.

StarFire571

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] So it's ok for Christianity but not for Islam? Ok Got it... :roll:Nuck81

I think he is...

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Um, it's bad for both. Anyway, don't you understand what the tu quoque fallacy is?RationalAtheist

I think he is...

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] I know exactly what it is. It's the "And you too" argument. However you can't criticize one without criticizing the other as well....Nuck81

I think he is...

Why not you too?

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] That's why Muslims have so many kids. Nuck81

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

The fact that Muslims oppose contraception might have something to do with that. In many Islamic countries, birth control is flat-out illegal.

It's true that Muslims don't have a problem with sex if it's to procreate, though. That's usually the position of the anti-sex religion. Sex is sinful, unless it produces more people to buy into the religion.

LJS9502_basic

Here are a few quotes from the article...

"Holy father's message was clear – there is no change in policy. The church will continue to believe that the indiscriminate use of condoms encourages promiscuity and aggravates the situation."

"The Catholic ban on the use of condoms, or any other device, for contraceptive purposes remains. One of the pope's most senior officials, Cardinal Rino Fisichella, told the press conference condoms were "intrinsically an evil"."

The popular Catholic blogger, Father Tim Finigan, acknowledged that there had been a shift, but warned: "I must offer a reaction of my own to the holy father's comments on Aids and condoms. It would be along the lines of Sergeant Wilson in Dad's Army: 'Do you think that's wise, sir?' We know that the widespread distribution of condoms to tackle the problem of HIV/Aids has not worked in practice."

So yeah, Condom use in high risk areas for HIV is considered a "less of two evils" but it is still disparaged. Honestly do you do ANY research before you try to correct someone?

premarital sex in no no no no no no in islamMAZ85