[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] That is an extraordinary red herring.FranklinsteinI'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone. Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.No thanks.
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] That is an extraordinary red herring.FranklinsteinI'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone. Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.No thanks.
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Who gets to judge who the bad person is? On what basis would a person become bad enough in your eyes to kill?Dylan_11A felon.So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die? Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.
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So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die? Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] A felon.BattleTurtles
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What gives any human being the right to judge in a controlled situation who lives and who dies?
So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die? Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] A felon.BattleTurtles
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what if they are wrongly accused of murder?So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die? Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] A felon.BattleTurtles
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So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.No thanks. Frost never indicated whether different actually turned out to be better. In fact, he was very clear that he had no set meaning on the poem at all.[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] I'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone.BattleTurtles
Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.No thanks. Well, don't ask for mercy, when you choose the tough road.[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] I'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone.BattleTurtles
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die?Dylan_11
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So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs? So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs? So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence.edit: Self Defense is different however.
BattleTurtles
[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.
edit: Self Defense is different however.
BattleTurtles
So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?
So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?
Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]
So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?
Franklinstein
So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?
Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.
Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time?So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence. Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?Dylan_11
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]
So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?
Franklinstein
So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?
Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.
Show me the statistics of people wrongly accused of murder(are you the one who brought that up? can't remember)[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence. Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand.[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?BattleTurtles
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]
So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?
xaos
Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.
Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time? Lol... I'm guessing this is sarcasm? But oh yeah, escaped convicts are EVERYWHERE!!!!11[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence.Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand. I'm afraid I'm not following.Dylan_11
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time? Lol... I'm guessing this is sarcasm? But oh yeah, escaped convicts are EVERYWHERE!!!!11 [spoiler] Heavy, heavy, heavy sarcasm, or irony, or whatever [/spoiler]Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.
Franklinstein
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]
So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?
BattleTurtles
Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.
Show me the statistics of people wrongly accused of murder(are you the one who brought that up? can't remember) I wasn't the one who brought it up, but it is still a valid point, and I'll gladly show you the statistics(because I back up arguments with facts, not silly unsupported ideas) http://www.caught.net/innoc.htmAs a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand. I'm afraid I'm not following. Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.BattleTurtles
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]I'm afraid I'm not following. Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed? I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand.Franklinstein
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So you also agree with murder?Dylan_11Depends.This is where our argument started. We did not begin talking about the penal system nor the ways convicts should be handled. We were talking about you. So if this is some way of you dodging this argument then that's fine with me. As I stated above, if I had to murder I would. And if I should accept the consequences, so be it.
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]I'm afraid I'm not following.
BattleTurtles
Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?
I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.
So, you disagree with the constitution, and the founding fathers, and the framers, and the general ideas that America were built upon?
[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]
Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?
Franklinstein
I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.
So, you disagree with the constitution, and the founding fathers, and the framers, and the general ideas that America were built upon?
You're saying that like it's a bad thing.Ill say once and ill say it again, just bomb the hell out of the Middle East and be done with it. (not a US Citizen) walkingdreamEven though 98% of the people aren't terrorists?
[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]
I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.
BattleTurtles
So, you disagree with the constitution, and the founding fathers, and the framers, and the general ideas that America were built upon?
You're saying that like it's a bad thing. If you are American, it's at least problematic.Why does this guy live in New York again? Isn't he a social reject by now with all the odium he dishes out?
A Muslim extremist who earlier warned that TV's "South Park" creators should be "afraid for their lives" for insulting Islam's prophet Muhammad now says that yesterday's car bomb attempt in Times Square will be just the beginning of a new wave of terrorist attacks.
Younus Abdullah Muhammad, author of RevolutionMuslim.com, told WND senior reporter Aaron Klein on New York's WABC Radio that America should "absolutely" expect more jihadi violence in New York City.
When asked if the Times Square attack was specifically aimed at the offices of nearby Viacom, which owns the "South Park" series, Abdullah Muhammad deflected the question to condemn U.S. foreign policy instead.
"It was a retaliation for what your government is doing overseas," Abdullah Muhammad said. "If you want to continue killing civilians, then you're going to get many incidents that resemble what happened yesterday."
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Click the link for an the audio interview as well as more of the article.
So what do you think about this? Expected or surprised? Do you believe a new wave of terrorist attacks is incoming on New York or is this guy simply trying to stir up a storm?
These people are wussies... come bring your army and fight us..... o wait they have nothing but empty threats... well they arent a nation. they are scattered individuals so they dont have an armyI actually watched a video on revolutionmuslim.com yesterday. OMG they just make up bs to get people to join. They said the US was #1 country in the world in rate of rape, murder, incest, alcholism, drug use, homosexuality, prostitution, and violence towards women. **** liars.
It also really pissed me off when he said 9/11 attacks were a good thing. I freaking hate that site.
hedden93
Again, why does he live in New York? And violence towards women? I think it was Saudi Arabia where two motawas (religious policemen) sent sixteen girls back into their burning school because they weren't dressed properly, not the US. I also think that punishing a woman for being raped is also an attribute of Saudi Arabia (and perhaps some other Islamic countries). Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?
Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?Hexagon_777
No, it's protected free speech.
You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?
Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?
MrGeezer
No, it's protected free speech.
You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?
Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?
yeah pretty much. you can put whatever speech, hate speech, lies, or misinformation on the internet.[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?MrGeezerNo, it's protected free speech.
You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?
Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?
I do support free speech quite vehemently, thank you very much, I was just wondering since this guy keeps announcing new attacks, is openly joyful over 9/11, and is seemingly recruiting members via lies and deceit. Lives are seemingly at risk. I thought slander was illegal too. What's more, why do people continuously feel the need to depict Islam as the victim? Nobody was this staunch about defending Christianity or Buddhism on here and South Park has had a far greater focus on the latter in my opinion.
"It was a retaliation for what your government is doing overseas," Abdullah Muhammad said. "If you want to continue killing civilians, then you're going to get many incidents that resemble what happened yesterday."
jamejame
Oh, there'll be more of your bombs not going off, and the people responsible arrested? I can live with that. Maybe this dude's mad because he thought South Park was making fun of him; his name is Muhammad.
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?
MrGeezer
No, it's protected free speech.
You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?
Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?
Despite there being no statements in the koran barring the depiction of the claimed prophet Muhammad the followers of islam are up in arms about it.Damn, I don't want to know what will happen when actual passages of the koran are challenged.
[QUOTE="walkingdream"]Ill say once and ill say it again, just bomb the hell out of the Middle East and be done with it. (not a US Citizen) BattleTurtlesEven though 98% of the people aren't terrorists? Yes
the smartest move right now is not to provoke the extremists further.rowzzr
I'd rather not see this nation cave in to the demands of a pathetic terrorist group. These extremists will always be provoked by our way of life and will always continue to threaten us and terrorize us. But as a nation, we can never give in to fear but rather stand upto threats and live like freemen.
I hate it when people do this.
I'm a Muslim myself...The South Park thing was offensive but theres nothing I can do.
Killing innocent people is one of the biggest sins, these people understand Islam wrong and all Muslims get called terrorists for thier stupid actions.
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