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#151 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] That is an extraordinary red herring.Franklinstein
I'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone.

Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.

No thanks.

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#152 789shadow
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If firecrackers, gasoline, and propane tanks is the best they can do, I'm not worried at all.

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#153 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Who gets to judge who the bad person is? On what basis would a person become bad enough in your eyes to kill?Dylan_11
A felon.

So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die?

Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

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#154 JustPlainLucas
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Hmm.. I want to believe it's a bluff. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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#155 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] A felon.BattleTurtles

So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die?

Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

What gives any human being the right to judge in a controlled situation who lives and who dies?

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#156 Fuhgeddabouditt
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] A felon.BattleTurtles

So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die?

Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

what if they are wrongly accused of murder?
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#157 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] A felon.BattleTurtles

So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die?

Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?
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#158 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] I'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone.BattleTurtles

Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.

No thanks.

Frost never indicated whether different actually turned out to be better. In fact, he was very clear that he had no set meaning on the poem at all.
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#159 JustPlainLucas
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Hmm.. now I"m wondering if this will impact the next New Years celebration...
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#160 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] I'm clearly losing the arguement here, throw me a bone.BattleTurtles

Perhaps you should join us, then you'd be on the winning side.

No thanks.

Well, don't ask for mercy, when you choose the tough road.
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#161 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So a person is bad once he gets arrested for a crime? How about minor crimes? Would you want to know the circumstances that led them to commit the crime or would you judge everyone on an equal basis? If your family member got into some money troubles and ended up in prison would you say he/she deserves to die?Dylan_11

Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?
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#162 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

BattleTurtles

So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence.

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#163 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

Depends on the crime. Robbery, no. Murder, yes.

edit: Self Defense is different however.

BattleTurtles

So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.

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#164 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]

So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?

Franklinstein

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.

Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time?
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#165 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?Dylan_11

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence.

Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.
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#166 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]

So where do you fit in this? If you murder the murderers would you kill yourself in the end? Do you feel that because you are doing the deed you feel you are above your own beliefs?

Franklinstein

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.

Show me the statistics of people wrongly accused of murder(are you the one who brought that up? can't remember)
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#167 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?BattleTurtles

Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence.

Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.

As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand.
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#168 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

xaos

Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.

Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time?

Lol... I'm guessing this is sarcasm? But oh yeah, escaped convicts are EVERYWHERE!!!!11
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#169 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Are you going to dodge my statement then? We aren't arguing prison systems or the death sentence.

Dylan_11

Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.

As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand.

I'm afraid I'm not following.

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#170 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.

Franklinstein
Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time?

Lol... I'm guessing this is sarcasm? But oh yeah, escaped convicts are EVERYWHERE!!!!11

[spoiler] Heavy, heavy, heavy sarcasm, or irony, or whatever [/spoiler]
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#171 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

So you believe life in prison is suitable enough. Even though you're giving them a chance to escape?

BattleTurtles

Show me the escape statistics, (I know them already) You obviously have never researched them.

Show me the statistics of people wrongly accused of murder(are you the one who brought that up? can't remember)

I wasn't the one who brought it up, but it is still a valid point, and I'll gladly show you the statistics(because I back up arguments with facts, not silly unsupported ideas) http://www.caught.net/innoc.htm
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#172 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="xaos"] Dude, haven't you seen that documentary series Prison Break? That **** happens all the time?

Lol... I'm guessing this is sarcasm? But oh yeah, escaped convicts are EVERYWHERE!!!!11

[spoiler] Heavy, heavy, heavy sarcasm, or irony, or whatever [/spoiler]

I lol'd, then I was like, "Oh yeah, this is OT, he COULD be serious...."
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#173 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] Wait, are you saying that I give them the death penalty or that I outright kill them? Not sure.BattleTurtles

As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand.

I'm afraid I'm not following.

Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?
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#174 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]As a person who isn't opposed to murder and torture I was under the assumption you would be the one with the knife in your hand.Franklinstein

I'm afraid I'm not following.

Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?

I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.
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#175 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] Why not? I don't see a problem. If there is one, point it out.

So you also agree with murder?

Depends.

This is where our argument started. We did not begin talking about the penal system nor the ways convicts should be handled. We were talking about you. So if this is some way of you dodging this argument then that's fine with me.
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#176 BattleTurtles
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]So you also agree with murder?Dylan_11
Depends.

This is where our argument started. We did not begin talking about the penal system nor the ways convicts should be handled. We were talking about you. So if this is some way of you dodging this argument then that's fine with me.

As I stated above, if I had to murder I would. And if I should accept the consequences, so be it.
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#177 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

I'm afraid I'm not following.

BattleTurtles

Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?

I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.

So, you disagree with the constitution, and the founding fathers, and the framers, and the general ideas that America were built upon?

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Ill say once and ill say it again, just bomb the hell out of the Middle East and be done with it. (not a US Citizen)
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

Well, basically what he is saying, (if I gather it correctly), is that since you are so for these practices, are you going to be the one carrying out the deed?

Franklinstein

I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.

So, you disagree with the constitution, and the founding fathers, and the framers, and the general ideas that America were built upon?

You're saying that like it's a bad thing.
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Ill say once and ill say it again, just bomb the hell out of the Middle East and be done with it. (not a US Citizen) walkingdream
Even though 98% of the people aren't terrorists?
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#181 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"] Depends.

This is where our argument started. We did not begin talking about the penal system nor the ways convicts should be handled. We were talking about you. So if this is some way of you dodging this argument then that's fine with me.

As I stated above, if I had to murder I would. And if I should accept the consequences, so be it.

Alright. Enough of an answer for me, but it would be one of those "I have to see it it to believe it" type of things because frankly I don't believe you.
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

I'm only for murder and torture under the right circumstances. And if the situation were under said circumstances, would I carry out the deed? If I had to, yes.

BattleTurtles

So, you disagree with the constitution, and the founding fathers, and the framers, and the general ideas that America were built upon?

You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

If you are American, it's at least problematic.
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#183 Hexagon_777
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Why does this guy live in New York again? Isn't he a social reject by now with all the odium he dishes out?

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[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="jamejame"]

A Muslim extremist who earlier warned that TV's "South Park" creators should be "afraid for their lives" for insulting Islam's prophet Muhammad now says that yesterday's car bomb attempt in Times Square will be just the beginning of a new wave of terrorist attacks.

Younus Abdullah Muhammad, author of RevolutionMuslim.com, told WND senior reporter Aaron Klein on New York's WABC Radio that America should "absolutely" expect more jihadi violence in New York City.

When asked if the Times Square attack was specifically aimed at the offices of nearby Viacom, which owns the "South Park" series, Abdullah Muhammad deflected the question to condemn U.S. foreign policy instead.

"It was a retaliation for what your government is doing overseas," Abdullah Muhammad said. "If you want to continue killing civilians, then you're going to get many incidents that resemble what happened yesterday."

LINK

Click the link for an the audio interview as well as more of the article.

So what do you think about this? Expected or surprised? Do you believe a new wave of terrorist attacks is incoming on New York or is this guy simply trying to stir up a storm?

These people are wussies... come bring your army and fight us..... o wait they have nothing but empty threats...

well they arent a nation. they are scattered individuals so they dont have an army
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#185 Hexagon_777
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I actually watched a video on revolutionmuslim.com yesterday. OMG they just make up bs to get people to join. They said the US was #1 country in the world in rate of rape, murder, incest, alcholism, drug use, homosexuality, prostitution, and violence towards women. **** liars.

It also really pissed me off when he said 9/11 attacks were a good thing. I freaking hate that site.

hedden93

Again, why does he live in New York? And violence towards women? I think it was Saudi Arabia where two motawas (religious policemen) sent sixteen girls back into their burning school because they weren't dressed properly, not the US. I also think that punishing a woman for being raped is also an attribute of Saudi Arabia (and perhaps some other Islamic countries). Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?

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#186 MrGeezer
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Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?

Hexagon_777

No, it's protected free speech.

You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?

Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?

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#187 weezyfb
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?

MrGeezer

No, it's protected free speech.

You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?

Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?

yeah pretty much. you can put whatever speech, hate speech, lies, or misinformation on the internet.
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#188 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?MrGeezer
No, it's protected free speech.

You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?

Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?

I do support free speech quite vehemently, thank you very much, I was just wondering since this guy keeps announcing new attacks, is openly joyful over 9/11, and is seemingly recruiting members via lies and deceit. Lives are seemingly at risk. I thought slander was illegal too. What's more, why do people continuously feel the need to depict Islam as the victim? Nobody was this staunch about defending Christianity or Buddhism on here and South Park has had a far greater focus on the latter in my opinion.

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#189 rowzzr
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the smartest move right now is not to provoke the extremists further.
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#190 optiow
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I am not surprised, America has many enemies. ~But people need to get a life and treat that South park episode as humor.
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#191 Palantas
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"It was a retaliation for what your government is doing overseas," Abdullah Muhammad said. "If you want to continue killing civilians, then you're going to get many incidents that resemble what happened yesterday."

jamejame

Oh, there'll be more of your bombs not going off, and the people responsible arrested? I can live with that. Maybe this dude's mad because he thought South Park was making fun of him; his name is Muhammad.

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#192 Pixel-Pirate
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I, again, really doubt this attempted bombing had ANYTHING at all to do with southpark.

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#193 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Isn't all the crap he's saying slander and punishable by law?

MrGeezer

No, it's protected free speech.

You do support our rights to free speech, don't you?

Or, is it only important to stand up for free speech when people are trying to deliberately insult an entire religion?

Despite there being no statements in the koran barring the depiction of the claimed prophet Muhammad the followers of islam are up in arms about it.

Damn, I don't want to know what will happen when actual passages of the koran are challenged.

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#194 walkingdream
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[QUOTE="walkingdream"]Ill say once and ill say it again, just bomb the hell out of the Middle East and be done with it. (not a US Citizen) BattleTurtles
Even though 98% of the people aren't terrorists?

Yes
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#195 Solid_Tango
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I bet Americans will get some revenge on this
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#196 leviathan91
Member since 2007 • 7763 Posts

the smartest move right now is not to provoke the extremists further.rowzzr

I'd rather not see this nation cave in to the demands of a pathetic terrorist group. These extremists will always be provoked by our way of life and will always continue to threaten us and terrorize us. But as a nation, we can never give in to fear but rather stand upto threats and live like freemen.

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#198 Immortal--
Member since 2010 • 1415 Posts

I hate it when people do this.

I'm a Muslim myself...The South Park thing was offensive but theres nothing I can do.

Killing innocent people is one of the biggest sins, these people understand Islam wrong and all Muslims get called terrorists for thier stupid actions.

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#199 nintendo-4life
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This is NOT Jihad for crying out loud, this is NOT the teachings of Islam, THIS IS NOT RIGHT! I'm so ashamed . .. clearing up the name of Islam is getting more difficult by the minute. If they want to terrorize the populace then PLEASE AT LEAST DON'T BRING UP THE NAME OF ISLAM!!!
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#200 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"][QUOTE="walkingdream"]Ill say once and ill say it again, just bomb the hell out of the Middle East and be done with it. (not a US Citizen) walkingdream
Even though 98% of the people aren't terrorists?

Yes

Then why do you want to bomb us?