"We donot need God for morals"

I don't believe in god, and i have a set of very morally ethic codes, such as i would never, ever injure someone unless they were actively trying to kill me, and i don't take stuff when no one's looking, i don't carjack, etc. I don't think you need god to have morals, it just helps som people have a reason for them or something like that.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

Why do you then need law for preventing crime?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

And with that this thread officaly fails...

Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not? Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

Why do you then need law for preventing crime?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Yes I am pretty sure.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

Because its against their own will? Put your self in her shoes, would you enjoy not having said protection>? Where you would be violated, abused, etc etc on the whims of some one more powerful than them?

Fact: Religion is losing influence every day on public life, laws and politics, especially here in europe. In old times, the western world resembled a theocracy much more than today. We're moving away from a society based on religion towards a more mixed society.

Fact: Our morals are always evolving. If we'd have a discussion with someone from the 19th century, we'd look at them like they're some sort of monster. (slavery was acceptable in old times, just like racism, discrimination against women etc.) Our morals are "getting better" every day. Also maybe there were small differences between the morals of theists and atheists, but they could be neglected compared to the difference in morals over decennia.

Then wouldn't it follow that religion is only holding back good morals?

See, I just made a proper argument saying religion is immoral. It's not hard too. Thing is, religion has nothing to do with morals. People look at the bible, and explain it in such a way that it suits their current world view, and set of morals. That's why very few religious people are willing to give away large chunks of wealth, even though the bible says you need to do that to get into heaven.

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

Because in the other case the woman consents to having sex with the partner, in the rape case, the man is FORCING the woman:|

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]So what you're saying is that someone should pretend to believe in something even if they don't actually believe in it because there would be utility in it if everyone genuinely did believe in it?

I don't follow. Deliberate self-deception is a pretty difficult trick to pull off. Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.

sSubZerOo

Some of the greatest religious leaders through out history have committed some of the greatest crimes in the name of fanaticism to their god..

Btw these religious leaders are sometimes the most corrupt people you can have...

Threads like this are great. I love it when someone tries to psychoanalyze a group that they know nothing about.

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[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

TH emajority of criminals currently being held in prison believe in god, I dont know the presentage but it is less than 10% atheist.

Trelaf_TheWise

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Some of the greatest religious leaders through out history have committed some of the greatest crimes in the name of fanaticism to their god..

Btw these religious leaders are sometimes the most corrupt people you can have...

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

]Than they are not crimes cuz the person thinks they are doing something good...

Vagal_Fiddle_6

They werent criminals since they thought they are doing something good...

Vagal_Fiddle_6

*calms down*

By your logic anyone who commits an act that goes against the law can go free without penalty because he/she thought they were doing something good. :|

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not? Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?zakkro

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Some of the greatest religious leaders through out history have committed some of the greatest crimes in the name of fanaticism to their god..

Btw these religious leaders are sometimes the most corrupt people you can have...

They are crimes they have done immoral stuff in the name of god.. Fanaticism is just as bad as any other act.

Your borken logic is astonishing! I never looked at it that way before, maybe thats why its broken? If the sky is blue, then space is obviously blue right? IF i can roll a ball across the ground and it stops, it must mean the world is flat right? Do Chrisitians still think the world is flat? Dr_Brocoli

From what I have learned and seen. The answer is no for a good majority of Christians. I am Christian and do not believe the world is flat. I know many others who have the same belief.

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not? Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?Vagal_Fiddle_6

.. What the hell kind of logic is this.. So your saying that if I could overpower YOU, I should have the right to rape you.. Makes perfect sense.. I think we should just have the entire forum hold you down.

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No, becuase it would be immoral.Funky_Llama

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

Why is he selfish? He is very ugly, I think it's only fair that he demands equality...Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

They weren't criminals?:| If I murder somebody because I want his money, I'm doing something that's GOOD FOR ME(I get the guys money) so that isn't considered criminal?

Do you THINK before you post? Do you analyse the sentences in your head before you type them?:| words MEAN stuff when you say them...

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not? Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not? Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?Vagal_Fiddle_6

They werent criminals since they thought they are doing something good...

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Duxxy, lock it up :P Thread should've been locked at "All criminals are atheist" anyway, I believe that is an insult against religious beliefs.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not?

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No, becuase it would be immoral.sSubZerOo

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

Because its against their own will? Put your self in her shoes, would you enjoy not having said protection>? Where you would be violated, abused, etc etc on the whims of some one more powerful than them?

Maybe I'd believe in God if his sacred book didn't say things like stone disobedient children to death or people who work on Sundays should be sentenced to death. I don't need God's morals ;)Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]Why is it? What is "immoral"? He just looks at the women as a beautifully crafted skin and he wants to enjoy it, why not?

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

Because its against their own will? Put your self in her shoes, would you enjoy not having said protection>? Where you would be violated, abused, etc etc on the whims of some one more powerful than them?

This video kinda closes down this thread:

OMG, he's a satanic atheist!

So atheists have no conscious, feelings or sympathy? All just because they don't believe in a creator? Wow... just wow. But you know, my mom and dad thought me that I shouldn't do things to others that I wouldn't like to be done to me. There's no god needed to grasp that logic.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They only pretend to believe in God. In their hearts their belief is VERY weak or else they would have never done such crimes.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]What about someone who doesnt have a problem with let's say raping a women? He should just go-on with it and do it with a well planned move that would save him from the police?

Vagal_Fiddle_6

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

First off, this demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the psychology of most violent rapists.

Secondly, I don't really see where you're going with this in regards to the supposed purpose of this thread. If God is really going to enforce morals, here's his big chance to interfere. I wish he would.

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Prove it.

xaos

Conveniently simple...

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No, becuase it would be immoral.SpaceMoose

Let's say hez "very" ugly, now why are the good looking guys with the beautiful gilrs, why cant he enjoy them? Why should he not if he can? Why is it ok for people to use their beauty to get in a girl's pants but not power?

First off, this demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the psychology of most violent rapists.

Secondly, I don't really see where you're going with this in regards to the supposed purpose of this thread. If God is really going to enforce morals, here's his big chance to interfere. I wish he would.

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They werent criminals since they thought they are doing something good...

Famiking

Duxxy, lock it up :P Thread should've been locked at "All criminals are atheist" anyway, I believe that is an insult against religious beliefs.

I'd have to agree with this. Pretty obvious trolling.

Where are the mods? When atheists make such a thread, it is locked. But when theists make one.....Dirok_Slogwar

lookat the posters recent post history..its all posts like this. People need to remember this is a game forum, not a religion conversion forum