"We donot need God for morals"

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]They werent criminals since they thought they are doing something good...

pianist

Duxxy, lock it up :P Thread should've been locked at "All criminals are atheist" anyway, I believe that is an insult against religious beliefs.

I'd have to agree with this. Pretty obvious trolling.

The sad thing is, I don't believe for a minute that he is purposely trolling.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] WTH is this.

Duxxy, lock it up :P Thread should've been locked at "All criminals are atheist" anyway, I believe that is an insult against religious beliefs.

sSubZerOo

I'd have to agree with this. Pretty obvious trolling.

The sad thing is, I don't believe for a minute that he is purposely trolling.

I believe your morals come from how you're raised as a child, and religious beliefs can play a role there. But you don't necessarily need god to be moral. In fact, everyone is immoral to a degree, it's natural.

The sad thing is, I don't believe for a minute that he is purposely trolling.

sSubZerOo

You know the old saying that ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law? That should apply in this case. Whether intentional or not, stating that all criminals are atheists is blatant troll material.

Morals come from society.

This can be seen because of the fact that morals have changed over time, and that there were morals before monotheistic religions.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The sad thing is, I don't believe for a minute that he is purposely trolling.

You know the old saying that ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law? That should apply in this case. Whether intentional or not, stating that all criminals are atheists is blatant troll material.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The sad thing is, I don't believe for a minute that he is purposely trolling.

pianist

You know the old saying that ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law? That should apply in this case. Whether intentional or not, stating that all criminals are atheists is blatant troll material.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Wow....this single thread has made me facepalm more then I have in months:| TC...PLEASE tell me your just trolling :| Funky_Llama

As far as I'm concerned, that makes it even more likely that he's a bona fide troll. People who are just plain ignorant don't go to such an effort to continue posting inflammatory and blatantly false information. He could be one of those 'reverse psychology' trolls who is attempting to paint religion in a negative light by taking the worst notions from it and exaggerating them.

Or maybe he really is just stupid and oddly persistent. I just don't find that likely.

People need to remember this is a game forum, not a religion conversion forumVashn

lookat the posters recent post history..its all posts like this. People need to remember this is a game forum, not a religion conversion forum

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't understand why you can't be a good person without God? Hell, look at how many pastors and such get in trouble with little boys. They believe in God, so where's their morals. :? People can live perfectly normal, and happy, lives without God, thank you very much.clembo1990

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Wow....this single thread has made me facepalm more then I have in months:| TC...PLEASE tell me your just trolling :| pianist

As far as I'm concerned, that makes it even more likely that he's a bona fide troll. People who are just plain ignorant don't go to such an effort to continue posting inflammatory and blatantly false information. He could be one of those 'reverse psychology' trolls who is attempting to paint religion in a negative light by taking the worst notions from it and exaggerating them.

Or maybe he really is just stupid and oddly persistent. I just don't find that likely.

beleif from the atheistic community is that morals are mostly learned with a wee bit of genetics on the top. The reason why there are immoral people in the world is because these antimoral people are either antisocial or they learned their morals from the wrong crowd. God has nothing to do with morals.

Given that to troll is to post messages whose deliberate intent is to piss people off, I'm going to disagree. He is pissing people off, but he's not posting messages for that purpose.

Funky_Llama

I think he is. But in any event, it's small issue to me. Trolling is banned because of the effect it has, not because of the action itself, and it shouldn't matter if it's intentional or not. If you post something which has the effect of trolling - something which a real troll would post - you may as well be trolling. Not to be confused with genuine disagreement, of course. Most people are intelligent enough to recognize the difference between strong arguments that piss people off and troll-worthy arguments.

[QUOTE="Vashn"]People need to remember this is a game forum, not a religion conversion forumscorch-62

wow, that was wierd, i thought i was on general forums for some strange reason. no wonder i was confused this wasn't locked yet

Given that to troll is to post messages whose deliberate intent is to piss people off, I'm going to disagree. He is pissing people off, but he's not posting messages for that purpose.

Funky_Llama

Well, Islamic fundamentalism does tend to anger people, even if its proponents aren't trying to have that effect. I just think, given that his post count is rather a lot more than it seems (this must be about his third or fourth account), it would be unlikely that he could keep such an act up for so long...

Funky_Llama

We see this in very different ways. I think it's far more likely that a person is a troll if he continues to make alt accounts after being banned and continues posting exactly the same messages that got him banned in the first place. Those who are not trolls usually make at least some effort to conform to the rules and avoid being banned again.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't understand why you can't be a good person without God? Hell, look at how many pastors and such get in trouble with little boys. They believe in God, so where's their morals. :? People can live perfectly normal, and happy, lives without God, thank you very much.JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Given that to troll is to post messages whose deliberate intent is to piss people off, I'm going to disagree. He is pissing people off, but he's not posting messages for that purpose.

pianist

I think he is. But in any event, it's small issue to me. Trolling is banned because of the effect it has, not because of the action itself, and it shouldn't matter if it's intentional or not. If you post something which has the effect of trolling - something which a real troll would post - you may as well be trolling. Not to be confused with genuine disagreement, of course. Most people are intelligent enough to recognize the difference between strong arguments that piss people off and troll-worthy arguments.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Well, Islamic fundamentalism does tend to anger people, even if its proponents aren't trying to have that effect. I just think, given that his post count is rather a lot more than it seems (this must be about his third or fourth account), it would be unlikely that he could keep such an act up for so long...

pianist

We see this in very different ways. I think it's far more likely that a person is a troll if he continues to make alt accounts after being banned and continues posting exactly the same messages that got him banned in the first place. Those who are not trolls usually make at least some effort to conform to the rules and avoid being banned again.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Well, Islamic fundamentalism does tend to anger people, even if its proponents aren't trying to have that effect. I just think, given that his post count is rather a lot more than it seems (this must be about his third or fourth account), it would be unlikely that he could keep such an act up for so long...

pianist

We see this in very different ways. I think it's far more likely that a person is a troll if he continues to make alt accounts after being banned and continues posting exactly the same messages that got him banned in the first place. Those who are not trolls usually make at least some effort to conform to the rules and avoid being banned again.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Given that to troll is to post messages whose deliberate intent is to piss people off, I'm going to disagree. He is pissing people off, but he's not posting messages for that purpose.

JustPlainLucas

You have a much higher opinion of humanity than I, or apparently llama, do ;) It's good to have people who ascribe some sort of logic and rationality to people's behavior thoughxaos

Truth be told, I see logic in Funky's point of view, too. This guy could just be a fanatic who, for whatever reason, feels it's God's plan for him to post his message at the GS Off-topic forum.

I'm guessing that he simply doesn't care about being banned. He never did, and never would, amass much status here; I'm guessing as far as he's concerned, there's no reason to temper his flamebait-y views when he can just keep coming back.Funky_Llama

:lol:

I like how we've hi-jacked this thread into a quasi-psychoanalysis session...

Well, I need God for moral reasons.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I'm guessing that he simply doesn't care about being banned. He never did, and never would, amass much status here; I'm guessing as far as he's concerned, there's no reason to temper his flamebait-y views when he can just keep coming back.pianist

:lol:

I like how we've hi-jacked this thread into a quasi-psychoanalysis session...

Well, I need God for moral reasons.

Wolf-Man2006

So....this thread started off compleatly pointless...and now has been almost compleatly derailed......and it STILL has not been locked?:|Darth-Caedus

Mods only lock the good threads right away. :P

I'll rather not bother with stupidity...

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]It's simple logic.:roll:

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Explain your simple logic to me.xaos

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

I'll rather not bother with stupidity...

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Prove it.

MrPraline

[QUOTE="xaos"]You have a much higher opinion of humanity than I, or apparently llama, do ;) It's good to have people who ascribe some sort of logic and rationality to people's behavior thoughpianist

Truth be told, I see logic in Funky's point of view, too. This guy could just be a fanatic who, for whatever reason, feels it's God's plan for him to post his message at the GS Off-topic forum.

After watching some of the Republican rallies in the South for McCain during the election, I don't doubt anything anymore when it comes to religious fanatacism in this decade.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]It's simple logic.:roll:

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Some of the greatest religious leaders through out history have committed some of the greatest crimes in the name of fanaticism to their god..

MrPraline

Btw these religious leaders are sometimes the most corrupt people you can have...

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

Funky_Llama

just believing for the sake of believing.

Vagal_Fiddle_6

[QUOTE="Vagal_Fiddle_6"]

[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]

it doesn't work that way sunshine. I bet those hijackers couldn't wait to meet Allah

MrPraline