Religion is responsible for alot of pain, suffering and ignorance.

[QUOTE="Fundai"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Wow, I've never seen someone get countertrolled as hard as TC. He makes me want to become a priest just so I don't risk sharing any elements of my personality with him.

SPYDER0416

I think we should switch up the bears, for a little variety. Pandas in one, Grizzlies in another, maybe a few polar bears here and there.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"] Maybe from now on every religious thread that's obviously for trolling purpose should be Panda'd.Fundai

I think we should switch up the bears, for a little variety. Pandas in one, Grizzlies in another, maybe a few polar bears here and there.

Oh yeah definitely. We need to brainstorm this issue, and this thread is now the panda and bear discussions thread.

It was something else originally, but I already forgot what it was about.

[QUOTE="Fundai"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I think we should switch up the bears, for a little variety. Pandas in one, Grizzlies in another, maybe a few polar bears here and there.

SPYDER0416

Oh yeah definitely. We need to brainstorm this issue, and this thread is now the panda and bear discussions thread.

It was something else originally, but I already forgot what it was about.

Who cares what it was about.

We have bears. :P

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"] Maybe from now on every religious thread that's obviously for trolling purpose should be Panda'd.Fundai

I think we should switch up the bears, for a little variety. Pandas in one, Grizzlies in another, maybe a few polar bears here and there.

[QUOTE="Fundai"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I think we should switch up the bears, for a little variety. Pandas in one, Grizzlies in another, maybe a few polar bears here and there.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Fundai"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I think we should switch up the bears, for a little variety. Pandas in one, Grizzlies in another, maybe a few polar bears here and there.

LJS9502_basic

Don't worry, I mentioned polar bears and grizzlies.

Here's a list of bears on wikipedia we can use for reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bears

You got to come with something better than that TC, or should I say troll?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Fundai"] You forgot polar bears, brown bears, grizzly bears.....SPYDER0416

Don't worry, I mentioned polar bears and grizzlies.

Here's a list of bears on wikipedia we can use for reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bears

You got to come with something better than that TC, or should I say troll?

Jagged3dge

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

You got to come with something better than that TC, or should I say troll?

SPYDER0416

Damn...should of known, third page and all :lol:

Buddhism, although, in essence a philosophy, is a prime example of religion put to good use.SaintWalrus

Hate threads on Religion are responsible for alot of pain, suffering and ignorance.

Fixed it for you.

If everyone followed religious principales, the world would be a better place. Religion does not teach us to be violent. It saves souls for the afterlife!

[QUOTE="DragonOracle69"]Seriously science is ****ing chained down because of it the middle east turning into hell in the hand basket and same sex marriage is considered to be the greatest crime against humanity. When can we throw Religion where it belongs in the trash?psychobrew

Ha, atheism a belief system? Though I have no intention to offend you, I must say that's very ignorant. The prefix "a-" means "without," you realize. By definition, it is the lacking of a belief in a deity. Lacking of a belief. Therefore, by definition and logic, it is the opposite of a belief system.

Also, I find it quite humorous when people bring up Communist countries as an example of why religion is bad. I can guarantee you that the lack of religious beliefs is almost completely, if not definitely, irrelevant to any problems associated with Communism. And in any case, no nation throughout history has actually had a true Communist government, mostly because it's nearly impossible due to human greed. It turns into little more than a dictatorship, and I can name plenty of religious dictatorships if you'd like.

If everyone followed religious principales, the world would be a better place. Religion does not teach us to be violent. It saves souls for the afterlife!

outworld222

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

If everyone followed religious principales, the world would be a better place. Religion does not teach us to be violent. It saves souls for the afterlife!

SaintWalrus

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="outworld222"]

If everyone followed religious principales, the world would be a better place. Religion does not teach us to be violent. It saves souls for the afterlife!

outworld222

30 posts? I'll leave it at that. Have a nice day.ad1x2

^^^

same sex marriage is considered to be the greatest crime against humanity.DragonOracle69

You know here in the US, there are several states that allow same-sex marriage, and that list is going to continue to grow. These things take time, and the US is well on our way.

You're right, science has no need for morality. All morality does is limit the progress of science. Imagine all the progress we can make without any petty morals or religion. *sarcasm mode detected*hiphops_savior

I guess that would mean insane medical and technological progress at the cost of living in mortal fear of some sort of disaster wrought by the scientific community every day of our lives.

atheism is responsible for being lame

For alter boys yes. In the butt.

atheism is responsible for being lame

dontshackzmii

What kind of thread is this anyway?

A let's hate religion thread or a let's love bears thread?

Let me close by saying....

Chicago Bears suck! Go Packers!!!!

*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.LJS9502_basic

This thread lacks panda.

When you can come up with a speculative argument forseeing how humanity can achieve peace with or without religion, despite our tendencies to be power-hungry, war-like people who will kill eachother over the dumbest things (see System Wars for evidence), and how the natural tendencies of the human mind have caused less pain and suffering than religion.

Do some research before blasting your opinions in our faces.

What's even worse than religion is traffic jams. Those cause lots of suffering and pain.

And then become A DRAGON! *fap* *fap* *fap* Nude_Dude

hahah omg pandas are so cute :3TheFemaIe

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.MirkoS77

*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.001011000101101

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.001011000101101

[QUOTE="001011000101101"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.LJS9502_basic

*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn* The correct answer is people....until you realize that....then I don't consider you dealing in reality.LJS9502_basic

Personal slights don't help your argument, but I've seen you do it numerous times to others in other threads so I suppose it's to be expected.

Anyway, of course religion isn't an animate object doing the crime by itself.....if you believe that's what I'm saying than let me clarify. What I mean is you cannot separate religion from the religious. Religion manifests itself in people, it's not some objective idea floating around in space. That it is subjective and open to interpretation is proof of this enough. If religion did not exist, yes, people would still cause suffering, but it would be one less thing to fight about. Saying "Religion isn't the problem, people are.." is like saying, "morals aren't the problem, people are." They are one and the same. People are the tools, religion is the reason. It's not entirely to blame, but it is very much part of the problem.

If you'd like to reply with actual reasons and explain your position instead of your typical two sentence denial punctuated by an ad-hominem, it'd be appreciated.

This is such a biased thread, yes there have been some pains and atrocitities that were caused by reliogions, but there has also been alot of good to come out of it. People like MLK Jr, James Madison, Mother Theresa ect....were all religious and very spiritual people whose belifes inspired them to make the world a better place.

There have been several bad things that had nothing to do with religion. WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with religion, neither did The Shoah (the Holocaust) or the Viethnam ect....Also I recommend you read up about life in the Soviet Union, which was very anti religous (they banned religion and it was illegal to practice it or believe in God) but guess what? Alot of people suffered and died in it.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman wants a Wii and goes to the future where atheists rule the earth but are in a war with otters over what to name the planet. Atroricities arn't caused by religion alone, religion at it's core is simply about loving people and tolerating them and not judging them. It's so easy but so many people forget this and use it to hurt others.

Bottom line: People are the ones who hurt other people.

This is such a biased thread, yes there have been some pains and atrocitities that were caused by reliogions, but there has also been alot of good to come out of it. People like MLK Jr, James Madison, Mother Theresa ect....were all religious and very spiritual people whose belifes inspired them to make the world a better place.

There have been several bad things that had nothing to do with religion. WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with religion, neither did The Shoah (the Holocaust) or the Viethnam ect....Also I recommend you read up about life in the Soviet Union, which was very anti religous (they banned religion and it was illegal to practice it or believe in God) but guess what? Alot of people suffered and died in it.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman wants a Wii and goes to the future where atheists rule the earth but are in a war with otters over what to name the planet. Atroricities arn't caused by religion alone, religion at it's core is simply about loving people and tolerating them and not judging them. It's so easy but so many people forget this and use it to hurt others.

Bottom line: People are the ones who hurt other people.

ShadowMoses900

Because none of the major players in World War II had anti-Semitic leaders.

:roll:

EDIT: In regards to religion being about loving and tolerating without judging, I can't give you an estimate anymore on how many times I've been called a demon-worshipper, Satan's servant, etc. And don't even get me started on all of the people trying to convert me to "save me from eternal torture" or those who don't even want to do the work and just say "Burn in Hell, then." I don't have a single Christian friend who has ever kept from mentioning it. Many may accept it, but they still try to get their ideas in my head. The only definition of religious tolerance that I will accept is one that includes complete and total acceptance of one's beliefs or lack of beliefs, and ignore the subject completely. When people don't comply, I have no reason to either.

Religion is, I believe, something necessary and it has the potential to be positive. However when religion attemps to make claims about the natural world that's where issues arise.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is such a biased thread, yes there have been some pains and atrocitities that were caused by reliogions, but there has also been alot of good to come out of it. People like MLK Jr, James Madison, Mother Theresa ect....were all religious and very spiritual people whose belifes inspired them to make the world a better place.

There have been several bad things that had nothing to do with religion. WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with religion, neither did The Shoah (the Holocaust) or the Viethnam ect....Also I recommend you read up about life in the Soviet Union, which was very anti religous (they banned religion and it was illegal to practice it or believe in God) but guess what? Alot of people suffered and died in it.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman wants a Wii and goes to the future where atheists rule the earth but are in a war with otters over what to name the planet. Atroricities arn't caused by religion alone, religion at it's core is simply about loving people and tolerating them and not judging them. It's so easy but so many people forget this and use it to hurt others.

Bottom line: People are the ones who hurt other people.

bub166

Because none of the major players in World War II had anti-Semitic leaders.

:roll:

EDIT: In regards to religion being about loving and tolerating without judging, I can't give you an estimate anymore on how many times I've been called a demon-worshipper, Satan's servant, etc. And don't even get me started on all of the people trying to convert me to "save me from eternal torture" or those who don't even want to do the work and just say "Burn in Hell, then." I don't have a single Christian friend who has ever kept from mentioning it. Many may accept it, but they still try to get their ideas in my head. The only definition of religious tolerance that I will accept is one that includes complete and total acceptance of one's beliefs or lack of beliefs, and ignore the subject completely. When people don't comply, I have no reason to either.

The defintion of Anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimination agaisnt Jews as a religion,ethinicty,or racial group

Jews were targeted by the Nazis more so based on their ethnicity/race and not so much their religion, religion wasn't really the cause of that. It's not like the Jews could just convert to Christianity and the Nazi's would leave them alone, they would still be Jews. There are plenty of Jewish atheists out there as well, the term is not contradicotry.

As for the Christians in your life, they sound more like an extreame or more orthodox group. I am sorry to hear your experiences but you can't apply that to all Christians in the world, have you met all Christians? Do you know that they all act like that? Do they all run arond and condem people to hell? To assume they all do is just a form of ignorance and being closed minded.

The true meaning of religion is to love people and not judge them, alot of Christians do not abide by that unforutantely, but there are plenty that do.

[QUOTE="bub166"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is such a biased thread, yes there have been some pains and atrocitities that were caused by reliogions, but there has also been alot of good to come out of it. People like MLK Jr, James Madison, Mother Theresa ect....were all religious and very spiritual people whose belifes inspired them to make the world a better place.

There have been several bad things that had nothing to do with religion. WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with religion, neither did The Shoah (the Holocaust) or the Viethnam ect....Also I recommend you read up about life in the Soviet Union, which was very anti religous (they banned religion and it was illegal to practice it or believe in God) but guess what? Alot of people suffered and died in it.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman wants a Wii and goes to the future where atheists rule the earth but are in a war with otters over what to name the planet. Atroricities arn't caused by religion alone, religion at it's core is simply about loving people and tolerating them and not judging them. It's so easy but so many people forget this and use it to hurt others.

Bottom line: People are the ones who hurt other people.

ShadowMoses900

Because none of the major players in World War II had anti-Semitic leaders.

:roll:

EDIT: In regards to religion being about loving and tolerating without judging, I can't give you an estimate anymore on how many times I've been called a demon-worshipper, Satan's servant, etc. And don't even get me started on all of the people trying to convert me to "save me from eternal torture" or those who don't even want to do the work and just say "Burn in Hell, then." I don't have a single Christian friend who has ever kept from mentioning it. Many may accept it, but they still try to get their ideas in my head. The only definition of religious tolerance that I will accept is one that includes complete and total acceptance of one's beliefs or lack of beliefs, and ignore the subject completely. When people don't comply, I have no reason to either.

The defintion of Anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimination agaisnt Jews as a religion,ethinicty,or racial group

Jews were targeted by the Nazis more so based on their ethnicity/race and not so much their religion, religion wasn't really the cause of that. It's not like the Jews could just convert to Christianity and the Nazi's would leave them alone, they would still be Jews. There are plenty of Jewish atheists out there as well, the term is not contradicotry.

As for the Christians in your life, they sound more like an extreame or more orthodox group. I am sorry to hear your experiences but you can't apply that to all Christians in the world, have you met all Christians? Do you know that they all act like that? Do they all run arond and condem people to hell? To assume they all do is just a form of ignorance and being closed minded.

The true meaning of religion is to love people and not judge them, alot of Christians do not abide by that unforutantely, but there are plenty that do.

I wasn't only speaking out of real-life experience, that's the way I've been treated by Christians on any corner of the internet, and it's how many of my atheistic friends have been treated. And to say that I'm ignorant for being angry that all Christians I've met have been oppressive to me is far more ignorant, considering they're taught to say such things. I've never met a Christian who was perfectly fine with me being an atheist. Why is it foolish to say that there are probably a large amount of Christians like that?

Also, if you're going to play that card, the definition of anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimnation against Jews as areligion, ethnicity, or racial group. I realize that they were treated that way as a racial group, but you really think that if a caucasion was Jewish, they'd be excused? They were opposed to the whole idea of Judaism in general, the religion and groups that came about because of it. Let's not forgot that on multiple accounts, Hitler labeled Germany as something of a "Christian empire." While his main motives may not have been to conquer in the name of Christianity, it definitely played a role. And you can't ignore the part about anti-Semitism. It's hard to argue that Hitler could even have risen to power without using them as a scapegoat. He had the entire country against the whole concept. If he hadn't, I highly doubt he'd have been able to invade any country, weak or strong, with his motivation.

It also is responsible with growth and development of human kind. Just because it is not a useful now doesn't mean it was useless before.BetaIntro

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="bub166"]

Because none of the major players in World War II had anti-Semitic leaders.

:roll:

EDIT: In regards to religion being about loving and tolerating without judging, I can't give you an estimate anymore on how many times I've been called a demon-worshipper, Satan's servant, etc. And don't even get me started on all of the people trying to convert me to "save me from eternal torture" or those who don't even want to do the work and just say "Burn in Hell, then." I don't have a single Christian friend who has ever kept from mentioning it. Many may accept it, but they still try to get their ideas in my head. The only definition of religious tolerance that I will accept is one that includes complete and total acceptance of one's beliefs or lack of beliefs, and ignore the subject completely. When people don't comply, I have no reason to either.

bub166

The defintion of Anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimination agaisnt Jews as a religion,ethinicty,or racial group

Jews were targeted by the Nazis more so based on their ethnicity/race and not so much their religion, religion wasn't really the cause of that. It's not like the Jews could just convert to Christianity and the Nazi's would leave them alone, they would still be Jews. There are plenty of Jewish atheists out there as well, the term is not contradicotry.

As for the Christians in your life, they sound more like an extreame or more orthodox group. I am sorry to hear your experiences but you can't apply that to all Christians in the world, have you met all Christians? Do you know that they all act like that? Do they all run arond and condem people to hell? To assume they all do is just a form of ignorance and being closed minded.

The true meaning of religion is to love people and not judge them, alot of Christians do not abide by that unforutantely, but there are plenty that do.

I wasn't only speaking out of real-life experience, that's the way I've been treated by Christians on any corner of the internet, and it's how many of my atheistic friends have been treated. And to say that I'm ignorant for being angry that all Christians I've met have been oppressive to me is far more ignorant, considering they're taught to say such things. I've never met a Christian who was perfectly fine with me being an atheist. Why is it foolish to say that there are probably a large amount of Christians like that?

Also, if you're going to play that card, the definition of anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimnation against Jews as areligion, ethnicity, or racial group. I realize that they were treated that way as a racial group, but you really think that if a caucasion was Jewish, they'd be excused? They were opposed to the whole idea of Judaism in general, the religion and groups that came about because of it. Let's not forgot that on multiple accounts, Hitler labeled Germany as something of a "Christian empire." While his main motives may not have been to conquer in the name of Christianity, it definitely played a role. And you can't ignore the part about anti-Semitism. It's hard to argue that Hitler could even have risen to power without using them as a scapegoat. He had the entire country against the whole concept. If he hadn't, I highly doubt he'd have been able to invade any country, weak or strong, with his motivation.

Hitler attacked other groups outside of of the Jews, all for their physical or mental "inferiorities". Any race that wasn't native germanic was on the list to be destroyed (blacks, Native Americans, russians, orients, mentally and physically handicaped, etc) None of these attacks were a discrimination of religion, and even the jews weren't specifically attacked for their religion, but just because of the label "Jew", not the religion. They were blamed for Germany's loss in WWI, hated for their roles in politics and businesses (anything influential), and for their roles in a Communist uprising in Germany. These things were generalised as a Jewish in origin and had nothing to do with their religion, simply for their roles in what the German people viewed as the destruction of their country, the one at blame the most. If you replaced the Jews with any other group, it would have worked out exactly the same way as it was over a specific group of people, not religious based.

In short, Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat because of their influential place in German society and their supposed negative impact on the German state, not because they were Jewish (religion-wise).

[QUOTE="bub166"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is such a biased thread, yes there have been some pains and atrocitities that were caused by reliogions, but there has also been alot of good to come out of it. People like MLK Jr, James Madison, Mother Theresa ect....were all religious and very spiritual people whose belifes inspired them to make the world a better place.

There have been several bad things that had nothing to do with religion. WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with religion, neither did The Shoah (the Holocaust) or the Viethnam ect....Also I recommend you read up about life in the Soviet Union, which was very anti religous (they banned religion and it was illegal to practice it or believe in God) but guess what? Alot of people suffered and died in it.

It reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman wants a Wii and goes to the future where atheists rule the earth but are in a war with otters over what to name the planet. Atroricities arn't caused by religion alone, religion at it's core is simply about loving people and tolerating them and not judging them. It's so easy but so many people forget this and use it to hurt others.

Bottom line: People are the ones who hurt other people.

ShadowMoses900

Because none of the major players in World War II had anti-Semitic leaders.

:roll:

EDIT: In regards to religion being about loving and tolerating without judging, I can't give you an estimate anymore on how many times I've been called a demon-worshipper, Satan's servant, etc. And don't even get me started on all of the people trying to convert me to "save me from eternal torture" or those who don't even want to do the work and just say "Burn in Hell, then." I don't have a single Christian friend who has ever kept from mentioning it. Many may accept it, but they still try to get their ideas in my head. The only definition of religious tolerance that I will accept is one that includes complete and total acceptance of one's beliefs or lack of beliefs, and ignore the subject completely. When people don't comply, I have no reason to either.

The defintion of Anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimination agaisnt Jews as a religion,ethinicty,or racial group

Jews were targeted by the Nazis more so based on their ethnicity/race and not so much their religion, religion wasn't really the cause of that. It's not like the Jews could just convert to Christianity and the Nazi's would leave them alone, they would still be Jews. There are plenty of Jewish atheists out there as well, the term is not contradicotry.

As for the Christians in your life, they sound more like an extreame or more orthodox group. I am sorry to hear your experiences but you can't apply that to all Christians in the world, have you met all Christians? Do you know that they all act like that? Do they all run arond and condem people to hell? To assume they all do is just a form of ignorance and being closed minded.

The true meaning of religion is to love people and not judge them, alot of Christians do not abide by that unforutantely, but there are plenty that do.