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#1 mysterylobster
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Sorry if you've already seen this, but here's a hilarious video. Armey picks up on this woman's phony outrage over Rush Limbaugh and completely destroys her argument. Why should Republicans apologize for what people in the media do or say? You don't hear Republicans asking Obama to apologize for comments from Kanye West or some entertainment figure.

Whatever, just watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN7D-oixVWk&feature=related

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The way she looks soo confused. It's hilarious. And she looks quite defeated :p
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All I could get from that was some guys laughing at her and not making any points at all.
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The way she looks soo confused. It's hilarious. And she looks quite defeated :pOblivionfan10
It's quite amazing. She's expressing phony outrage over comments Armey made about her phony outrage. I'd hate to go through life pretending to be offended by every little thing.
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Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?
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Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?Ninja-Hippo

What about the way people insulted and belittled Bush?

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Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?Ninja-Hippo
If you go on a show with an argument like hers, you should expect to be called a hack.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?Oblivionfan10

What about the way people insulted and belittled Bush?

Because he screwed up? They insulted him after making their arguements. This guy didn't make any points at all and just insulted her.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?Oblivionfan10

What about the way people insulted and belittled Bush?

He deserved to be belittled and insulted if you ask me. It's hardly the same thing. I dont agree with her, by the way, especially the nonsense about Bush ruining the economy. But to say that he "shows how to deal with a liberal" is silly if you ask me. He did nothing of the sort. He just insulted the woman. Had he come up with a good, solid arguement which took her to pieces i'd be laughing with you guys, but he didnt.
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All I could get from that was some guys laughing at her and not making any points at all. jaydough

pretty much, safe bet, if you don't know what's going on, laugh and make it seem like the other person is the idiot.

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#11 mysterylobster
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[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?jaydough

What about the way people insulted and belittled Bush?

Because he screwed up? They insulted him after making their arguements. This guy didn't make any points at all and just insulted her.

Of course he made points. She thinks Republicans should apologize for something a radio talk show host said, and he told her that those talk shows are just ridiculous babble and politicians have more important things to worry about. That should have been the end of it, but she goes on and on.
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"] Of course he made points. She thinks Republicans should apologize for something a radio talk show host said, and he told her that those talk shows are just ridiculous babble and politicians have more important things to worry about. That should have been the end of it, but she goes on and on.

Um, not really. He said politics is silly and inane, and she argued that she cared about social justice and whenever she tried to make a counter-arguement he just laughed her down or made derogatory comments. That's the great way to "deal with a liberal" that you're preaching? Also, why are you trying to turn a fairly uninteresting video into an anti-liberal thread? :?
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?mysterylobster
If you go on a show with an argument like hers, you should expect to be called a hack.

From what I can piece together from the video, it seems that she's just asking for Rush Limbaugh to apologise for hoping that Obama would fail, while the economy was in horrid conditions, thereby giving the metaphorical middle finger to all the Americans who lost their jobs because of the previous administrations. How is that stupid? Rush should appologize for being so insensitive and ignorant.
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lol he was just talking **** he didnt really say anything else...
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Wasn't really that funny. He basically insulted and belittled her. :?mysterylobster
If you go on a show with an argument like hers, you should expect to be called a hack.

What was so completely outrageous about her arguement exactly? :|
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I was at least expecting some actual, uh, points to be made and for the liberal in question to be really, really stupid, but all I got was someone who laughed at everything she had to say and whose sole argument was basically "give it a rest". If that's your impression of masterful debating prowess, I think you would be benefitted by a few more classes on the subject. :P

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#17 mysterylobster
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Um, not really. He said politics is silly and inaneNinja-Hippo


He said political discourse is inane, not politics. He's telling this woman not to get so worked up over something a radio talk show host says. It's like asking Obama to apologize for something Keith Olbermann says.
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"I'm so damn glad that you could never be my wife, cause I surely wouldn't have to listen to that prattle from you every day." -Rep. Armey, from the linked video I don't think that elevates the level of the national debate. That's a fairly juvenile thing to hold up as an example of how to have a serious policy discussion. That sort of comment towards someone wouldn't fly on the Gamespot message boards. An elected leader on national television certainly shouldn't be making that sort of remark, let alone being applauded for it.
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If that's your impression of masterful debating prowess, I think you would be benefitted by a few more classes on the subject.GabuEx
Believe me, sir, I have some serious master debating prowess. No problems in that area.



I don't think that elevates the level of the national debate. That's a fairly juvenile thing to hold up as an example of how to have a serious policy discussion..nocoolnamejim

If they were having a serious policy discussion, then I would agree with you. But Rep. Armey had the perfect response to this kind of political hack, who responds to these ridiculous matters with phony outrage. In other words, a perfect example of what the Democratic party of Nancy Pelosi has become.
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Believe me, sir, I have some serious master debating prowess. No problems in that area. mysterylobster

I'm sure you must just be taking pity on us by never using it, then. :P

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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Believe me, sir, I have some serious master debating prowess. No problems in that area. GabuEx

I'm sure you must just be taking pity on us by never using it, then.

No way, I'm using it right now just talking to you.
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If they were having a serious policy discussion, then I would agree with you. But Rep. Armey had the perfect response to this kind of political hack, who responds to these ridiculous matters with phony outrage. In other words, a perfect example of what the Democratic party of Nancy Pelosi has become. mysterylobster
She was on that show deliberately to present the liberal viewpoint. He was on that show deliberately to represent the conservative viewpoint. Naturally they're going to disagree. They WERE having a policy discussion. Going all "caveman" with those blatantly chauvinistic statements was not warranted. In my opinion, responding to the lady's policy points with statements of "get over it" and "I'm so damn glad you're not my wife" is demeaning, patronizing and shows how weak his substantive arguments were when that was the only response he could come up with.
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All I could get from that was some guys laughing at her and not making any points at all. jaydough
Same here. I only clicked on the link because i thought there would be violence :(
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]If they were having a serious policy discussion, then I would agree with you. But Rep. Armey had the perfect response to this kind of political hack, who responds to these ridiculous matters with phony outrage. In other words, a perfect example of what the Democratic party of Nancy Pelosi has become. nocoolnamejim
She was on that show deliberately to present the liberal viewpoint. He was on that show deliberately to represent the conservative viewpoint. Naturally they're going to disagree. They WERE having a policy discussion.

This had nothing to do with policy. She tried to score points off something a political hack like Rush Limbaugh said. Armey was absolutely right when he said serious people shouldn't concern themselves with this sort of nonsense. It could have been a serious discussion on policy, but she couldn't move past the "apologize now" sort of phony moral outrage. As Rep. Armey so eloquently put it: "give it a rest."
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]If they were having a serious policy discussion, then I would agree with you. But Rep. Armey had the perfect response to this kind of political hack, who responds to these ridiculous matters with phony outrage. In other words, a perfect example of what the Democratic party of Nancy Pelosi has become. mysterylobster
She was on that show deliberately to present the liberal viewpoint. He was on that show deliberately to represent the conservative viewpoint. Naturally they're going to disagree. They WERE having a policy discussion.

This had nothing to do with policy. She tried to score points off something a political hack like Rush Limbaugh said. Armey was absolutely right when he said serious people shouldn't concern themselves with this sort of nonsense. It could have been a serious discussion on policy, but she couldn't move past the "apologize now" sort of phony moral outrage. As Rep. Armey so eloquently put it: "give it a rest."

If Rush Limbaugh was some average Joe off the street who obviously has no influence on the Republican party, or how the Republican party votes, then I might agree with you that it was a non-issue. However, the fact of the matter is that Rush Limbaugh DOES influence how a lot of Republicans on Capital Hill vote. In fact, that was the very subject of discussion: "Does Rush Rule the GOP?" Republicans who disagree with Rush and don't do as he wants them to don't tend to fare well.
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Limbaugh's influence has always been inflated, particularly by liberals like the woman in the video who want an easy target. He called McCain a liberal who was going to destroy the Republican party, but McCain ended up getting the nomination. And as you can see from the video, the former Majority Leader has no problem calling Limbaugh a hack.
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Believe me, sir, I have some serious master debating prowess. No problems in that area. mysterylobster

I'm sure you must just be taking pity on us by never using it, then.

No way, I'm using it right now just talking to you.

Hrm, I don't think "serious master debating prowess" means what you think it does.
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I'm sure you must just be taking pity on us by never using it, then.

xaos
No way, I'm using it right now just talking to you.

Hrm, I don't think "serious master debating prowess" means what you think it does.

What do you think it means, cutie?
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] No way, I'm using it right now just talking to you. mysterylobster
Hrm, I don't think "serious master debating prowess" means what you think it does.

What do you think it means, cutie?

The ability to make well-reasoned and defensible points. And flattery will get you nowhere.
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Limbaugh's influence has always been inflated, particularly by liberals like the woman in the video who want an easy target. He called McCain a liberal who was going to destroy the Republican party, but McCain ended up getting the nomination. And as you can see from the video, the former Majority Leader has no problem calling Limbaugh a hack. mysterylobster
Perhaps Limbaugh's influence has been inflated and perhaps it hasn't been. It's clearly something that is debatable though, which means that it was a serious discussion taking place and Armey attacked the PERSON instead of the person's points. What is going to be discussed on those programs is told to both people ahead of time. If Armey thinks that it is a non-issue because Rush's influence is overrated, then he's welcome to say that and present evidence to support his point of view (as your last post did). That would be fine. "I'm so damn glad that you could never be my wife, cause I surely wouldn't have to listen to that prattle from you every day." is not an argument. It is a personal insult from someone specifically LACKING an argument.
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That's not how you deal with a liberal. The proper method is to bend him over your knee and spank his bleeding heart with a leather paddle.

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That's not how you deal with a liberal. The proper method is to bend him over your knee and spank his bleeding heart with a leather paddle.

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Ay papi!
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I think I missed the funny part, was it the part about her not bieng his wife?
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Didn't even bother clicking on the link. Link leading to Russ Limbaugh provided by mysterlobster. That's all I need to know to stay the hell away ;)
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LOL? She blamed "The economy" on Bush? She deserves to be told "give it a rest".
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#37 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

That's not how you deal with a liberal. The proper method is to bend him over your knee and spank his bleeding heart with a leather paddle.

xaos

Ay papi!

Then you say to the liberal, "how do you like my social justice? Shall we get more progressive and break out a studded New Deal? YES WE CAN!"

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LOL? She blamed "The economy" on Bush? She deserves to be told "give it a rest".naydaslayer
It was partially his fault :| All Bush did was deregulate, deregulate and more deregulation instead of keeping a watchful eye on Wall Street. Now the **** has hit the fan and Bush is just lucky it did so at the end of his presidency rather than during it.
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If Rush is someone without any influence on the Republican party, then why did congressman Phil Gingrey have to go on Rush's show and grovel for his forgivness after he publicly disagreed with Rush?

People with no influence do not have U.S. congressmen crawling to then on their hands and knees begging for forgivness.

When it comes right down to it, conservatives only have insults to back up their policy positions, because any real discussion will show how little they really have to offer.

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[QUOTE="naydaslayer"]LOL? She blamed "The economy" on Bush? She deserves to be told "give it a rest".hamstergeddon
It was partially his fault :| All Bush did was deregulate, deregulate and more deregulation instead of keeping a watchful eye on Wall Street. Now the **** has hit the fan and Bush is just lucky it did so at the end of his presidency rather than during it.

First, it's not THE economy, it's an economy. Second the housing market crashed because banks gave out loansthat people couldn't pay off. Money stopped circulating, "trickle down effect" started. Bush just happened to be the president in charge.

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First, it's not THE economy, it's an economy.

naydaslayer
Are you participating in some separate isolated economy? This sort of reminds me of the whole, utterly bogus, "new economy" pundits during the dot com boom.
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="naydaslayer"]LOL? She blamed "The economy" on Bush? She deserves to be told "give it a rest".naydaslayer

It was partially his fault :| All Bush did was deregulate, deregulate and more deregulation instead of keeping a watchful eye on Wall Street. Now the **** has hit the fan and Bush is just lucky it did so at the end of his presidency rather than during it.

First, it's not THE economy, it's an economy. Second the housing market crashed because banks gave out loansthat people couldn't pay off. Money stopped circulating, "trickle down effect" started. Bush just happened to be the president in charge.

Wow. Let's nitpick at word choice shall we And no, Bush didn't just happen to be president when all this was going on. They wouldn't have gotten away with it if Bush hadn't been in office. Bush has actually gotten rid of hundreds of regulatory divisions in the name on budgetary concerns, and if it wasn't for his deregulation, those irresponsible loans would not have gone unnoticed by federal agencies.
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If Rush is someone without any influence on the Republican party, then why did congressman Phil Gingrey have to go on Rush's show and grovel for his forgivness after he publicly disagreed with Rush?KB1ankenship

I still don't see what that has to do with whether Republicans should apologize to Obama for things Rush said. Do you think people in the media don't influence Democrats? Look at Oprah. Would you demand that a Democratic Congressman apologize for something Oprah says? People are saying Armey didn't have an argument, but what sort of argument is "the Republicans lick Limbaugh's boots, and therefore should apologize to Obama for things he says on the air"?

That's a non-argument fueled by phony outrage, the kind that the party of nancy Pelosi specializes in. You can only respond to it by dismissing it as nonsense, and that's what Rep. Armey did. He handled this liberal just fine.

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*snicker* heh heh, Dick Army :P
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[QUOTE="naydaslayer"]

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] It was partially his fault :| All Bush did was deregulate, deregulate and more deregulation instead of keeping a watchful eye on Wall Street. Now the **** has hit the fan and Bush is just lucky it did so at the end of his presidency rather than during it. hamstergeddon

First, it's not THE economy, it's an economy. Second the housing market crashed because banks gave out loansthat people couldn't pay off. Money stopped circulating, "trickle down effect" started. Bush just happened to be the president in charge.

Wow. Let's nitpick at word choice shall we And no, Bush didn't just happen to be president when all this was going on. They wouldn't have gotten away with it if Bush hadn't been in office. Bush has actually gotten rid of hundreds of regulatory divisions in the name on budgetary concerns, and if it wasn't for his deregulation, those irresponsible loans would not have gone unnoticed by federal agencies.

He singe-handedly removed hundered of regulatory divisions? Now I know why people blame him for everything.

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[QUOTE="naydaslayer"]

First, it's not THE economy, it's an economy.

xaos

Are you participating in some separate isolated economy? This sort of reminds me of the whole, utterly bogus, "new economy" pundits during the dot com boom.

Erm, what? Japan has an economy, so does China, UK, US, Canada, Mexico, etc.

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#47 KB1ankenship
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Seeing as Republicans were in full control of the government for 6 of the last 8 years, its pretty hard to say its not their fault. Luckily most of America can see with their own eyes how this happened. Republicans are the champions of de-regulation, they want to de-regulate everything.

They de-regulated the phone companies, and for 20 years, we all got to have crap phone service. They de-regulated the airline industry, and for that we get planes that are un-safe, always late, and price hiking across the board. They de-regulated the banking industry twice, we got to see the S&L collapse almost 20 years ago, and then for their encore, we got the current mess were in. They de-regulated the power and electricity industry, and for that, we got Enron turning power off and price gouging everyone.

The fact is, Republicans are trying to bankrupt the country, it is part of the plan. Republicans do not want the government to provide anything for its citizins, they want everyone to be on their own. Having a belief system of everyone for themselves is just a clever way to say, if your poor, you don't deserve medical care, housing, education, or anything else. By having policies that continue to make it harder and harder for the government to fund any social programs make it very easy to say, see, the government is a failure, we need to get rid of it.

Luckily, the Republicans have shown the entire country what their policies lead to, and luckily, the public now sees the lying liars for what they are.

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#48 hamstergeddon
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="naydaslayer"]

First, it's not THE economy, it's an economy. Second the housing market crashed because banks gave out loansthat people couldn't pay off. Money stopped circulating, "trickle down effect" started. Bush just happened to be the president in charge.

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Wow. Let's nitpick at word choice shall we And no, Bush didn't just happen to be president when all this was going on. They wouldn't have gotten away with it if Bush hadn't been in office. Bush has actually gotten rid of hundreds of regulatory divisions in the name on budgetary concerns, and if it wasn't for his deregulation, those irresponsible loans would not have gone unnoticed by federal agencies.

He singe-handedly removed hundered of regulatory divisions? Now I know why people blame him for everything.

I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not
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[QUOTE="KB1ankenship"]

If Rush is someone without any influence on the Republican party, then why did congressman Phil Gingrey have to go on Rush's show and grovel for his forgivness after he publicly disagreed with Rush?mysterylobster

I still don't see what that has to do with whether Republicans should apologize to Obama for things Rush said. Do you think people in the media don't influence Democrats? Look at Oprah. Would you demand that a Democratic Congressman apologize for something Oprah says? People are saying Armey didn't have an argument, but what sort of argument is "the Republicans lick Limbaugh's boots, and therefore should apologize to Obama for things he says on the air"?

Now, see what you did there? Assertion by mysterylobster: They weren't having a serious discussion so it was okay for Rep Armey to belittle, patronize and attack the woman personally Comment by Jim: They were discussing the level of Rush's influence on the Republican party. Hence, the woman was on point and Armey was out of line Assertion by mysterylobster: Rush's influence on the Republican party is overblown Counterpoint by KB1ankenship: If that's so then why do Republican Congressmen go on his show and grovel to him Tactical Change of Subject by mysterylobster: Republicans shouldn't have to apologize for something Rush said. So in the last dozen posts or so we've established: 1. Mysterylobster's initial argument hinged on Armey's personal attacks being entirely appropriate because they weren't actually having a debate 2. Jim provided evidence that, yes, they were having a debate and the woman was entirely on topic 3. Mysterylobster changed the subject to say that Rush doesn't REALLY have any influence 4. Jim and KB1 both provided evidence that, yes, Rush DOES have influence in the Republican party 5. Mysterylobster, each time when confronted with facts specifically counter-proving what she claimed, switches the subject and moves the goal posts.
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#50 naydaslayer
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[QUOTE="naydaslayer"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Wow. Let's nitpick at word choice shall we And no, Bush didn't just happen to be president when all this was going on. They wouldn't have gotten away with it if Bush hadn't been in office. Bush has actually gotten rid of hundreds of regulatory divisions in the name on budgetary concerns, and if it wasn't for his deregulation, those irresponsible loans would not have gone unnoticed by federal agencies. hamstergeddon

He singe-handedly removed hundered of regulatory divisions? Now I know why people blame him for everything.:roll:

I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not

Not that I blame you, it's kinda hard to read sarcasm.