@luckylucious: Look up Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010. Educate yo arse. Republicans facked us over. They are greedy arse pieces of shat.
@luckylucious: Which they did. Look up Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or Obamacare, is a United States federal statute enacted by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010."
@luckylucious: They might not have passed it, but they still refused Government aid that would have lowered the increases. Thats how greedy Republicans are, they would refuse Tax Payers relief money in which will cost tax payers even more money and make health insurance companies more money.
@luckylucious: They might not have passed it, but they still refused Government aid that would have lowered the increases. Thats how greedy Republicans are, they would refuse Tax Payers relief money in which will cost tax payers even more money and make health insurance companies more money.
@luckylucious: "When they passed Obamacare, they put a bailout fund in Obamacare," Rubio said while addressing frontrunner Donald Trump on Feb. 25, 2016. "All these lobbyists you keep talking about, they put a bailout fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money, to bail out companies when they lost money. We led the effort and wiped out that bailout fund." - Marco Rubio, piece of shat Republican.
@luckylucious: "When they passed Obamacare, they put a bailout fund in Obamacare," Rubio said while addressing frontrunner Donald Trump on Feb. 25, 2016. "All these lobbyists you keep talking about, they put a bailout fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money, to bail out companies when they lost money. We led the effort and wiped out that bailout fund." - Marco Rubio, piece of shat Republican.
Good. I hate bailouts. Nothing free market about it at all.
They dont have a mandate because they dont have a party. Trump is not a republican. He was as much a repudiation of that party as he was the democrats.
@luckylucious: "When they passed Obamacare, they put a bailout fund in Obamacare," Rubio said while addressing frontrunner Donald Trump on Feb. 25, 2016. "All these lobbyists you keep talking about, they put a bailout fund in the law that would allow public money to be used, taxpayer money, to bail out companies when they lost money. We led the effort and wiped out that bailout fund." - Marco Rubio, piece of shat Republican.
Good. I hate bailouts. Nothing free market about it at all.
So I was thinking about the mandate that republicans currently lack, and I came to the conclusion that it truly doesn't matter. This is because they took power through gerrymandering their districts. They didn't get voted in because a majority wanted them, they got voted in because the lines were drawn in such a way that they could ignore the majority.
In normal circumstances politicians would have to concern themselves with what their constituents wanted, but in this case they will be able to count on having their power for nearly a decade or more. Basically this means they can do whatever they want without concern for their jobs. If people come to you wanting something that you don't want to do, and you can honestly say, "Why should I? I'll be re--elected regardless," then having mandates or not truly cease to matter.
"Initial jobless claims have now been below 300,000, a threshold associated with a healthy labor market, for 96 consecutive weeks. That is the longest stretch since 1970, when the labor market was much smaller."
"The labor market is considered to be at or near full employment, with the jobless rate at a nine-year low of 4.6 percent."
"Employers announced 526,915 layoffs last year, down 12 percent from 2015."
The party loyalty here is astounding. Who even defends the ACA anymore? Its a proven failure.
You're telling people to get over a 23% to 45% raise in premiums because "there are reasons to get over it"
It just makes 0 sense.
I wouldn't call it a failure; premiums were rising at a higher rate long before it's implementation, and more people are covered.
With that said, it is far from perfect, but it is also new. But the solution is not to repeal it entirely, we should fix it.
Republicans and Democrats need to work together for once for the sake of the people. I had a friend die (prior to the ACA) because of the wonky insurance principles of this country and businesses, he'd be alive today if the ACA existed back then. Repealing the ACA will literally (not metaphorically) kill Americans, and the government's utmost responsibility is to protect it's citizens at all costs.
Again, and for emphasis: I am not saying it's a perfect system and I am not blindly supporting the Democrats, and the Republicans have some legitimate issues that need to be addressed. But when your puppy pisses on the floor, you don't toss it in the wood-chipper; you train it to be a good dog. We need to fix the ACA, not throw it out. And if we do throw it out, we need a replacement that is better before we do.
anyway, on the aca topic. it'll be interesting if it is repealed what the gop will do in its place. as colin powell said, "you break it, you own it". they'll now own the clusterf--- of a system that is our healthcare.
You're missing my point. Regardless of whether you, or anyone else, accepts the reasons for the ACA, there were reasons given to get over it. Which brings me back to this.
I'm not missing anything actually:
"Obamacare failed because too many carriers simply can't cover expenses, let alone turn a profit, in this rigidly controlled system. Take Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Illinois, the state's dominant Obamacare insurer. Last year, for every dollar the carrier collected, it spent $1.32 buying care and providing services for customers, according to BCBS President Maurice Smith. No wonder BCBS is proposing rate increases from 23 percent to 45 percent for its individual plans.
A question looms: Is Obamacare plunging in a so-called insurance death spiral? Is the market so unstable that plans are doomed to get more and more expensive, driving more Americans and more insurers out of the market until ... Obamacare thuds to the pavement?"
I don't want to hear philosophical statements, I want hard facts on how Obamacare is helping the majority. Which it isn't, raising rates from 23% to 45% isn't a "reason" to get over it. Its simply criminal.
Not to mention the wages lost by people getting their hours cut by companies so they would not have to be in the ACA. This one bill has done great damage to the economy and the people. That is what happens when you pass a bill and don't read it. As Nancy Pelosi said," you have to pass it to see what is in it".
@mrbojangles25: No screw the ACA. Its ruining everyone.
Scrap the entire thing, a majority of Americans don't even want it.
It's actually not "ruining everyone". You need to get your facts in order, see how many lives have been saved and improved, and so forth.
Ruining is also an odd term to use...what is "ruining" to you? Costing money? Living with debilitating diseases without treatment? Dying for no reason other than a few bucks saved?
Concerning the majority not wanting it, that was definitely an unforeseen issue; by "majority" I can only assume you mean the ~10% of people that are uninsured that did not sign up for, specifically the age bracket of 18-30, aka the "invincibles", that feel like they don't need it. That was a weakness and a source of the price increase, but if they could have been bothered to sign up the ACA might have had fewer issues.
You also need to account for the fact that the majority of insured get it through their work, so while they might not want it, they certainly would want it if they found themselves unemployed or working a job without benefits.
The % of uninsured in this country is at a historical low. Obviously the ACA works, we just need it to work better.
@luckylucious: 3. Carriers are raising prices on their own accord bc Obamacare is expensive as it is and they aren't turning a profit, that has nothing to do with Republicans
I don't understand this. Carriers are dropping out because it's to expensive right? But why is it? Is it because people who were sick are now getting the treatment they need. So what's your solution? Let them die? Let them suffer?
Republicans don't have a good answer for me anytime I ask them this. All they say is that they will fix it. But how? The only solution I ever see is that they will allow to buy over state lines I don't understand how that would keep cost down but please explain it to me.
Ruining is also an odd term to use...what is "ruining" to you? Costing money? Living with debilitating diseases without treatment? Dying for no reason other than a few bucks saved?
Concerning the majority not wanting it, that was definitely an unforeseen issue; by "majority" I can only assume you mean the ~10% of people that are uninsured that did not sign up for, The % of uninsured in this country is at a historical low. Obviously the ACA works, we just need it to work better.
The majority doesn't want it, thats a proven fact:
"Remember how we were all supposed to save $2,500 a year in health insurance premiums? Only 4% say they have saved anything, and those respondents are probably wrong. For the vast majority, Obamacare has either done nothing, or has increased the cost of health care, counting premiums, deductibles and co-pays. Good going, Barry!"
So ACA with facts, data, and close following of carriers doesn't work at all? Including with a majority of Americans that don't agree.
@faponte13 said:
@luckylucious: I don't understand this. Carriers are dropping out because it's to expensive right? But why is it? Is it because people who were sick are now getting the treatment they need. So what's your solution? Let them die? Let them suffer?
Privatize healthcare is my solution. I couldn't care less about what happens to people out there, its not my problem, and you shouldn't make it my problem.
It has no bearing on me, don't force me to pay for something any working American with a salary can get for themselves. Enough handouts.
@luckylucious: what about that little girl that has cancer at age 5 should we just let her die too?
What about the people who were getting dropped before Obama care because they were too sick. Or classified things as preexisting. What do do with them?
What about if your disable should we just kill them now and get it over with? Save some money in the process?
@luckylucious: what about that little girl that has cancer at age 5 should we just let her die too?
What about the people who were getting dropped before Obama care because they were too sick. Or classified things as preexisting. What do do with them?
What about if your disable should we just kill them now and get it over with? Save some money in the process?
And none of those people are my responsibilities. Stop making others my responsibility, I simply don't care. Also no one is letting anyone die:
Looks like this crappy program just repealed as well thank god: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4641262/senate-votes-51-48-repeal-obamacare
@luckylucious: what about that little girl that has cancer at age 5 should we just let her die too?
What about the people who were getting dropped before Obama care because they were too sick. Or classified things as preexisting. What do do with them?
What about if your disable should we just kill them now and get it over with? Save some money in the process?
And none of those people are my responsibilities. Stop making others my responsibility, I simply don't care.
Looks like this crappy program just repealed as well thank god: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4641262/senate-votes-51-48-repeal-obamacare
@luckylucious: what about that little girl that has cancer at age 5 should we just let her die too?
What about the people who were getting dropped before Obama care because they were too sick. Or classified things as preexisting. What do do with them?
What about if your disable should we just kill them now and get it over with? Save some money in the process?
Except that goes against all logic. There is medicaid and SS for those scenarios.
ACA doesn't seem to apply to that argument now does it.
That guy has to be a troll no way people are that heartless.
Get over yourself with this self righteousness. You aren't entitled to my money dude, and you have no right to call others selfish when you are draining my money to pay for things you want.
This leech mentality that you're entitled to the fruits of my labor because we're both Americans is the definition of a welfare rat.
@luckylucious: And it does apply the right really doesn't like any of those programs either. I'm sure if it was up to you we would get rid of those as well.
As for those other programs I'd privatize them as well; However, you still have no right to call others selfish when you are draining my money to pay for things you want.
And at the end of the day you're not entitled to anything. Go out and get it instead of leeching off my paycheck.
@luckylucious: never called you selfish buddy but you did call me a leach. Also entitled. Just because you care about others doesn't mean you're a leach or entitled.
@luckylucious: never called you selfish buddy but you did call me a leach. Also entitled. Just because you care about others doesn't mean you're a leach or entitled.
You called me a troll, heartless and implied I was selfish for using your little extreme argument. You wanting to forcefully drain my paycheck after my work-week to pay for things you want, in essence, makes you a leech. Thats a fact lol.
If you're so set on ACA why don't you go out, make the money and pay for others yourself through charity? Why should I be subject to pay for what you want with my money?
@luckylucious: I do have insurance and I don't qualify for Obama care so no aid for me. Nether does my girlfriend. So no leeching here. Aren't you a little heartless. You have to admit it. Just a bit.
@luckylucious: never called you selfish buddy but you did call me a leach. Also entitled. Just because you care about others doesn't mean you're a leach or entitled.
You called me a troll, heartless and implied I was selfish for using your little extreme argument. You wanting to forcefully drain my paycheck after my work-week to pay for things you want, in essence, makes you a leech. Thats a fact lol.
If you're so set on ACA why don't you go out, make the money and pay for others yourself through charity? Why should I be subject to pay for what you want with my money?
..... This is myopic and ignorant view of how this works.. If you were to go broke right now the safety nets that may help him currently would help you.. This is a benefit for everyone and it's what has allowed first world country's to increase in their standard of living.. You are not your own island, you depend off the infrastructure, services, etc etc that are paid through taxes to ensure the country runs like all of us.. IDK why haven't you raised a fuss with the Pentagon losing track of over $6 trillion since the mid 90s?.. At least with this shit if you were to lose your healthcare you would still get ensured.. Your basically squabbling over crumbs off the floor. If you had actually cared about spending you would have looked after numerous policies.. As for the last part, IDK maybe we liking living in a first world country when this kind of shit is expected for all it's citizens?? Or are you one of the Ayn Rand fans that want to build a libertarian paradise?
That guy has to be a troll no way people are that heartless.
This is a man who stated, and later reiterated, that he wouldn't bother to expend the energy to guide a drunk man away from a street to prevent his death.
You are not your own island, you depend off the infrastructure, services,
And I never argued infrastructure. Had you read I've been talking about the ACA.
@faponte13 said:
@luckylucious: Aren't you a little heartless. You have to admit it. Just a bit.
Nope. No one is entitled to my stuff except for the ones I care about.
Yeah but your reasoning about it is typical incredibly oversimplified view of the entire situation.. We already pay for the uninsured, with or with out ACA enforced.. The fact of the matter is the people who are uninsured, under insured, or even have insurance but will not cover something super specific which leads to their bankruptcy has the cost going on the rest of the system.. The reason why people don't bring this up because the next line of reasoning would be to argue on stopping on giving medical help to people who can't afford it, which makes you lose the argument from the outset based upon moral grounds.. What we need is a single payer system like the rest of the west has, which soundly trounces the United States in all categories.. How is it that our health care system cost twice as much as Great Britains for instance per citizen but outdoes our system in every single metric possible? Could it be because that they are not putting a profit incentive before the health of people? Could it be because they ensure every one through the government and focus heavily on preventative healthcare check ups? Republicans in office seem to be not too hung up with the government healthcare they receive.. To suggest that everything must have a profit incentive behind it for basic services to the people are absurd, and if anything it has made things worse in many areas.. Take a look at our police system in which there is indeed a profit incentive with private prisons to incarcerate as many people as they can to ensure the system flourishes, we currently have more prisoners in our system than CHINA.. Yet our country is by no means the safest.
What we need is a single payer system like the rest of the west has,
"Need." That is your opinion, so
We rank 37th in the world of healthcare, yet pay the most.. Figure that one out. I guess your in favor of expensive less efficient system just as long as it makes it look like you have the illusion of choice..
That guy has to be a troll no way people are that heartless.
Get over yourself with this self righteousness. You aren't entitled to my money dude, and you have no right to call others selfish when you are draining my money to pay for things you want.
This leech mentality that you're entitled to the fruits of my labor because we're both Americans is the definition of a welfare rat.
And yet my money protects your country, maintains your roads, educates you, provides a safety net for you if you find yourself in bad straits etc. Seems you can accept money when it suits you.
That guy has to be a troll no way people are that heartless.
Get over yourself with this self righteousness. You aren't entitled to my money dude, and you have no right to call others selfish when you are draining my money to pay for things you want.
This leech mentality that you're entitled to the fruits of my labor because we're both Americans is the definition of a welfare rat.
And yet my money protects your country, maintains your roads, educates you, provides a safety net for you if you find yourself in bad straits etc. Seems you can accept money when it suits you.
Exactly this is the same old Ayn Rand bullshit we have been hearing for decades now.. You know bitch about how the government is taking away your rights in being against social services and the like, while receiving aid from the government (like Ayn Rand did) in the same breath.
And yet my money protects your country, maintains your roads, educates you, provides a safety net for you if you find yourself in bad straits etc. Seems you can accept money when it suits you.
Who was arguing infrastructure? I was mainly arguing healthcare, pfft of course keep those things. All those taxation is theft memes are just funny, of course we need taxes somewhere.
Also everyone wants those things. Not everyone wants universal healthcare.
And yet my money protects your country, maintains your roads, educates you, provides a safety net for you if you find yourself in bad straits etc. Seems you can accept money when it suits you.
Who was arguing infrastructure? I was mainly arguing healthcare, pfft of course keep those things. All those taxation is theft memes are just funny, of course we need taxes somewhere.
Also everyone wants those things. Not everyone wants universal healthcare.
.. Are you for hospitals turning away people who are dying but don't have the money?
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