Rioting going in Baltimore.(update).

@PSP107: why, just because i said he was a nice person but not everyone is makes it stupid?

i am just telling the truth!

Not sure what you are trying here, but as someone else said are you really suggesting that black parents should give up their kids to white people?`because that is just crazy.

But no there is nothing wrong with needing or acknowledging the need, but that is not the solution to the problem or what the problem really is. The problem most black communities face is the systematic and constant hammering they get that they are victims and that the world is out to get them just because of their colour. If they get bad grades and the teacher is white, its because he is a racist prick, its not because of anything they might have done, same goes for when they get older, if they get turned down for a job and the boss is white, its not because they are not good enough, its because of racisme.

And it particular goes against cops and other authorities , when a cop pulls you over, its only because the white cop saw a black guy and is a racist. It´s not because that they might have been suspicious and they act in a certain way because they in their subconscious have that "i am black this cop is white, he is out to get me no matter what" and therefore act in a way a trained cop would spot instantly as highly suspicious.

We know what happens when threads go long enough and people start fighting. Time for:

I drove through Baltimore last year on a unexpected trip (long story)...mapquest took me through downtown Baltimore and by the time I got there it was somewhere around 2am. I was absolutely shocked at what I saw. It was 2am on a weekday and there were kids...KIDS...running around the streets. Women pushing baby carriages yelling at men standing on corners. Prostitutes, druggies, drunks...all sorts of sketchy people stumbling around and screaming at each other.

I've been to some pretty rough areas in places like NY, South Florida, etc...but Baltimore took the cake. I'd rather be stuck in that city from the movie Judgement Night then have to walk around parts of Baltimore at night :p

Hey bro i get you, and I'm sorry if i was rude or insulted you.

Its not the race card I'm playing, i'm just trying to get some of the people here to understand why tensions are high and where the tensions stem from. And also why crime is high in black communities.

Well this guy did and it worked.

I never said that black parents should give up their kids to white parents, this is just another reason why i start insulting people on here. I merely mention one example where a rich white man helped out a community helped get them on their feet and through school.

This guys actions had a positive effect, he could be white black i dont care he helped people who were struggling, and you and that other @#! $ want to discredit that and make it sound negative. So it may not be THE solution but it is a solution. I would like this happen on some level in all poor areas white and black.

As for the rest of your fucking bullshit post, dont try and act like there isn't still white racist cops teachers etc out there making life hard for blacks, if you think that then you are crazy.

This is what happens when you oppress the lower classes. It's not a "black thing" and has got nothing to do with their cultural background whatsoever. The exact same thing is happening in European cities with totally different ethnicities involved. This is capitalism in a nutshell.

@ariabed: No one is suggesting that racism doesn't still exist out there, but people are tired of this same old bullshit of "racism is holding the black community down!"

The gay community these days has it worse than black community as far as I am concerned. They lack equal rights and can lose their livelihood in light of their partners death, they still regularly get attacked and potentially killed for being gay, and the icing on the cake is that there has been a major push to get the gay community their equal rights but it has been the black community that has been the biggest force in pushing AGAINST gay rights. Wasn't it like 70% of the people who voted for that prop 8 in California were black?

There is a huge issue with poor communities not having opportunites but it has jack shit to do with race. I am sick of these things being called a black problem when it encompasses people of all races.

This is what we need, everybody afraid to shoot anybody. It works with nuclear countries, it can work with guns as well.

All this will do is make the poor sections of Baltimore even more poor.

The tourist areas will lose economy due to bad publicity and it will all slowly rot away like all the other poor cities that have suffered rioting.

@Netherscourge: Further poverty will make people more politically aware of what the real problem is.

The exception, dude. This guy's work in Tangelo Park is philanthropic. He's not looking for a return on his money, he's essentially giving his money away to help the community. If that's what it takes to help poor crime-ridden areas, then those places are fucking doomed. Because the fact is that most businesses aren't primarily about philanthropy, they're about making money. And riots are fucking bad for business. The vast majority of job providers see this kind of shit, and they rightfully avoid that place like the plague.

See, this is what's stupid about this whole situation. People are like, "the system is messed up" because of the actions of a few cops, but the fact of the matter is that police misconduct is largely a symptom of high crime, and high crime is a symptom of shitty education and lack of job opportunities. The actions of the cops are a symptom of the fact that the community is shit. So these people's solution is to wreck their community and make it even shittier? Yeah, that's TOTALLY gonna encourage businesses to move in and provide more job opportunities so that people have less incentive to resort to crime.

so that's the plan? **** up the place even more to get political attention? since when do politicians pay attention to the poor?

Lynch will send her emissaries, they will investigate, they might convict the police officers responsible and they might even investigate the police department as a whole. At the end this won't address the underlying problems plaguing this and many others communities like it: lack of jobs, poor education, etc.

And the world will go round' and round'. And that is that.

@comp_atkins: The rioters have problably made the calculation that their society has already reached the bottom. Any further downgrading is therefore proportionally better compared to the attention the riot brings to the issue at hand (which is: targeting rich reactionaries and hamper their excesses).

Giving rioters too much credit.

@Master_Live: It doesn't have to be a conscious act. The fact that they're destroying their own communities tells you something about the percieved value of said communities. The fact that riots like this are common worldwide when wealth differences becomes too great also tells you that it's not something that can be explained by standard capitalist reactionary arguments like: "they're just stupid" or "they deserve to be poor because they're lazy".

sooo they're rioting over weath inequality or police brutality?

@comp_atkins:

If there was no wealth inequality, the police brutality wouldn't be as damaging. The first doesn't have to exclude the latter. It's most certainly the feeling of powerlessness that has ignited this whole controversy. Rich white people would tackle racially aimed police brutality through courts. This option is severely limited when it comes to people with virtually no money.

They are stupid. The problem isn't the cops, it's that their community is shit (you said yourself that they clearly don't have a very high perceived value of said community). They then try to solve that problem by making their community even shittier, and driving away any potential money which could have made their community less shitty.

Again, these problems with the cops generally tend to be in high crime areas, and those areas have high crime because of shitty education and lack of legitimate job opportunities. The solution is to bring money and jobs INTO the community, not to drive it out.

Burning down a slave plantation would in most cases result in nominally lower living standards for the slaves. The question is what this decrease in living standards achieves. Sure, some would say that if the slaves simply behaved and did their tasks perfectly they wouldn't experience problems and would probably be a lot better of. An adjoining question would then be if it's perhaps the situation itself that is worth rioting over regardless of the potential of statistically better living standards.

This is of course an analogy. It's purpose is not to compare the two situations directly but rather to highlight the reasoning. The problems are certainly similar but the contrasts are not as easily visible.

I don't understand the oversimplification of the problem. Rioting is never good. It serves no immediate benefit to the victims or the people part taking in the acts. However, it would be foolish to ignore the fact that it is a symptom to a larger problem. This casual racist view of black people in the US is the core of the problem. Things have gotten better but why are we pretending that the institutionalized racism and prejudice towards black people doesn't still perpetuate today? The bulk of the problems what we are seeing are the side effects of decades of planned demoralizing and destruction of black people. Most people are not aware of these mechanisms which have played and still played a roll in the breakdown in most black communities. If you subject a group of people over and over and over to negativity and undermine their development for several generations what do you expect is going to happen? When you create an environment of hopelessness irrationality grows.

Lashing out with racial slurs and suggesting to kill them all is not the solution. That has been part of the problem for the past several decades. Dehumanize black people, undermine their development and propagate a negative image of them using the media and you can now justify immoral behavior towards them.

I used to be annoyed with the things I read and encounter with black Americans until I decided to research the why. The why in all of this paints a very disturbing picture that NO ONE is addressing. For a group of people that were critical to the establishment of the country they have gotten the broken and soiled end of the stick for many many years and they still do. Until leaders; black and white, actually deal with the problem and not the symptoms, this shit is going to keep happening over and over again.

It relates to the past but using the past for fueling anger is not going to do anyone any good.

No, it's not worth rioting over regardless of the potential of statistically better living standards. Again, they're supposedly rioting over perceived injustices concerning the state of their community (though I'm sure some people just want an excuse to riot for the hell of it). If the riot only serves to exacerbate the problems which led to rioting in the first place, then rioting is a self-defeating act.

Ok, you didn´t mean it but the way you wrote made it sound like it. Anyways i see your point and it does have a bit of merit.

As to racisme, i never wrote that there isn't morons out there, I said that not all cops, all teachers, all white people are racist pricks who just want to keep the black man down. And that is the idea you get from some black community leaders like Sharpton and others, not to mention that the whole atmosphere they grow up in where there is always a racist reason for what ever happens to them.

So you should not act like everyone is a freaking racist, not to mention that the whole racisme term is so watered down that it soon as lost its meaning.

Well said, agree 100%.

Bullshit, most of them just want to **** shit up and beat the living tar out of random white bystanders.

They are the only ones being super racist.

I roughly went through the 5 pages of this topic and this is the best thing that has been said so far- Aljosa's posting being a close contender.

But it is imprecise to reject the racial factor. The immiseration of the lower classes can ultimately be the cause of rioting, but its hard to deny its disproportionate prevalence among black communities in the U.S. The fact that the exact same thing is happening in Europe with different enthnicities involved points out to a reality in which racism afflicts different races.

I'm not rejecting your premise that capitalism immiserates the lower classes; it, however, hasn't reached a sufficient volume in the U.S and Europe to result in the acute destitution afflicting ethnic minorities. Capitalist immiseration afflicts everyone, but in the case of racial minorities it is compounded with racism which methodically wields economic oppression against targeted races as a part of their marginalization.

then they're attacking the wrong neighbourhoods....

The thing about civil unrest is that once you let the genie out of the bottle, you throw rationality out the window. The act of rioting serves no other purpose but to literally see it all burns-its decompressing en masse

Well, umm....'a bunch of French nobles' stir any thoughts?

Nobody will give the rioters respect or listen to them. They will be looked at as criminals and they will only hurt their local economies and lock down their poverty even more.

The media focuses on the violence and the rioters go out of their way to be violent and get that attention. But it's not raising empathy for the rioters or protesters, it's building more animosity and hatred for them.

Yea, rioting gets people's attentions - it confirms peoples' prejudices and fears toward minorities. And over-zealous police officers will continue to overreact to their transgressions.

If they had that in the first place there would be no reason for any rioting.

again,, then they're fucking up the wrong neighborhood :P

Bunch of thugs destroying/looting their city. Disgusting. It's amazing how group-think or groups can act out so violently while in the moment compared to singular attitudes. Unfortunately, the thugs who caused all this havoc took the narrative away from the peaceful protests and made the city frontline news. Congratulations on showing the world what a bunch of asshats you all are, and furthermore, congratulations on destroying any credibility/sympathy you had or were going to get.

Its just sick and disgusting. These thugs think they are good for their people, but all they are doing is destroying their community and everything they have worked hard for. They want sympathy? Well, the only sympathy they will get is a spanking from their parents just like this kid

Well the anger and tension had to reach a climax eventually.

I'm not sure why capitalism is being brought up in this thread at all. The riots are a result of perceived injustices being committed by the Baltimore Police Department. Nothing else.

Respect is earned. They can start by pulling up their pants, stop glorifying violence and ignorance, stop insulting and demeaning their own people who try to take their education and life seriously as trying to "act white", and stop breeding like fucking rabbits. One of the core problems with the black culture is single moms raising several different kids, sometimes each one having a different father. I can sum up the absolute worst problem the black community has in two words...

Baby Daddy. When they erase that phrase from their vocabulary, they'll make immediate progress. Honest change needs to occur from within their community before things will get better. Throwing money at the problem will absolutely not do a damn thing if the repulsive culture in place stays put. The conversation has to start at changing black culture, if it doesn't, then it's a non-starter.

TLDR: Stop listening to Sharpton, Jackson, etc. they directly profit from keeping blacks stuck as victims.

Innocent people are getting beaten by thugs.

@dylandr:

That's not it.

Slavery, capitalism, gun control all got brought into this for 0 reason.

I was being a little facetious: I know why it's being brought up. It shouldn't be, though.

Yeah, we're in agreement.

He described how he and some Bloods members stood in front of stores that they knew were black-owned business, to protect them from looting and vandalism. He said they made sure no black youths, or reporters, were injured by rioters.

Instead, he said, they pointed the rioters toward Chinese- and Arab-owned stores.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/confrontation-in-baltimore/church-leaders-gang-members-meet/

and black people were just set back another year from reaching social equality.

If blacks as a whole want racial equality they need to realize that black culture is rotten to it's core.

So by the sounds of it, its quite possible that Baltimore is just gonna wind up being like another Detroit Michigan? That's no good. Seemed Like Baltimore had great opportunities.

You know, I just feel like throwing this out there, a next possible city target that might break out and suffer from riots is Springfield MA. That place is the definition of dump.

Just need to start whistling "The Farmer in the Dell".

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Lost me too.