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These riots are the ineivtable consequence of rampant hate free speech

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@silentchief said:
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Unfortunately, England is full of braindead idiots. The murderer was neither a Muslim nor an African immigrant who came on a boat. He was a British-born Christian choir boy whose parents happen to be from Rwanda. So how do English right-wingers respond? They go attack mosques, go on riots attacking the police, looting shops, burning down homes and police stations, and attacking random black or brown people on the streets.

Ironically, it's mainly heavily white English areas that are being smashed up by these rioters. Most places with large non-white or non-English populations are relatively safe, because these racist English rioters are cowards who know they'd get their heads smashed in if they ever tried that shit in a place with a large non-white or non-English population.

Ohhh so like the black people in the US who destroy their cities and stay out of white suberbs because they know they would become target practice?

Pretty much this.

The few who have common sense do not engage in such destruction and let others do this to themselves.

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#103  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@sargentd said:
@Maroxad said:

These riots are the ineivtable consequence of rampant hate free speech

Fixed it

Imagine if their was some sort of super famous example of this that Jag could jump to as reference.

Something in the 1940s? Where a certain group of people were blamed for all of Germanys problems?

Memories a blank.

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@Jag85 said:
@silentchief said:
@Jag85 said:

Unfortunately, England is full of braindead idiots. The murderer was neither a Muslim nor an African immigrant who came on a boat. He was a British-born Christian choir boy whose parents happen to be from Rwanda. So how do English right-wingers respond? They go attack mosques, go on riots attacking the police, looting shops, burning down homes and police stations, and attacking random black or brown people on the streets.

Ironically, it's mainly heavily white English areas that are being smashed up by these rioters. Most places with large non-white or non-English populations are relatively safe, because these racist English rioters are cowards who know they'd get their heads smashed in if they ever tried that shit in a place with a large non-white or non-English population.

Ohhh so like the black people in the US who destroy their cities and stay out of white suberbs because they know they would become target practice?

Yet more whataboutism. Two wrongs don't make a right. The irony is that the same right-wingers who were calling for BLM rioters to be shot... have completely changed their tune when it comes to white English rioters. Almost as if these right-wingers have no intrinsic values other than hatred of black or brown people.

I love the whataboutism excuses 🤣. It's basically saying.. ohhh shit your right but I just want to see things from my perspective right now.

The same right wingers? Why don't you point me to them? I haven't really said anything about this subject because I don't know enough about politics in the UK to really care.

I have noticed leftist have a common issue throughout the US and Europe. A pathetic self loathing white guilt complex where they are too scared to identify any threat that isn't white. It's why a large portion of your base supports Hamas a literal terror organization because the Jews have lighter skin. If I was a leftist I'd keep my mouth shut about racism since you have the younger members of your party calling for the death of Jews all across college campuses in the West

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#105  Edited By Jag85
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@silentchief said:
@Jag85 said:
@silentchief said:
@Jag85 said:

Unfortunately, England is full of braindead idiots. The murderer was neither a Muslim nor an African immigrant who came on a boat. He was a British-born Christian choir boy whose parents happen to be from Rwanda. So how do English right-wingers respond? They go attack mosques, go on riots attacking the police, looting shops, burning down homes and police stations, and attacking random black or brown people on the streets.

Ironically, it's mainly heavily white English areas that are being smashed up by these rioters. Most places with large non-white or non-English populations are relatively safe, because these racist English rioters are cowards who know they'd get their heads smashed in if they ever tried that shit in a place with a large non-white or non-English population.

Ohhh so like the black people in the US who destroy their cities and stay out of white suberbs because they know they would become target practice?

Yet more whataboutism. Two wrongs don't make a right. The irony is that the same right-wingers who were calling for BLM rioters to be shot... have completely changed their tune when it comes to white English rioters. Almost as if these right-wingers have no intrinsic values other than hatred of black or brown people.

I love the whataboutism excuses 🤣. It's basically saying.. ohhh shit your right but I just want to see things from my perspective right now.

The same right wingers? Why don't you point me to them? I haven't really said anything about this subject because I don't know enough about politics in the UK to really care.

I have noticed leftist have a common issue throughout the US and Europe. A pathetic self loathing white guilt complex where they are too scared to identify any threat that isn't white. It's why a large portion of your base supports Hamas a literal terror organization because the Jews have lighter skin. If I was a leftist I'd keep my mouth shut about racism since you have tye younger members of your party calling for the Death of Jews all across college campuses in the West

Yet more whataboutism nonsense, one that I've already debunked:

@Jag85 said:

What a completely irrational whataboutism post. The countless millions of students protesting for Palestine around the world have been protesting against genocide. Israel is a genocidal Nazi-like state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing that any decent human being would protest. Yet none of the pro-Palestine student protesters ever resorted to violent rioting or looting on the streets after ten months.

In contrast, look at what these Israeli-funded far-right "protestors" have done in the UK after just a couple of days: they've rioted on the streets, called for genocide and the eradication of all black and brown people, attacked mosques, violently assaulted many ethnic minorities and police officers, set police vehicles and police stations on fire, set asylum houses on fire, smashed up and looted many local businesses, etc. And all this just a week after the UK's new Labour government decided to stop supporting the Hitler-like Netanyahu.

Israel is a literal genocidal terror state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing. Not only is it committing literal genocide in Palestine, but it's also funding violent far-right racist rioters calling for the genocide of all black and brown people in Britain:

@Jag85 said:

EDL ring leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon ("Tommy Robinson") is being funded by multiple foreign interests. The main culprits appear to be based in Israel, India and Russia:

  • "Tommy" is heavily funded by Israeli thinktanks. He himself cites the pro-Palestine protests across the UK as his main motive for inciting the UK far-right riots. The Twitter user you posted briefly mentions it.
  • The tweet that kicked off the riots, alleging the murderer was a Muslim immigrant who came on a boat, has been traced back to India. That country's far-right BJP government hates Pakistanis/Muslims so much that they're willing to support the English far-right and put British Indians in harm's way by doing so.
  • As for Russia, it would be in their best interests to destabilize the UK. After all, the US and UK are Russia's biggest enemies.
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@Jag85 said:
@silentchief said:
@Jag85 said:
@silentchief said:
@Jag85 said:

Unfortunately, England is full of braindead idiots. The murderer was neither a Muslim nor an African immigrant who came on a boat. He was a British-born Christian choir boy whose parents happen to be from Rwanda. So how do English right-wingers respond? They go attack mosques, go on riots attacking the police, looting shops, burning down homes and police stations, and attacking random black or brown people on the streets.

Ironically, it's mainly heavily white English areas that are being smashed up by these rioters. Most places with large non-white or non-English populations are relatively safe, because these racist English rioters are cowards who know they'd get their heads smashed in if they ever tried that shit in a place with a large non-white or non-English population.

Ohhh so like the black people in the US who destroy their cities and stay out of white suberbs because they know they would become target practice?

Yet more whataboutism. Two wrongs don't make a right. The irony is that the same right-wingers who were calling for BLM rioters to be shot... have completely changed their tune when it comes to white English rioters. Almost as if these right-wingers have no intrinsic values other than hatred of black or brown people.

I love the whataboutism excuses 🤣. It's basically saying.. ohhh shit your right but I just want to see things from my perspective right now.

The same right wingers? Why don't you point me to them? I haven't really said anything about this subject because I don't know enough about politics in the UK to really care.

I have noticed leftist have a common issue throughout the US and Europe. A pathetic self loathing white guilt complex where they are too scared to identify any threat that isn't white. It's why a large portion of your base supports Hamas a literal terror organization because the Jews have lighter skin. If I was a leftist I'd keep my mouth shut about racism since you have tye younger members of your party calling for the Death of Jews all across college campuses in the West

Yet more whataboutism nonsense, one that I've already debunked:

@Jag85 said:

What a completely irrational whataboutism post. The countless millions of students protesting for Palestine around the world have been protesting against genocide. Israel is a genocidal Nazi-like state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing that any decent human being would protest. Yet none of the pro-Palestine student protesters ever resorted to violent rioting or looting on the streets after ten months.

In contrast, look at what these Israeli-funded far-right "protestors" have done in the UK after just a couple of days: they've rioted on the streets, called for genocide and the eradication of all black and brown people, attacked mosques, violently assaulted many ethnic minorities and police officers, set police vehicles and police stations on fire, set asylum houses on fire, smashed up and looted many local businesses, etc. And all this just a week after the UK's new Labour government decided to stop supporting the Hitler-like Netanyahu.

Israel is a literal genocidal terror state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing. Not only is it committing literal genocide in Palestine, but it's also funding violent far-right racist rioters calling for the genocide of all black and brown people in Britain. F**k Israel and f**k their far-right fascist employee "Tommy Robinson" (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon).

How bout F*** Palestine and F*** Isreal.

F*** Em!!

Join my cause!! It's the truth!!

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@sargentd: Or let's just stick to the topic instead of talking about other stuff like BLM, Israel/Palestine, Russia, etc.

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@Jag85: I remember hearing about Israel, India and Russia funding these groups in the UK before, but I never saw a source for it, do you have one?

I know Colonizer states (Israel and Russia) tend to do scummy practices worldwide. So it is not that I disbelieve you.

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This Tommy Robinson fellow has really gotten under the government/medias skin

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@Maroxad said:

@Jag85: I remember hearing about Israel, India and Russia funding these groups in the UK before, but I never saw a source for it, do you have one?

I know Colonizer states (Israel and Russia) tend to do scummy practices worldwide. So it is not that I disbelieve you.

Pro-Israel think tank funds Tommy Robinson’s legal costs (Middle East Monitor)

Why are US ‘pro-Israel’ groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? (Times of Israel)

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson (The Guardian)

Fake viral tweet about "Ali Al-Shakati" traced back to India (X/Twitter)

The obscure Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet fuelling violence on Britain’s streets (The Telegraph)

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@sargentd: Much of the British media and the previous Tory government were espousing much of the rhetoric as "Tommy Robinson" (fake name). But now that things have gotten out of hand, they need a "fall guy" to take the blame for it. It's basically controlled opposition.

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@Jag85 said:
@Maroxad said:

@Jag85: I remember hearing about Israel, India and Russia funding these groups in the UK before, but I never saw a source for it, do you have one?

I know Colonizer states (Israel and Russia) tend to do scummy practices worldwide. So it is not that I disbelieve you.

Pro-Israel think tank funds Tommy Robinson’s legal costs (Middle East Monitor)

Why are US ‘pro-Israel’ groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? (Times of Israel)

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson (The Guardian)

Fake viral tweet about "Ali Al-Shakati" traced back to India (X/Twitter)

The obscure Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet fuelling violence on Britain’s streets (The Telegraph)

Thanks for the links.

Damn that is bad. I knew Robinson had some russian ties, but this is even worse than I remember.

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@sargentd: You really hate facts but you sure love conspiracy theories and hate groups.😂

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Sarge' peeps.

https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1821152097909293377

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Sarge's youtube sources are always top.

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@kathaariancode said:

Sarge's youtube sources are always top.

The algorithm has him tuned.😬

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#117  Edited By Jag85
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Where were all these riots when an innocent black child was barbarically murdered by a white man with a sword just a few months ago?

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@Jag85:

Israel is a literal genocidal terror state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing. Not only is it committing literal genocide in Palestine, but it's also funding violent far-right racist rioters calling for the genocide of all black and brown people in Britain:

Holy shit you really are just a far left nutjob and a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Nazis were created because they despised them and now you are claiming they are backing alt-right supremacist groups? Really?

You do understand the true alt-right despise the Jews above all else correct?

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@Maroxad said:
@Jag85 said:
@Maroxad said:

@Jag85: I remember hearing about Israel, India and Russia funding these groups in the UK before, but I never saw a source for it, do you have one?

I know Colonizer states (Israel and Russia) tend to do scummy practices worldwide. So it is not that I disbelieve you.

Pro-Israel think tank funds Tommy Robinson’s legal costs (Middle East Monitor)

Why are US ‘pro-Israel’ groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? (Times of Israel)

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson (The Guardian)

Fake viral tweet about "Ali Al-Shakati" traced back to India (X/Twitter)

The obscure Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet fuelling violence on Britain’s streets (The Telegraph)

Thanks for the links.

Damn that is bad. I knew Robinson had some russian ties, but this is even worse than I remember.

Why are you thanking him for links that are far left Bullshit?

I swear for a side that claims to care about facts you all spout alot of nonsense.

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@Pedro said:
@kathaariancode said:

Sarge's youtube sources are always top.

The algorithm has him tuned.😬

Jag85's aren't any better.

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@Pedro said:
@kathaariancode said:

Sarge's youtube sources are always top.

The algorithm has him tuned.😬

It's Glenn Beck ffs, most milk toast conservative.

Also it's an interview..

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@silentchief said:
@Maroxad said:
@Jag85 said:
@Maroxad said:

@Jag85: I remember hearing about Israel, India and Russia funding these groups in the UK before, but I never saw a source for it, do you have one?

I know Colonizer states (Israel and Russia) tend to do scummy practices worldwide. So it is not that I disbelieve you.

Pro-Israel think tank funds Tommy Robinson’s legal costs (Middle East Monitor)

Why are US ‘pro-Israel’ groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? (Times of Israel)

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson (The Guardian)

Fake viral tweet about "Ali Al-Shakati" traced back to India (X/Twitter)

The obscure Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet fuelling violence on Britain’s streets (The Telegraph)

Thanks for the links.

Damn that is bad. I knew Robinson had some russian ties, but this is even worse than I remember.

Why are you thanking him for links that are far left Bullshit?

I swear for a side that claims to care about facts you all spout alot of nonsense.

They going to Julian Assange this Tommy Robinson guy! Lol

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@silentchief said:

@Jag85:

Israel is a literal genocidal terror state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing. Not only is it committing literal genocide in Palestine, but it's also funding violent far-right racist rioters calling for the genocide of all black and brown people in Britain:

Holy shit you really are just a far left nutjob and a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Holy shit you're an ignorant American nutjob and a perfect example of ignorant Yanks who know jack about the world outside America. If you think I'm a left-winger, then you might want to ask some other users I've previously debated (e.g. Pedro) about how anti-left I am on other topics. But of course, anything to the left of the far-right must be "far left" to US right-wingers like you.

Nazis were created because they despised them and now you are claiming they are backing alt-right supremacist groups? Really?

You do understand the true alt-right despise the Jews above all else correct?

This is exactly what I mean about Yanks being so damn ignorant about the world outside America. You're conflating the US alt-right with the European far-right, who are two completely different groups with entirely different goals. The US alt-right is anti-Israel and anti-Zionist. In contrast, the modern European far-right is very pro-Israel and pro-Zionist. The reason is simple: "an enemy's enemy is a friend." The largest immigrant groups in modern Europe come from Muslim and/or Arab backgrounds (in contrast to the US where most immigrants are Mexicans/Latinos). European fascists despise Muslim/Arab immigrants. Israel is committing genocide against a Muslim/Arab population, therefore they consider Israel their friends, because they want to replicate the Palestine genocide in Europe.

It's not the 1940s anymore. European fascists are willing to temporarily align with a group they hate (Jews) in order to attack another group they hate even more (Muslims/Arabs). But if European fascists succeed in eliminating Arabs/Muslims, then there's no doubt they'd attack Jews next. So the European far right is still an existential threat to European Jews. As for Israel, the far-right Netanyahu government don't care about the safety of European Jews. They'd be happy to sacrifice their safety if it means securing Israel's continued occupation of Palestine. No different to how India's far-right BJP government are also in cahoots with the UK far right even if it means sacrificing the safety of British Indians, or how Arab/Muslim dictators are in cahoots with the US and Israel even if it means sacrificing Palestinians/Arabs. They all have their own interests.

@silentchief said:
@Maroxad said:
@Jag85 said:
@Maroxad said:

@Jag85: I remember hearing about Israel, India and Russia funding these groups in the UK before, but I never saw a source for it, do you have one?

I know Colonizer states (Israel and Russia) tend to do scummy practices worldwide. So it is not that I disbelieve you.

Pro-Israel think tank funds Tommy Robinson’s legal costs (Middle East Monitor)

Why are US ‘pro-Israel’ groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? (Times of Israel)

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson (The Guardian)

Fake viral tweet about "Ali Al-Shakati" traced back to India (X/Twitter)

The obscure Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet fuelling violence on Britain’s streets (The Telegraph)

Thanks for the links.

Damn that is bad. I knew Robinson had some russian ties, but this is even worse than I remember.

Why are you thanking him for links that are far left Bullshit?

I swear for a side that claims to care about facts you all spout alot of nonsense.

Yet more Yank ignorance... The "mediabiasfactcheck" is a completely worthless website that has zero validity for anything outside of America. It's fairly reliable for US sources, but has zero credibility for non-US sources. No one outside America takes that website seriously.

Yet even by your own logic, The Times of Israel is "highly" reliable according to your own "mediabiasfactcheck" website (lol). The Times of Israel is reporting exactly the same thing that Middle East Monitor reported: "Tommy Robinson" is being funded by thinktanks linked to Israel. Clearly, you've never even heard the name "Tommy Robinson" until today, but he's been well-known to Brits for a decade. "Tommy Robinson" has always an Israel fanboy who loves Israel because they're fighting Arabs/Muslims. His EDL organization was even named the "Jewish Defence League" at one point. He's been posting live feeds saying the Palestine protests are what triggered him to incite violent far-right riots. You don't know any of this because you're just an ignorant Yank who knows nothing about UK politics. Stay in your lane.

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@Jag85 said:
@silentchief said:

@Jag85:

Israel is a literal genocidal terror state founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing. Not only is it committing literal genocide in Palestine, but it's also funding violent far-right racist rioters calling for the genocide of all black and brown people in Britain:

Holy shit you really are just a far left nutjob and a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Holy shit you're an ignorant American nutjob and a perfect example of ignorant Yanks who know jack about the world outside America. Stick to US politics, since you're clearly out of your depth on anything that happens outside America.

If you think I'm a left-winger, then you might want to ask some other users I've previously debated with (e.g. Pedro) about how anti-left I am on other topics. But of course, anything to the left of far-right fascism must be "far left" to Yanks like you.

Nazis were created because they despised them and now you are claiming they are backing alt-right supremacist groups? Really?

You do understand the true alt-right despise the Jews above all else correct?

This is exactly what I mean about Yanks being so damn ignorant about the world outside America. You're conflating the US alt-right with the European far-right, who are two completely different groups with entirely different goals. The US alt-right is anti-Israel and anti-Zionist. In contrast, the European far right is very pro-Israel and pro-Zionist. The reason is simple: "an enemy's enemy is a friend." The largest immigrant groups in Europe come from Muslim and/or Arab backgrounds. European fascists despise Muslim/Arab immigrants. Israel is committing genocide against a Muslim/Arab population, therefore they consider Israel their friends, because they want to replicate the Palestine genocide in Europe.

@silentchief said:
@Maroxad said:
@Jag85 said:

Pro-Israel think tank funds Tommy Robinson’s legal costs (Middle East Monitor)

Why are US ‘pro-Israel’ groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? (Times of Israel)

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson (The Guardian)

Fake viral tweet about "Ali Al-Shakati" traced back to India (X/Twitter)

The obscure Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet fuelling violence on Britain’s streets (The Telegraph)

Thanks for the links.

Damn that is bad. I knew Robinson had some russian ties, but this is even worse than I remember.

Why are you thanking him for links that are far left Bullshit?

I swear for a side that claims to care about facts you all spout alot of nonsense.

Yet more Yank ignorance... The "mediabiasfactcheck" is a completely worthless website that has zero validity for anything outside of America. It's reliable for US sources, but has zero credibility for non-US sources. No one outside America takes that website seriously.

Yet even by your own logic, The Times of Israel is "highly" reliable according to your own "mediabiasfactcheck" website (lol). The Times of Israel is reporting exactly the same thing that Middle East Monitor reported: "Tommy Robinson" is being funded by Israeli thinktanks. Clearly, you've never even heard the name "Tommy Robinson" until today, but he's been well-known to Brits for a decade. "Tommy Robinson" has always an Israel fanboy who loves Israel because they're fighting Arabs/Muslims. His EDL organization was even named the "Jewish Defence League" at one point. He's been posting live feeds saying the Palestine protests are what triggered him to incite violent far-right riots. You don't know any of this because you're just an ignorant Yank who knows nothing about UK politics. Stay in your lane.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard...they can only judge American news sites. Really?

Yes I have heard of Tommy Robinson actually. But I'd hate to tell you he isn't the biggest threat to your society. Not everyone rose up in the UK because they listened to Tommy Robinson. The dumb ass lefties have gone out of their way to support mass migration and silence everyone who had an Issue with it. Now their finding out what happens with the results of that.

Muslim grooming gangs were made up fiction by alt right nutjobs.... Oh wait.

UK crime is hitting record Highs

Knowing about UK politics has nothing to do with the dumb shit you just posted. Much of the criticism toward jews has been that they destabilize society's by supporting mass immigration. Ironically enough they get much of that criticism In the US so how does it make sense that they are supporting an alt right guy who hates it? Are they flip flopping now because they realized young leftist hate them more? I just want you to explain the logic to me.

I personally could give two shits about Israel but dam if it isn't amusing watch the leftist go full on " Jew hate mode" in a short time period. 🤣🤣

Ps: I've read your edit explaining the difference between the American and European far- right. Yet somehow you are ignoring the fact that Hamas attacked Israel and killed women and children. Defending yourself isn't Genocide.

You seem to just be anti- white in general and subscribe to the nonsense that white supremacy is some major global threat.

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#125 Jag85
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they can only judge American news sites. Really?

"mediabiasfactcheck" is based in the US, so of course it's biased towards US interests. That's just common sense, my man. If you want to learn about what's happening abroad, then you go to sources outside the US, not get your info from US sources.

Yes I have heard of Tommy Robinson actually. But I'd hate to tell you isn't the biggest threat to your society. Not everyone rose up in the UK because they listened to Tommy Robinson.

"Tommy Robinson" (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) is the guy who incited the riots.

The dumb ass lefties have gone out of their way to support mass migration and silence everyone who had an Issue with it. Now their finding out what happens with the results of that.

The UK had been under a right-wing Tory government for 14 years. They had 14 years to stop mass immigration, yet did nothing. They even pushed through Brexit under the pretence that it would stop mass immigration... Yet mass immigration has only increased after Brexit. If the right-wing Tories were serious about stopping mass immigration, then they would've already stopped it a decade ago. Yet they didn't. Does that make any sense to you? If you have any critical thinking, then you're realize by now that you're being deceived by right-wing politicians. Hell, even in your own country America, Trump failed to reduce mass immigration from Mexico during his four years in power. Why do you think that is? Could it possibly be that right-wing politicians are actually liars... Clearly, mass immigration is good for them. Because then they can use immigrants as scapegoats to blame all of society's ills. It's a win-win for right-wing politicians.

Much of the criticism toward jews has been that they destabilize society's by supporting mass immigration.

That just means right-wingers hate black and brown people more than they hate Jews. Even their biggest criticism against Jews nowadays is that they're somehow responsible for bringing in all these black and brown immigrants... And yet most of those immigrants come from places that are mostly anti-Israel. Which makes the conspiracy theory quite ridiculous.

Ironically enough they get much of that criticism In the US so how does it make sense that they are supporting an alt right guy who hates it? Are they flip flopping now because they realized young leftist hate them more? I just want you to Explain the logic to me.

I already explained the logic to you: "an enemy's enemy is a friend." The European far right is still full of antisemites, but they just so happen to hate Muslim/Arab/African immigrants more than they hate Jews. Because Israel is at war against Arab and Muslim nations, they view Israel as a temporary ally against a common foe.

I personally could give two shits about Israel but dam if it isn't amusing watch the leftist

Bruv, do you know how to read? I already said I'm not a leftist. Using the same strawman argument twice just makes you sound illiterate.

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Three pages and I have not seen a valid defense of these criminal and flat out unacceptable riots. The painful twist that the riots are based off of a confirmed lie make it all the more heartbreaking. They should be denounced without exception. Just like the 2020 Summer Riots and just like the January 6th attack. Just denounce all three like a rational adult.

This threads specifically is about the UK Riots, so start with those. Don't make excuses for mindless violence born from falsehoods.

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This Tommy Robinson fellow has really gotten under the government/medias skin

I am not sure who is to blame. I just hope these far right race wars riots stop ASAP. It's not good. No adult with a proper brain should be anything but against these.

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Being a racist that gathers racists tend to do that, Sarge.

You've unlocked the key, this Tommy guy (real name), what a maverick.

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It might be all over thankfully.

Police were expecting over 100 protests today 07/08/2024 and the thugs failed to turn up. Instead, thousands of people in towns and cities across the UK came out in solidarity against them in huge anti-racist protest, all of which were largely peaceful.

'Civil War' my arse Elon Musk!

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Being a racist that gathers racists tend to do that, Sarge.

You've unlocked the key, this Tommy guy (real name), what a maverick.

No no no, you missed the point. The point is that we should let racist grifters amass followers and do what they want, that way they can just ruin our lives and we just gotta be chill about it so they don't get "under our skin".

Nevermind the fact he is a.) a criminal and escaped bail (iirc) and b.) a literal paid Russian agent.

Just for reinforcement, highly recommend listening to the Knowledge Fight podcast where Tommy Whateverhisnameis was a guest on Alex Jones' show. These people are INSANE.

Skip to like 35:00 or so for the interview.

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#130  Edited By Silentchief
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@Jag85:

"Tommy Robinson" (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) is the guy who incited the riots.

Why is he resonating with so many people though?

@Jag85

The UK had been under a right-wing Tory government for 14 years. They had 14 years to stop mass immigration, yet did nothing. They even pushed through Brexit under the pretence that it would stop mass immigration... Yet mass immigration has only increased after Brexit. If the right-wing Tories were serious about stopping mass immigration, then they would've already stopped it a decade ago. Yet they didn't. Does that make any sense to you? If you have any critical thinking, then you're realize by now that you're being deceived by right-wing politicians. Hell, even in your own country America, Trump failed to reduce mass immigration from Mexico during his four years in power. Why do you think that is? Could it possibly be that right-wing politicians are actually liars... Clearly, mass immigration is good for them. Because then they can use immigrants as scapegoats to blame all of society's ills. It's a win-win for right-wing politicians.

Isn't that why Nigal Farage started his own party because the Torries were worthless? Also Trump did reduce illegal immigration. Did he stop it completely? No. But if you knew anything about American politics you would know that's impossible when leftwing run states create " sanctuary cities" protecting them and when states like " California " who border Mexico have no intention of protecting their border. Immigration got significantly worse under Biden/Harris.

@Jag85

That just means right-wingers hate black and brown people more than they hate Jews. Even their biggest criticism against Jews nowadays is that they're somehow responsible for bringing in all these black and brown immigrants... And yet most of those immigrants come from places that are mostly anti-Israel. Which makes the conspiracy theory quite ridiculous.

But them supporting the European alt right isn't ridiculous? In America over 70% of Jews in America vote Democrat which is pro immigration.

@Jag85

Bruv, do you know how to read? I already said I'm not a leftist. Using the same strawman argument twice just makes you sound illiterate.

You keep saying that you have their hysterical fear of " white supremacy".

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#131  Edited By SargentD
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Lol

Parliament trying to get Elon Musk to ban people off X who are complaining about illegal migrants.

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Big Brother is here to help you, by shutting off your voice

Smh ridiculous

But for real, it really does parallel what's happening here too.

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#132  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@silentchief said:

Why is he resonating with so many people though?

Because he's giving them an easy scapegoat answer for all of ze uk's un problemz.

I mean, if Hitler was liked, who can argue? Surely he has a point. That's how it works. Not bottom scraping easy answer outrage that inevitably results in destruction and voilence.

Bro's totally getting under the establishment.

Total, Fucking maverick. **** you (insert random thing) holding us back and shit. New OG in town.

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@silentchief:

Why is he resonating with so many people though?

Why is Hitler resonating with so many people?

Isn't that why Nigal Farage started his own party because the Torries were worthless?

The Tories had been espousing the exact same anti-immigrant rhetoric as Farage for the last 14 years. What makes you think Farage would be any different? He's controlled opposition, a snake oil salesman no different to the Tories. The new "left wing" Labour government is no different either, for that matter. Labour is just Tory lite.

Also Trump did reduce illegal immigration.

President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration

Immigration got significantly worse under Biden/Harris.

The Biden Administration Is on Pace to Match Trump Deportation Numbers

How ironic that the "pro-immigration" Biden deported as many people as the "anti-immigration" Trump... Almost as if left and right wing politicians are just two sides of the same coin.

But them supporting the European alt right isn't ridiculous?

You said it yourself earlier: most left-wingers are anti-Israel whereas most right-wingers are pro-Israel. If you were the Israeli president, you'd support the side that is pro-Israel.

In America over 70% of Jews in America vote Democrat which is pro immigration.

American Jews =/= Israel

You keep saying that you have a hysterical fear of " white supremacy".

Which I never said. You keep making up fictional strawman arguments.

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#134 Jag85
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@uninspiredcup said:
@silentchief said:

Why is he resonating with so many people though?

Because he's giving them an easy scapegoat answer for all of ze uk's un problemz.

I mean, if Hitler was liked, who can argue? Surely he has a point. That's how it works. Not bottom scraping easy answer outrage that inevitably results in destruction and voilence.

Bro's totally getting under the establishment.

Bruv, you stole my answer!

...But you beat me to the post, so kudos.

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#135  Edited By Romerofour
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@sargentd said:

Parliament trying to get Elon Musk to ban people off X who are complaining about illegal migrants.

They have every right to disagree with illegal immigrants, although this far right rioting is based off of a lie surrounding that.

But if they are setting up and starting the violent far right riots via tweet, then they should be banned. Do you agree?

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It might be all over thankfully.

Police were expecting over 100 protests today 07/08/2024 and the thugs failed to turn up. Instead, thousands of people in towns and cities across the UK came out in solidarity against them in huge anti-racist protest, all of which were largely peaceful.

'Civil War' my arse Elon Musk!

That's heartwarming. The good guys won.

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Riots are starting down where I am now think its getting a bit of of hand...

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@sargentd said:

Parliament trying to get Elon Musk to ban people off X who are complaining about illegal migrants.

Elon is a liar. X is not a real free speech platform. It has two-tier speech policing.

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@Jag85 said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@silentchief said:

Why is he resonating with so many people though?

Because he's giving them an easy scapegoat answer for all of ze uk's un problemz.

I mean, if Hitler was liked, who can argue? Surely he has a point. That's how it works. Not bottom scraping easy answer outrage that inevitably results in destruction and voilence.

Bro's totally getting under the establishment.

Bruv, you stole my answer!

...But you beat me to the post, so kudos.

So stupid lol

Who are you guys calling Hitler again??? You guys are goofy.

I get it as a joke.. I mean I call my wife Stalin when she gives me the honey do list but cmon lol

I'm actually glad my grandpa who killed real nazis in WW2 isn't around to see this stupid shit.

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@haimesy1 said:

Riots are starting down where I am now think its getting a bit of of hand...

The far right race war has to be dealt with. These people are maniacs.

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#140 Jag85
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@sargentd: Yeah, people who follow "Tommy Robinson" (not his real name) are just as stupid as people who follow Hitler. Glad we agree.

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#141  Edited By Jag85
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@haimesy1: Where's that happening, mate?

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@Jag85 said:

@sargentd: Yeah, people who follow "Tommy Robinson" (not his real name) are just as stupid as people who follow Hitler. Glad we agree.

Stupid comparison

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#143  Edited By Jag85
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@sargentd: Yeah, "Tommy Robinson" is stupid. Glad we agree, mate.

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@sargentd: Yeah, "Tommy Robinson" is stupid. Glad we agree, mate.

No you lol

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#145  Edited By Jag85
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@sargentd: Yeah, you stupid. Glad we agree, bruv.

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#146  Edited By SargentD
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@Jag85: an independent journalist that makes documentaries on the migrant crisis... to Hitler.. is an insane jump

Who else do you compare to Hitler,

Bad Artists? Guys in silly moustach competitions?

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#147 Jag85
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@sargentd: Since logic is not your strong point...

The claim was: "Why is he resonating with so many people though?"

You know who else was "resonating with so many people"? Yeah, that German painter with a funny mustache, a.k.a. Adolf Hitler.

Claiming someone must be right just because he is "resonating with so many people" is an irrational argument devoid of logic.

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This interview between Piers and Tate is cracking me up man.. I cant.. lololol

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To be clear don't care about either one of these guys but it's soooo good lol

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@Jag85:

The Tories had been espousing the exact same anti-immigrant rhetoric as Farage for the last 14 years. What makes you think Farage would be any different? He's controlled opposition, a snake oil salesman no different to the Tories. The new "left wing" Labour government is no different either, for that matter. Labour is just Tory lite.

Would you be happy if he was? If he did exactly what he said he would do?

@Jag85:

How ironic that the "pro-immigration" Biden deported as many people as the "anti-immigration" Trump... Almost as if left and right wing politicians are just two sides of the same coin.

I've already debunked that.

Not sure why the forum isn't letting me post images. But Biden basically let in 4x the amount of illegals. So deporting the same amount while letting in 4 times more doesn't really make them equal.

I'll post the chart again if GS allows me too.

@Jag85:

Which I never said. You keep making up fictional strawman arguments.

I'm getting strong " white people are bad" vibes from you 🤷‍♂️

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#150  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@sargentd said:

This interview between Piers and Tate is cracking me up man.. I cant.. lololol

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To be clear don't care about either one of these guys but it's soooo good lol

Good lord why is anyone interviewing Andrew Tate about anything?