Riots rocking parts of the UK

Also, the UK does not have a first amendment, like other European countries. Europe doesn't have unrestricted free speech like America. The UK can arrest people for speech, but usually only when it's inciting violence.

No the riots weren't painted as justified in the US. Doesn't Canada have decent coverage of events? The protests were 93% peaceful. As for rioters, they were from multiple sides of the political spectrum, including the right.

I haven't been paying much attention to the UK but from what I have heard, it's the right.

This isn't a real response, NYT is considered "High Fact". Refute the statements made in the article. I consider the above post a clear concession on that specific argument. Or as the young ones say, "taking the L". You must agree that these are right wing and were spawned from falsehoods, as you did not provide a counter source.

Who Are the Far-Right Groups Behind the U.K. Riots? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

I can not imagine why anyone with a properly working brain would ever defend these maniac riots.

Your whataboutism was just US. Not US vs UK riots. You can't even keep track of your own thread derailment attempts.

That being said let me touch upon that whataboutism. I vehemently opposed the summer 2020 US riots. Everyone involved in the riots were idiots and violent thugs (SEE HOW EASY THAT IS?). Unlike some sociopaths, I will not make excuses for them. However, I think the same if not worse for the January 6th rioters. I personally believe the latter was worse. Taking over the capitol building in an attempt to overturning the US POTUS election is a bit worse than burning up a Walmart, in my opinion.

All three riots are horrendous and I won't make excuse for either. You won't ever find me defending any riot, regardless if a youtuber who dropped out of 6th grade told me it was justified. Sadly there are 3 people in this thread, neither of which appear to be actually be from Britain, actually defending these racist riots. They are getting fact checked at every turn but then just move on to something new. This is not something someone with a normal brain does.

When you have a group of near exclusively white people burning down UK, that group is going to get the blame. In this instance, the far right white nationalists. Film at 11.

There aren't two sides to this story. You're defending the burning down of innocent businesses, surrounding innocent mosques, and attacking police stations. All because some clowns on social media told them some lies, bunch of smooth brain sheep. Crime and Homicide has dropped by 30-50% over the last two decades, even the Covid spike which has now receded in 2024 didn't get remotely that bad. This is just people acting deranged because anecdotes and fake stories.

Don't defend it.

@LJS9502_basic: 93% huh? That's an oddly specific number... lol. That we also know is complete bs.. billions of dollars in damage, entire city blocks taken over, fires blazing in a dozen cities... yeah. However these "far right" lunatics covered head to toe in black that won't show their faces are undoubtedly 100% die hard Republicans that are all racist and hate you because they are evil. Correct?

@romerofour: Imagine trying to compare middle eastern values, history, and culture to that of the west by trying to equate them as one in the same while also trying to claim you're on the side that isn't racist... shaking my head. What a joke.

That reminds me of people in the US trying to say it's racist to force voter ID because poor impoverished inner city minorities don't have the means to acquire such important documentation. I'm sorry I don't think it's beyond the means of functioning adults in a country where opportunity abounds, and that it isn't beyond their mental or physical capabilities.. how racist huh?

Comparing conservative values across different cultures is conservative for that country in name only and in no way, shape, or form reflects government policy. Some of these nations are still stuck 2 or 3 thousand years in the past and none of their choices are a proper compromise.

Radical tyranical governments, extreme policies, different beliefs, culture that surrounds absolute power, non official elections, squalor, non access to basic necessities at times, and no choice in the matter are important side notes here that shape different cultures.

The conservative values of a house cat are a little different than that of a mountain lion... so comparing ideologies at a base 1/1 value is a joke. Especially when the cultures are worlds apart. How about next we compare these conservative values to a tribe of cannibals. Ridiculous.

I can't believe he didn't know this.

Also, this is a weird line of attack based off of 1 Asian kid slashing a tire when far right white nationalists set the country on fire this week. I just checked and non-Chinese Asians in UK (even when you specifically look at Indian and Pakistani) appear to have even a lower crime rate than whites.

When did I say any of this? I'm against ANY side that is racist. Including these Right Wing UK Rioters. Or those conservative far right Middle Eastern governments which can get very bad as well. I don't like violence and hate. Simple stuff.

I don't think the studies say it's beyond their mental capacity. It's just that they literally have too much other stuff to deal with like putting food on the table and working multiple jobs.

I personally am FOR Voter ID. HOWEVER, with a big caveat. Automatic Registration for ALL US CITIZENS. Possibly online voting (iffy on this, maybe not, dunno I have to check studies on it). Exponentially MORE polling place. This mandatory Voter ID mailed to everyone available to use it. Gerrymandering made ILLEGAL asap. US Elections rank VERY low, a lot of this due to Republican policy.

Elections: a global ranking rates US weakest among liberal democracies — The Electoral Integrity Project EIP

You're coping. They are by definition conservative far right, just more so than conservative far right's in NA and especially EU. You're trying to change definitions due to severity.

"It's twice as hot, so is that really hot now?"

You're just mad at dictionary definitions at this point. Yes, those conservative far right values are more extreme, but it's the same leaning and even some common ground on some values.

EDITORIAL The Limits of the Law: Abortion in the Middle East and North Africa – Health and Human Rights Journal (hhrjournal.org)

Mr. Bean said a guy was arrested for calling a cops horse gay lol

In US the cop would have just shot him lol. Calling a horse gay is highly disrespectful 🤠

Jesus christ for once can you two stop the fucking gas lighting?

The people in the mask were not Asian period! Regardless of where you live even in the UK they would not be " Asian". That excuse would be valid if they were south Asian but the problem is that southern Asians are generally not Muslim.

They are middle Eastern. Do you hear Asians shouting " free Palestine? Did you see the Palestinian flag? Does being from the UK exempt you from looking at a map and seeing that Palestine is in " Western Asia "also referred to as the " Middle East" ?

The people in that video behind the mask would be from " western asia" not eastern " or southern and in no country do they refer to middle eastners as " Asian" especially not in the UK. They certainly never did when I was there for a month in 2017. So unless that's changed over the past 7 years you are lying and that news story was intentionally misleading.

I didn't know being from the UK exempts you from basic geography and causes you to just be a straight up dumbass. But that explains why the country has turn into an absolute shit hole..

I guess that's a new tactic from the left " identity Muslims from the middle east as " Asian " . 🤣🤣

Why is the left supporting a middle Eastern nation with as you call." Far right values"?

Also why are on your fourth alt? What happened to Zaryia and Robertos?

There could be a multitude of geopolitical reasons as to why a political faction would support a country that holds extremely different values. Even Israel is right wing at the moment. I'm sure many on the right support countries that are more liberal and left leaning than US, pretty much every of the ~20 countries with a higher quality of life than USA is one of those. This doesn't take away from the objective fact that many of these are far right and/or very conservative countries.

Cultural Attitudes · Media Use in the Middle East, 2018 (mideastmedia.org)

Most Conservative Countries in 2024 | The Blogler

Islam and abortion in the Middle East and Northern Africa (cmi.no)

I thought this was common knowledge. Like how we understood the west is more liberal than these conservative areas.

Now you're arguing statistics. You know you lost when you do that.

Yeah it's from a study.

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful: Report | TIME

I'm sure no one here does, or should, support that 7% violent rioting. Furthermore, the verdict in the Chauvin trial showed the peaceful 93% protestors were in the right. But nothing will or can ever show that the violent 7% were ever in the right. There is no excuse, regardless.

Now I'd be interested in what % of these racist far right protests became riots. But it would probably be wise to condemn the actual riots, which is what this thread is about, with 0 excuses. No excuse. And we know it was all based off of a lie now.

I wish everyone can just condemn violence and NOT make up fake excuses. It's not hard lol.

It isn't a multitude of reasons. It's mostly based off racial hate towards whites hence why they label the nations as " colonizers".

Those left leaning countries that are better off in the US as you say also have demographics that would generally make white nationalists very proud. It's why white nationalists often support socialist economic policies but feel it wouldn't work because of out current demographics.

Also why aren't you answering the second part of the question? Why are you on your 3rd alt this year?

Racists scared, love it.

Good Lord... Yankee ignorance never ceases to amaze. 😂

Islam in the United Kingdom

• Asian - 65.9%
• Black - 10.8%
• Arab - 7.2%
• White - 5.8%
• Mixed - 3.7%
• Other - 6.6%

British Asians

• Ethnicity
  • Indian - 33%
  • Pakistani - 29%
  • Bangladeshi - 11%
  • Chinese - 9%
  • Other Asian - 18%
• Religion
  • Islam - 46%
  • Hinduism - 17.5%
  • Christianity - 10.5%
  • Sikhism - 7.7%
  • Other - 3.9%
  • Irreligious - 9.1%

South Asia

• Afghanistan
• Bangladesh
• Bhutan
• India
• Maldives
• Nepal
• Pakistan
• Sri Lanka

Furthermore, British Asians who are that majority Muslim figure have a lower crime rate than even Whites. And most migrants over the last two are that demo. Homicide and Crimes decreased substantially from the last two decades, and a bit since Covid. So these riots make no sense either way. It's just racism lol.

Old news:

'Gay' police horse case dropped (12 January 2006)

@romerofour said:

@Jag85 said:

@silentchief said:

@romerofour said:

@Jag85 said:

In British English, "Asian" means brown South Asians most of the time. In the UK, it's much less common for "Asian" to mean East/Southeast Asians, but they're usually referred to as either "East Asian" or their individual ethnicities most of the time.

Thanks for proving my earlier point earlier about Yanks being so ignorant about the world outside America.

I can't believe he didn't know this.

Also, this is a weird line of attack based off of 1 Asian kid slashing a tire when far right white nationalists set the country on fire this week. I just checked and non-Chinese Asians in UK (even when you specifically look at Indian and Pakistani) appear to have even a lower crime rate than whites.

Jesus christ for once can you two stop the fucking gas lighting?

The people in the mask were not Asian period! Regardless of where you live even in the UK they would not be " Asian". That excuse would be valid if they were south Asian but the problem is that southern Asians are generally not Muslim.

They are middle Eastern. Do you hear Asians shouting " free Palestine? Did you see the Palestinian flag? Does being from the UK exempt you from looking at a map and seeing that Palestine is in " Western Asia "also referred to as the " Middle East" ?

The people in that video behind the mask would be from " western asia" not eastern " or southern and in no country do they refer to middle eastners as " Asian" especially not in the UK. They certainly never did when I was there for a month in 2017. So unless that's changed over the past 7 years you are lying and that news story was intentionally misleading.

I didn't know being from the UK exempts you from basic geography and causes you to just be a straight up dumbass. But that explains why the country has turn into an absolute shit hole..

I guess that's a new tactic from the left " identity Muslims from the middle east as " Asian " . 🤣

Good Lord... Yankee ignorance never ceases to amaze. 😂

Islam in the United Kingdom

• Asian - 65.9%
• Black - 10.8%
• Arab - 7.2%
• White - 5.8%
• Mixed - 3.7%
• Other - 6.6%

British Asians

• Ethnicity
  • Indian - 33%
  • Pakistani - 29%
  • Bangladeshi - 11%
  • Chinese - 9%
  • Other Asian - 18%
• Religion
  • Islam - 46%
  • Hinduism - 17.5%
  • Christianity - 10.5%
  • Sikhism - 7.7%
  • Other - 3.9%
  • Irreligious - 9.1%

South Asia

• Afghanistan
• Bangladesh
• Bhutan
• India
• Maldives
• Nepal
• Pakistan
• Sri Lanka

Furthermore, British Asians who are that majority Muslim figure have a lower crime rate than even Whites. And most migrants over the last two are that demo. Homicide and Crimes decreased substantially from the last two decades, and a bit since Covid. So these riots make no sense either way. It's just racism lol.

I feel like this is the fourth or fifth time we could have "/thread" this thing, not sure you can reason the far-right whackos out of a position they didn't reason themselves into though.

Not that this was a good hill for them to die on from the beginning.

"Hey guys a bunch of racists are rioting because they're pissed off at migrants and stuff, but hold up....let's hear them out"

The British bastards want to come after us Americans for political speech online!!

Bring it on chuds!! The memes will flow 1776 style!!

They have gaslighted you morons. Eastern Asia and the Middle east have nothing in common. It's a tactic leftist use. In America they call all non whites people of color.

Regardless I hope UK becomes a full blown Muslim nation. I can't wait to see how that works with their progressive values.

@romerofour said:

@Jag85 said:

@silentchief said:

@romerofour said:

@Jag85 said:

In British English, "Asian" means brown South Asians most of the time. In the UK, it's much less common for "Asian" to mean East/Southeast Asians, but they're usually referred to as either "East Asian" or their individual ethnicities most of the time.

Thanks for proving my earlier point earlier about Yanks being so ignorant about the world outside America.

I can't believe he didn't know this.

Also, this is a weird line of attack based off of 1 Asian kid slashing a tire when far right white nationalists set the country on fire this week. I just checked and non-Chinese Asians in UK (even when you specifically look at Indian and Pakistani) appear to have even a lower crime rate than whites.

Jesus christ for once can you two stop the fucking gas lighting?

The people in the mask were not Asian period! Regardless of where you live even in the UK they would not be " Asian". That excuse would be valid if they were south Asian but the problem is that southern Asians are generally not Muslim.

They are middle Eastern. Do you hear Asians shouting " free Palestine? Did you see the Palestinian flag? Does being from the UK exempt you from looking at a map and seeing that Palestine is in " Western Asia "also referred to as the " Middle East" ?

The people in that video behind the mask would be from " western asia" not eastern " or southern and in no country do they refer to middle eastners as " Asian" especially not in the UK. They certainly never did when I was there for a month in 2017. So unless that's changed over the past 7 years you are lying and that news story was intentionally misleading.

I didn't know being from the UK exempts you from basic geography and causes you to just be a straight up dumbass. But that explains why the country has turn into an absolute shit hole..

I guess that's a new tactic from the left " identity Muslims from the middle east as " Asian " . 🤣

Good Lord... Yankee ignorance never ceases to amaze. 😂

Islam in the United Kingdom

• Asian - 65.9%
• Black - 10.8%
• Arab - 7.2%
• White - 5.8%
• Mixed - 3.7%
• Other - 6.6%

British Asians

• Ethnicity
  • Indian - 33%
  • Pakistani - 29%
  • Bangladeshi - 11%
  • Chinese - 9%
  • Other Asian - 18%
• Religion
  • Islam - 46%
  • Hinduism - 17.5%
  • Christianity - 10.5%
  • Sikhism - 7.7%
  • Other - 3.9%
  • Irreligious - 9.1%

South Asia

• Afghanistan
• Bangladesh
• Bhutan
• India
• Maldives
• Nepal
• Pakistan
• Sri Lanka

Furthermore, British Asians who are that majority Muslim figure have a lower crime rate than even Whites. And most migrants over the last two are that demo. Homicide and Crimes decreased substantially from the last two decades, and a bit since Covid. So these riots make no sense either way. It's just racism lol.

The UK doesn't report migrant crime so you wouldn't even know 🤣

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/14/immigration-crime-cover-up-civil-service/

Lol I need to start making memes. It's a good thing the authoritarian left is made up of so many weaklings. The UK is fuuucked.

I just posted a list of South Asian countries... And you respond with East Asia and the Middle East? 😂

You're a perfect representation of this classic old American meme... 17 years later, nothing has changed. Yanks are still dumb as bricks in 2024.

Awesome, most people in UK have common sense!

@LJS9502_basic: My pointing out bs statistics that are completely fabricated means I've lost? Lol.. wow that's rich. Anyone can find what they are looking for to support their cause if they look long and hard enough.

Your people here post links from the NY Times and then call them high truth.. lmao. That's the same outlet that claimed Hillary Clinton had over an 85% chance to win an hour before Trump won the presidency, so don't tell me going after statistics means someone lost when that all you guys do is post a ton of shitty democratically owned news links.

Look man. I understand you believe everything you read, but just because they only arrested (and very quickly released 99 percent) 7 percent of the rioters that doesn't mean the ones who weren't arrested were innocent.

Also a quick Google search comes up with anything from 40%, 30%, 17%, 10%, etc... it just depends on the site you're on. It's not like the whole thing wasn't planned and they also handcuffed the police from doing their jobs..

Much like what's happening in the UK right now..

@romerofour said:

Awesome, most people in UK have common sense!

This poll doesn't fair as well for you as you think it does lol

If you can get 1 out of 3 people to agree on anything, it's a popular sentiment, just more proof that this has been an underlying issue for years

@sargentd said:

@romerofour said:

Awesome, most people in UK have common sense!

This poll doesn't fair as well for you as you think it does lol

Nah. Also, this thread is about the riots. 85%/5%. Cope.

Source? You can't just say it's fake. Provide a High Fact (or Very High) showing the study is false.

Yes, NYT is High Fact. But if you really want to press on this here are other "High Fact" sources making the same claim,

How the far right hijacked a local tragedy in the UK | Vox

UK's worst riots in years were incited by online disinformation about asylum seekers : NPR

This is currently not a debate as it stands.

Far right white nationalist rioters are burning the country. Glad most people are against them, and I hope justice is served for this senseless violence.

i want to go back to the 90's. sending the right message. back to the 60's you wouldn't complain if prices of things went back to the 60's. what is wrong from the 60's? what made it so bad?

I know right. the right don't riot.

The crime and murder rate was considerably higher. The current crime and murder rate in UK is 30-50% as much as it was just a few decades ago. And 2024 is down from the Covid bump, on average. Most UK migrants are Asian over the last 2 years, and Asians in UK have lower crime rates than whites.

This is all mostly nonsense. Hell, even the killing that sparked this all was a UK Born Christian.

really? how come trump ask of they needed more solders and the female that was in charge said no.

They were there due to Trump. He held that rally on that day for a reason. He then literally told hem to go march on he capitol. If he did not do these two things, there would be no J6th. During the riot he tried to pressure Pence and others to not certify. He also sent his fake electors slates to the Capitol that day.

As for your claim,

FACT FOCUS: Trump's misleading claims about the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol | AP News

NATIONAL GUARD RESPONSE

CLAIM: Trump said he offered 10,000 National Guard troops to Pelosi and “she now admits that she turned it down.” Referring to a video Pelosi’s daughter took that day, Trump claimed that Pelosi said, “I take full responsibility for January 6.”

THE FACTS: Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed that he offered National Guard troops to the Capitol and that his offer was rejected. He has previously said he signed an order for 20,000 troops to go to the Capitol.

While Trump was involved in discussions in the days prior to Jan. 6 about whether the National Guard would be called ahead of the joint session, he issued no such order or formal request before or during the rioting, and the guard’s arrival was delayed for hours as Pentagon officials deliberated over how to proceed.

In a 2022 interview with the Democratic-led House committee that investigated the attack, Christopher Miller, the acting Defense secretary at that time, confirmed that there was no order from the president.

The Capitol Police Board makes the decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol, and two members of that board — the House Sergeant at Arms and the Senate Sergeant at Arms — decided through informal discussions not to call the guard ahead of the joint session that was eventually interrupted by Trump’s supporters, despite a request from the Capitol Police. The House Sergeant at Arms reports to the Speaker of the House, who was then Pelosi, and the Senate Sergeant at Arms reported to then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. But Pelosi’s office has said she was never informed of the request.

The board eventually requested the guard’s assistance after the rioting was underway, and Pelosi and McConnell called the Pentagon and begged for military assistance. Pence, who was in a secure location inside the building, also called the Pentagon to demand reinforcements.

In a video recently released by House Republicans, Pelosi is seen in the back of a car on Jan. 6 and talking to an aide. In the raw video recorded by her daughter, Pelosi is angrily asking her aide why the National Guard wasn’t at the Capitol when the rioting started. “Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?” she asks.

“We did not have any accountability for what was going on there and we should have, this is ridiculous,” Pelosi says, while her aide responds that security officials thought they had sufficient resources. “They clearly didn’t know and I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more,” Pelosi says in the video.

There is no mention of a request from Trump, and Pelosi never said that she took “full responsibility for Jan. 6.”

In a statement, Pelosi spokesman Ian Krager said Trump’s repeated comments about Pelosi are revisionist history.

“Numerous independent fact-checkers have confirmed again and again that Speaker Pelosi did not plan her own assassination on January 6th,” Krager said. “The Speaker of the House is not in charge of the security of the Capitol Complex — on January 6th or any other day of the week.”

Stabbing incident in London's Leicester Square:

• White male goes on stabbing rampage, stabbing an 11 year-old girl and her mother.
• Muslim immigrant Abdullah disarms the stabber and pins him down to the ground.
• Police eventually show up, arresting the stabber.
• Stabbing victims have been taken to hospital.

Security guard disarms knifeman after girl, 11, and mother, 34, stabbed in Leicester Square

Yet your reading comprehension is fucking abysmal.

Lets try again. Where is Palestine? And wtf does what you posted have to do with the masked men waving Palestinian flags in the video I posted ? 🤣🤣 let me help you again... ITS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

In regards to your post South Asian countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan have nothing in common with Eastern Asian countries.

There's a reason we Yanks kicked your ass into irrelevance 🤣🤣

Nothing like watching progressives fight for a group of people to enter their country ( just because their brown) that will ultimately do everything they can to fight your progressive values. 🤣🤣

Bolded part is facinating

What do they think? Once they bring in enough Islamic fundamentalists...they going to flip to thier world view or something??

It's insane honestly and at this point I don't care anymore.

Muslim countries have a mindset just as extreme as the Nazis but because their mostly brown it's ok to leftist. I always fall out of my chair when you see shit like " Queers for Palestine".

But when you let weak white guilt liberals take over that's what happens. I'm just going to sit back and watch it implode 🤷‍♂️

It's funny asf lol

Yes. We are aware these countries and the religion is very right wing conservative.

I'm not sure what it has to do with these right wing racist riots after a UK Born Christian killed 3 young girls.

All this verbal diarrhea just because dumb Yanks can't read a map! 😂

Map of Asia:

Dictionary definition of Asian:

Asian (Cambridge dictionary)

Asian

noun [ C ]

1. someone who comes from the continent of Asia, or a member of a group of people originally from Asia

2. in the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, someone from China, Japan, or countries near them

3. in the UK, someone from India, Pakistan, or countries near them

His parents were Rwandan. Sending him to a Christian school doesn't mean he was Christian and children born into a nation from first generation immigrants doesn't really help your argument when they act like animals.

Again stop the gaslighting.

The same far-right racist bigots are silent on the white male knife attacker who just stabbed an 11 year-old girl in London:

Nobody is making the claim that by restricting illegals from comming into your nation will erase all violent crime, it's inevitable that citizens will be violent. Thing is..you willfully let a person come and stay that had no right to in the first place. You don't get to choose who's born a citizen, you do get to choose who's allowed to live there from other places not born there. A white bittish guy committing crime is not a gotcha, do better.

Man this is some of the worst spin I have ever seen. These racist far right rioters were told he was an illegal Muslim. He was UK Born and appears to be Christian.

Britain’s riots put spotlight on right-wing misinformation and Elon Musk - The Washington Post

Don't contest the above. There is absolutely nothing left to justify these racist far right riots on. I'm not sure why you won't just totally condemn them like 85% of the UK did. With 0 excuse.

The main people acting like animals are these racist rioters.

Oh wow that's insane.

If every non white were to set UK ablaze over this, I assume the 3 people in this thread defending the riots would totally support them right?

The killer was not an illegal or even a migrant.

This entire Riot was a gotcha for the far right cult. Imagine burning down your own country due to a lie lol.

Let's get the facts straight:

• British-born black Christian teen stabs and murders three little girls in Southport.
• British-born white far-right rioters go on a mass violent rampage across the country over a lie.
• White stabber goes on rampage in London and stabs little girl before he's disarmed by Muslim immigrant.

How is any of this the fault of immigration? All this has done is expose the far-right as a deranged death cult, as if it wasn't obvious already.

I'm talking in overall terms of the migrant crisis. The single case of the legal migrant with parents from rawanda is not where the discussion stops

He wasn't a legal migrant. He was born in UK. You just can't stop lying lol.

Also, nah, nothing excuses these riots. And I'm glad only 5% support them.