Rolling Stone's Updated Greatest Artists of All Time list

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Also where was Bob Seger on that list?

theone86

Well, now that one's obvious, he's just not that good.

Lol, his best song, "Turn the Page" was done better by Metallica.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="joesh89"]

Implying mainstream radio = the test of time.

LJS9502_basic

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list?

I mean, I don't like eveybody that's on there, but alot of the list can be justified.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

What's wrong with Genesis? I love their prog/prog pop hybrid period. And even the "poppy" albums had some really good songs on them. They just didn't make for very interesting albums taken as a whole.

That being said, I understand why they weren't on the list. They got good reviews, but were never seen as heavyweights in their genre.

GreySeal9

Agreed. Genesis produced two of my favorite artists. Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins.

Glad to see a Genesis fan that doesn't slag off Phil.

I tried listening to "Invisible Touch" but it just sounds so cheesy. A trick of the tail and wind & wuthering are much better.

Seriously after listening to Selling England by the pound and Nursery Cryme, it's sad to see how they ended up with their 80's stuff.

Not to say Phil Collins is a bad musician or anything. He contributed heavily during the Gabriel era. He's a fantastic drummer.

And his solo career is much better than Phil's...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]In a top 100 list, IMO at least, you do have to factor popularity into it along with the other factors. Run DMC and Public Enemy were huge back in the 80s. They were mainstream for their genre. They aren't played on anything now. They didn't stand the test of time thus they shouldn't be on the list to me.

GreySeal9

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="joesh89"]

Implying mainstream radio = the test of time.

LJS9502_basic

Hmm.. I think they should be there. Whilst I'm not a fan (much prefer Public Image Ltd.) I can see why, its all about what you did. If you change something in a big way you are a great artist, even if you only had one album :P

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There's quite a few artists on there that shouldn't be on there. And I like the Sex Pistols and all...but on the list of greatest artists? No.LJS9502_basic

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Agreed. Genesis produced two of my favorite artists. Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins.

deathtarget04

Glad to see a Genesis fan that doesn't slag off Phil.

I tried listening to "Invisible Touch" but it just sounds so cheesy. A trick of the tail and wind & wuthering are much better.

Seriously after listening to Selling England by the pound and Nursery Cryme, it's sad to see how they ended up with their 80's stuff.

Not to say Phil Collins is a bad musician or anything. He contributed heavily during the Gabriel era. He's a fantastic drummer.

And his solo career is much better than Phil's...

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There's quite a few artists on there that shouldn't be on there. And I like the Sex Pistols and all...but on the list of greatest artists? No.LJS9502_basic

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There's quite a few artists on there that shouldn't be on there. And I like the Sex Pistols and all...but on the list of greatest artists? No.LJS9502_basic

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

It still is an opinion even if you can find other people that share it. But I guess I can see why you hold it.

Also, they're not judging purely technicality or else The Beatles wouldn't be number one. None of them are that amazing technically. It was the songwriting that made them great.

I don't even care about The Sex Pistols. I just want to see your reasoning on that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]In a top 100 list, IMO at least, you do have to factor popularity into it along with the other factors. Run DMC and Public Enemy were huge back in the 80s. They were mainstream for their genre. They aren't played on anything now. They didn't stand the test of time thus they shouldn't be on the list to me.

joesh89

Hmm.. I think they should be there. Whilst I'm not a fan (much prefer Public Image Ltd.) I can see why, its all about what you did. If you change something in a big way you are a great artist, even if you only had one album :P

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There's quite a few artists on there that shouldn't be on there. And I like the Sex Pistols and all...but on the list of greatest artists? No.LJS9502_basic

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

Haha ain't that the truth, but he didn't even play on the album... the original bassist (Glenn Matlock) wrote the majority of the songs. I watched a Classic Albums episode on "Nevermind the Bollocks" and the Guitarist was the one who played the majority of the basslines.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

majoras_wrath

Great point.

Also no Dio, Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or Deep Purple...

i quickly scanned through this list so if these artists were mentioned i apologize.

Edit: No Clapton??

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="joesh89"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] There's quite a few artists on there that shouldn't be on there. And I like the Sex Pistols and all...but on the list of greatest artists? No.LJS9502_basic

Hmm.. I think they should be there. Whilst I'm not a fan (much prefer Public Image Ltd.) I can see why, its all about what you did. If you change something in a big way you are a great artist, even if you only had one album :P

Manchester free trade hall gig... have you ever seen 24 Hour Party People? great film about Factory Records, Tony Wilson.

They depict that gig, and the people that were there... blows my mind.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Agreed. Genesis produced two of my favorite artists. Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins.

deathtarget04

Glad to see a Genesis fan that doesn't slag off Phil.

I tried listening to "Invisible Touch" but it just sounds so cheesy. A trick of the tail and wind & wuthering are much better.

Seriously after listening to Selling England by the pound and Nursery Cryme, it's sad to see how they ended up with their 80's stuff.

Not to say Phil Collins is a bad musician or anything. He contributed heavily during the Gabriel era. He's a fantastic drummer.

And his solo career is much better than Phil's...

That **** always seems to happen as the members of rock bands age. I mean, look at Queen.

Invisible Touch is a cheesy album for sure, but Throwing it All Away and Land of Confusion are great songs IMO.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Do you have any reason that they shouldn't be on the list besides your own opinion?

joesh89

Haha ain't that the truth, but he didn't even play on the album... the original bassist (Glenn Matlock) wrote the majority of the songs. I watched a Classic Albums episode on "Nevermind the Bollocks" and the Guitarist was the one who played the majority of the basslines.

Also, where in the world is Aerosmith on that list? Or did I miss them? :o

Also no Dio, Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or Deep Purple...

i quickly scanned through this list so if these artists were mentioned i apologize.

Edit: No Clapton??

deathtarget04

Clapton is on there.

Also no Dio, Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or Deep Purple...

i quickly scanned through this list so if these artists were mentioned i apologize.

Edit: No Clapton??

deathtarget04

I am quickly liking your taste in music, my friend. Dio. Hungry for Heaven or All the Fools Sailed Away should have cemented him.

Also, where in the world is Aerosmith on that list? Or did I miss them? :o

Pirate700

I'm pretty sure they're on there, but I'll check.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Also, where in the world is Aerosmith on that list? Or did I miss them? :o

GreySeal9

I'm pretty sure they're on there, but I'll check.

Yes, Aerosmith is 59.

Also no Dio, Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or Deep Purple...

i quickly scanned through this list so if these artists were mentioned i apologize.

Edit: No Clapton??

deathtarget04

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Also, where in the world is Aerosmith on that list? Or did I miss them? :o

GreySeal9

I'm pretty sure they're on there, but I'll check.

Yes, Aerosmith is 59.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'm pretty sure they're on there, but I'll check.

Pirate700

Yes, Aerosmith is 59.

You're welcome. I actually like scrolling back through the list cuz I love those pictures.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They weren't actually that good of a band. Technically speaking. And that is not just my opinion. Sid couldn't even play his bass.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="joesh89"]

Hmm.. I think they should be there. Whilst I'm not a fan (much prefer Public Image Ltd.) I can see why, its all about what you did. If you change something in a big way you are a great artist, even if you only had one album :P

joesh89

Manchester free trade hall gig... have you ever seen 24 Hour Party People? great film about Factory Records, Tony Wilson.

They depict that gig, and the people that were there... blows my mind.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] So what? Some of the most talented musicians also make some of the most dry, boring music I've ever heard.majoras_wrath

What people don't understand about these lists is that you're simply not going to like all of the choices on there, but there's solid reasoning behind most of them. They don't just draw names out of a hat.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh....a band with only one album which was not that talented doesn't deserve to be in the top 100. If you want to represent punk...there were better selections to be had.

GreySeal9

What people don't understand about these lists is that you're simply not going to like all of the choices on there, but there's solid reasoning behind most of them. They don't just draw names out of a hat.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] So what? Some of the most talented musicians also make some of the most dry, boring music I've ever heard.majoras_wrath

Ok, so I looked at the list. No Doobie Brothers or Hall and Oates? Rolling Stone is dead to me.

Ok, so I looked at the list. No Doobie Brothers or Hall and Oates? Rolling Stone is dead to me.

Johnny_Rock

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Ok, so I looked at the list. No Doobie Brothers or Hall and Oates? Rolling Stone is dead to me.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Ok, so I looked at the list. No Doobie Brothers or Hall and Oates? Rolling Stone is dead to me.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Thank you! I'm not the only one disturbed by the lack o fthe Doobie Bros. They should be on there well before the freakin Allman Brothers.

Pirate700

Zing!

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hmm....Nah I think the Allman Brothers should be ahead of the Doobie Bros....and no Hall and Oates.:xJohnny_Rock

Zing!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Thank you! I'm not the only one disturbed by the lack o fthe Doobie Bros. They should be on there well before the freakin Allman Brothers.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh....a band with only one album which was not that talented doesn't deserve to be in the top 100. If you want to represent punk...there were better selections to be had.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh....a band with only one album which was not that talented doesn't deserve to be in the top 100. If you want to represent punk...there were better selections to be had.

LJS9502_basic

But what artist is constantly influential? It seems to me that even the artists that are the absolute biggest influences in their genres have a certain point where they stop being influential.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]Can't beat the Sex Pistols in terms of influence though, and honestly that's how I think the list is supposed to be read.majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]As for Hall and Oats, I guess the author couldn't go for that... >.>

Pirate700

Zing!

I might have to hire a Private Eye to find out!

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Zing!

Johnny_Rock

I might have to hire a Private Eye to find out!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Can't beat the Sex Pistols in terms of influence though, and honestly that's how I think the list is supposed to be read.GreySeal9

But what artist is constantly influential? It seems to me that even the artists that are the absolute biggest influences in their genres have a certain point where they stop being influential.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I wonder if their kiss is on his list though?

Pirate700

I might have to hire a Private Eye to find out!

Yeah, she's a Rich Girl.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

I might have to hire a Private Eye to find out!

Johnny_Rock

Yeah, she's a Rich Girl.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The problem with that list is it's 100 greatest and while some of those artists were influenced in their time...they stopped being an influence...and a list that narrow should certainly focus more on those bands that stood the test of time rather then disappearing. I can see including some of them on a list of specific decades though.LJS9502_basic

"Better" is totally subjective.

And in the pop genre, there are few artists with more clout than Madonna regardless of one thinks of her music. Had tons of classics, tons of imitators, revolutionized the pop stage show, was one of the first female artists to have full control of her brand and musical direction, and has some sonic diversity than nearly any other pop star besides Prince.

It actually seems ridiculous to include pop and not have Madonna on the list. She simply has too much clout in the genre.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Meh...the author is just Out of Touch.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, she's a Rich Girl.

Sorry. I'll behave. :D

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Meh...the author is just Out of Touch.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, she's a Rich Girl.