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#1 wolverine08
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Can the party adapt to changing times or will they just follow the establishment?

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I'm rather surprised. I was under the impression that Paul would floor his polling numbers.

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I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose.
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I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. AdamPA1006
I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....
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Do we really need two threads on the caucus?
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Do we really need two threads on the caucus?scorch-62
You can never have too much Caucus!

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Do we really need two threads on the caucus?scorch-62
Give it time....we'll have three. I see what you did there MG....
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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. LJS9502_basic
I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....

I actually think Gingrich could out debate Obama, but his baggage seems to have lost him his support.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. Serraph105
I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....

I actually think Gingrich could out debate Obama, but his baggage seems to have lost him his support.

I don't see him winning.....especially when his past gets dredged up again....
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I found this interesting. I think its some food for thought.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201#ixzz1iSwIfARe

Don't know why I can't link it...

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In the end, they want someone that's practical for the general election. But whats disturbing is:

Rick Santorum actually came in second. WTF is Iowa thinking...

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I read he was coming in 3d, lost interest.
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Despite finishing third, it still represents a jump in votes from 2008 (11,841 to 26,219 or 9.93% to 21.51%)

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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. LJS9502_basic
I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....

i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. lloveLamp
I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....

i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney

Romney isn't infallible either.

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I found this interesting. I think its some food for thought.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201#ixzz1iSwIfARe

Don't know why I can't link it...

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Interesting read, thanks for linking
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. lloveLamp
I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....

i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney

Never said he wasn't......but on the other hand the Republicans have to interest independents in their candidate and possible some Democrats. I just don't see that happening with this group. Really isn't a stand out in the bunch and if GWB could be re-elected.....
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Hard to say. Even though the Iowa Caucus is supposed to be a good projection of what will happen later on in elections, anything could happen. Just look at what happened in 2000.
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I'm rather surprised. I was under the impression that Paul would floor his polling numbers.

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he got hit hard when bachmann accused him of bribing her camp away, santorum went around saying he was crazy and all guns would be destroyed if RP had his way, and there was one other 11th hour mega lie that i am forgetting by another person.

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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....CycleOfViolence

i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney

Romney isn't infallible either.

i honestly cant differentiate between obama and romney, so if it is up to those two... i am getting alcohol poisoned on election day

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Hard to say. Even though the Iowa Caucus is supposed to be a good projection of what will happen later on in elections, anything could happen. Just look at what happened in 2000.BranKetra

The Caucuses have been better indicators for Democrats rather than Republicans.

Look at 08's GOP results.

It went Huckabee, Romeny, and Fred Thompson. McCain was fourth!

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Hard to say. Even though the Iowa Caucus is supposed to be a good projection of what will happen later on in elections, anything could happen. Just look at what happened in 2000.CycleOfViolence

The Caucuses have been better indicators for Democrats rather than Republicans.

Look at 08's GOP results.

It went Huckabee, Romeny, and Fred Thompson. McCain was fourth!

When I said anything could happen, I was talking about when Gore won, then Bush did.

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I think that Paul still has a shot at winning the nomination.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him....

i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney

Never said he wasn't......but on the other hand the Republicans have to interest independents in their candidate and possible some Democrats. I just don't see that happening with this group. Really isn't a stand out in the bunch and if GWB could be re-elected.....

yeah. i guess you're right. and let's face it. it's probably going to get worse either which way the general election goes
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"] i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney

Never said he wasn't......but on the other hand the Republicans have to interest independents in their candidate and possible some Democrats. I just don't see that happening with this group. Really isn't a stand out in the bunch and if GWB could be re-elected.....

yeah. i guess you're right. and let's face it. it's probably going to get worse either which way the general election goes

I see no good candidate TBH....time to overhaul the nomination/election process. Maybe remove the need for contributions what with the media getting messages out and perhaps we can find some better candidates that aren't wealthy.
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[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"] i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romneysurrealnumber5

Romney isn't infallible either.

i honestly cant differentiate between obama and romney, so if it is up to those two... i am getting alcohol poisoned on election day

well obama has lied so much it really kinda makes me angry. i hope he loses so romney can have a chance to prove how evil he is and then finally we let trump get into office and let everything truly go to hell
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I honestly think Gingrich has the best chance of beating Obama in a debate. Newt would mop the floor with Obama.

But I'm glad Romney won over Paul. Romney was my second choice next to Gingrich. Santorum surprised me.

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I honestly think Gingrich has the best chance of beating Obama in a debate. Newt would mop the floor with Obama.

But I'm glad Romney won over Paul. Romney was my second choice next to Gingrich. Santorum surprised me.

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You....like...Gringrich?:(
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Never said he wasn't......but on the other hand the Republicans have to interest independents in their candidate and possible some Democrats. I just don't see that happening with this group. Really isn't a stand out in the bunch and if GWB could be re-elected.....

yeah. i guess you're right. and let's face it. it's probably going to get worse either which way the general election goes

I see no good candidate TBH....time to overhaul the nomination/election process. Maybe remove the need for contributions what with the media getting messages out and perhaps we can find some better candidates that aren't wealthy.

yeah. i dont think a two party system is working out too well. and people in general i think rely too much on TV and mainstream news outlets to shape their opinion. so we end up with this strange batch of candidates that nobody really likes and everyone has to pick the one they dislike the least. and as for taking money out of politics. we'd have to take money out of the government and make the whole politic thing not so profitable anymore. but i guess we have to wait for the collapse to see that.
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

I honestly think Gingrich has the best chance of beating Obama in a debate. Newt would mop the floor with Obama.

But I'm glad Romney won over Paul. Romney was my second choice next to Gingrich. Santorum surprised me.

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You....like...Gringrich?:(

im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

I honestly think Gingrich has the best chance of beating Obama in a debate. Newt would mop the floor with Obama.

But I'm glad Romney won over Paul. Romney was my second choice next to Gingrich. Santorum surprised me.

lloveLamp
You....like...Gringrich?:(

im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)

Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?
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At a glance I read the topic title as "Ron Paul comes in 3d in Iowa Caucus's"

"Too bad Gingrich has motion controls!"

I read he was coming in 3d, lost interest.LustForSoul

yay not alone!

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I honestly think Gingrich has the best chance of beating Obama in a debate. Newt would mop the floor with Obama.

But I'm glad Romney won over Paul. Romney was my second choice next to Gingrich. Santorum surprised me.

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Yeay go Gingrich
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I honestly think Gingrich has the best chance of beating Obama in a debate. Newt would mop the floor with Obama.

But I'm glad Romney won over Paul. Romney was my second choice next to Gingrich. Santorum surprised me.

ristactionjakso

Depends on the topic. I do think those debates would be enriching and informative (and hopefully civil).

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You....like...Gringrich?:(

im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)

Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?

well his family was my guess but his biggest problem is that his name sounds a lot like the grinch.
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just don't let Gingrich or Perry win. i'll take anyone over them.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"] im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)lloveLamp
Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?

well his family was my guess but his biggest problem is that his name sounds a lot like the grinch.

and he looks crooked as f*ck

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The fact that there are people out there that truly support Ron Paul is an absurdity that I will never comprehend.

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The fact that there are people out there that truly support Ron Paul is an absurdity that I will never comprehend.

KH-mixerX

Despite his vendetta against the Fed and his desires to shrink the national government back to the size it was in the 1790's, the support for his adherence to the Constitution shouldn't appear all that far-fetched. That idea still resonates with some Americans.

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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You....like...Gringrich?:(LJS9502_basic
im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)

Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?

So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"] im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)ristactionjakso

Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?

So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.

What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Do we really need two threads on the caucus?mexicangordo

You can never have too much Caucus!

Big fan of the Caucusians?
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The fact that there are people out there that truly support Ron Paul is an absurdity that I will never comprehend.

KH-mixerX

His fiscal policy would ruin us, however the good thing is congress pretty much decides what to do with the economy and since his foreign policy is pretty decent I find him the only GOP candidate that isn't reprehensible. I liked Huntsman until he started sucking up to AIPAC to get campaign contributions and the rest are either horrible people or **** insane.

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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?CycleOfViolence

So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.

What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?

He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons.

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Wow the Ron Paul cult is out strong for this election huh? Seriously though, Ron Paul is not a prophet or the messiah. He will not be able to impliment 90% of the policies he 'wants' to. If elected, he will be the same as any other modern president...either a puppet (aka Bush/Clinton), or a slave (aka Obama ironically). Even if Paul truly did become the next rogue Andrew Jackson politician he would be gunned down like JFK unforunately.
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I'm surprised Gingrich didn't come in higher, considering he probably had an affair with at least 60% of the population.
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I'm surprised Gingrich didn't come in higher, considering he probably had an affair with at least 60% of the population. Maniacc1
Probably says something about him as a lover
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"] im sure Gingrich must have some family out there too :)ristactionjakso

Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?

So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.

I'm still fairly sure that Gingrich originally got in this race to sell more books and go on more speaking tours so to suggest Obama is a wannabe celeb and Gingrich is not sounds incredibly absurd to me. granted so do most things you say :roll: , but I'm focusing on this for the moment.
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#49 ristactionjakso
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?Serraph105

So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.

I'm still fairly sure that Gingrich originally got in this race to sell more books and go on more speaking tours so to suggest Obama is a wannabe celeb and Gingrich is not sounds incredibly absurd to me. granted so do most things you say :roll: , but I'm focusing on this for the moment.

Gingrich isn't campaigning to get more publicity for his books. Thats just like me saying Obama is a Muslim or not a American born citizen.

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#50 194197844077667059316682358889
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Gingrich isn't campaigning to get more publicity for his books. Thats just like me saying Obama is a Muslim or not a American born citizen.

ristactionjakso
In no way is it like that; one is demonstrably false, the other is pretty much a matter of opinion. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine which is which.