[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]In no way is it like that; one is demonstrably false, the other is pretty much a matter of opinion. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine which is which. gingrich rhymes with grinch, and obama is black, so you then divide the later by the former and multiply them by the circumference of pudding and the obvious answer is yes. they are both sodomites.Gingrich isn't campaigning to get more publicity for his books. Thats just like me saying Obama is a Muslim or not a American born citizen.
xaos
Ron Paul comes in 3rd in Iowa Caucus's
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yeah I saw that earlier. Didn't seem worthy of comment. I suppose a laugh is fine though.LOL at people calling Obama evil.
GreySeal9
The same people would probably tell you that good and evil don't really exist in the world, just our perception of it.
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.
ristactionjakso
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons. Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land."So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?CycleOfViolence
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
The man is extremely naive in regards to foreign policy. He actually thought we should have worked with Pakistan to take out Bin Laden.
It's funny because Paul has been the most consistent in the polls since the beginning. He has been in about 3rd and 2nd (even 1st a few times) since the race begin, but the media always ignores him. I remember one time CNN was talking about the GOP race and they had Romney up at number 1, Paul in a close 2nd (Really close, just 1% or 2% behind) and Herman Caine who was in 3rd (he was like 6% or 7% behind Paul). And what does CNN do? They just talk about Romeny and Caine, I thought that was pretty stupid!
But even if Paul did win the nominee, he still has no chance of actually winning the General Election. His fanbase is mostly made up of hardcore Libertarians, no one else would vote for him. Also, is foregin policy ispretty bad IMO, I do agree about not getting into wars and stuff. But he goes an extra step and wants to stop foreign aid completely, sorry but some countries depend on us and sometimes you have to stop mass murderers. Also Paul doesn't support Israel so I won't vote for him.
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons. Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land."[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
VanHelsingBoA64
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land."[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons.
ShadowMoses900
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
Thank you. Took words from right out of my mouth.
[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.
ristactionjakso
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons.Iran obtaining a nuke wouldn't mean sh*t. And Israel's a big boy now. He can take care of himself.
It's funny because Paul has been the most consistent in the polls since the beginning. He has been in about 3rd and 2nd (even 1st a few times) since the race begin, but the media always ignores him. I remember one time CNN was talking about the GOP race and they had Romney up at number 1, Paul in a close 2nd (Really close, just 1% or 2% behind) and Herman Caine who was in 3rd (he was like 6% or 7% behind Paul). And what does CNN do? They just talk about Romeny and Caine, I thought that was pretty stupid!
But even if Paul did win the nominee, he still has no chance of actually winning the General Election. His fanbase is mostly made up of hardcore Libertarians, no one else would vote for him. Also, is foregin policy ispretty bad IMO, I do agree about not getting into wars and stuff. But he goes an extra step and wants to stop foreign aid completely, sorry but some countries depend on us and sometimes you have to stop mass murderers. Also Paul doesn't support Israel so I won't vote for him.
ShadowMoses900
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
So? Who in their right mind would vote for Obama or Paul? I believe Gingrich would get the economy back on track. You know, where Obama facepalms everyday. Obama is more like a wannabe celebrity than a President. Paul is just an idiot in foriegn policy.[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dude had ethics charges filed against him, was sanctioned and disciplined...and that is who people want for president.....I have to question the sanity of anyone that would vote for him.:?CycleOfViolence
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
He's a pure isolationist. Last time we did that was before WWII. That worked well.
He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons.[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]
[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
worlock77
Iran obtaining a nuke wouldn't mean sh*t. And Israel's a big boy now. He can take care of himself.
Also
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]I like a lot of Pauls ideas but dont want him to get the nominee, no way in hell he could beat Obama his ideas arent popular enough. And I want Obama to lose. lloveLampI don't think the Republicans have anyone to offer that will beat him.... i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romney We all have different political views, but cant we keep it rational? Obama is in no way 'evil'.
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons. Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land." That's funny I'm from Europe and I was in Israel and I can guarantee you Europe is doing a much better job at eradicating muslims. Israel has a thriving muslim community.[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]
What aspects of Paul's foreign policy are idiotic?
VanHelsingBoA64
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's funny because Paul has been the most consistent in the polls since the beginning. He has been in about 3rd and 2nd (even 1st a few times) since the race begin, but the media always ignores him. I remember one time CNN was talking about the GOP race and they had Romney up at number 1, Paul in a close 2nd (Really close, just 1% or 2% behind) and Herman Caine who was in 3rd (he was like 6% or 7% behind Paul). And what does CNN do? They just talk about Romeny and Caine, I thought that was pretty stupid!
But even if Paul did win the nominee, he still has no chance of actually winning the General Election. His fanbase is mostly made up of hardcore Libertarians, no one else would vote for him. Also, is foregin policy ispretty bad IMO, I do agree about not getting into wars and stuff. But he goes an extra step and wants to stop foreign aid completely, sorry but some countries depend on us and sometimes you have to stop mass murderers. Also Paul doesn't support Israel so I won't vote for him.
DroidPhysX
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
Oh and Iran obtaining a nuke would be bad, very VERY bad! For everyone, not just Israel. It would be like North Korea getting a nuke, everyone is in danger!
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's funny because Paul has been the most consistent in the polls since the beginning. He has been in about 3rd and 2nd (even 1st a few times) since the race begin, but the media always ignores him. I remember one time CNN was talking about the GOP race and they had Romney up at number 1, Paul in a close 2nd (Really close, just 1% or 2% behind) and Herman Caine who was in 3rd (he was like 6% or 7% behind Paul). And what does CNN do? They just talk about Romeny and Caine, I thought that was pretty stupid!
But even if Paul did win the nominee, he still has no chance of actually winning the General Election. His fanbase is mostly made up of hardcore Libertarians, no one else would vote for him. Also, is foregin policy ispretty bad IMO, I do agree about not getting into wars and stuff. But he goes an extra step and wants to stop foreign aid completely, sorry but some countries depend on us and sometimes you have to stop mass murderers. Also Paul doesn't support Israel so I won't vote for him.
ShadowMoses900
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
Israel has nukes correct?[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's funny because Paul has been the most consistent in the polls since the beginning. He has been in about 3rd and 2nd (even 1st a few times) since the race begin, but the media always ignores him. I remember one time CNN was talking about the GOP race and they had Romney up at number 1, Paul in a close 2nd (Really close, just 1% or 2% behind) and Herman Caine who was in 3rd (he was like 6% or 7% behind Paul). And what does CNN do? They just talk about Romeny and Caine, I thought that was pretty stupid!
But even if Paul did win the nominee, he still has no chance of actually winning the General Election. His fanbase is mostly made up of hardcore Libertarians, no one else would vote for him. Also, is foregin policy ispretty bad IMO, I do agree about not getting into wars and stuff. But he goes an extra step and wants to stop foreign aid completely, sorry but some countries depend on us and sometimes you have to stop mass murderers. Also Paul doesn't support Israel so I won't vote for him.
DroidPhysX
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
I don't understand why they support Israel's enemies at the same time.Paulites can co ahead and call me a neo-con or whatever but I wouldn't trust Ron Paul to not put ideology over national security.
GreySeal9
I agree with you, if Ron Paul was in office we would have probably never caught Bin Laden. He wouldn't have pursued him and would just isolate the US from the rest of the world entirely, even in trade. That would cause a HUGE amount of problems!
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
DroidPhysX
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
Israel has nukes correct?Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's funny because Paul has been the most consistent in the polls since the beginning. He has been in about 3rd and 2nd (even 1st a few times) since the race begin, but the media always ignores him. I remember one time CNN was talking about the GOP race and they had Romney up at number 1, Paul in a close 2nd (Really close, just 1% or 2% behind) and Herman Caine who was in 3rd (he was like 6% or 7% behind Paul). And what does CNN do? They just talk about Romeny and Caine, I thought that was pretty stupid!
But even if Paul did win the nominee, he still has no chance of actually winning the General Election. His fanbase is mostly made up of hardcore Libertarians, no one else would vote for him. Also, is foregin policy ispretty bad IMO, I do agree about not getting into wars and stuff. But he goes an extra step and wants to stop foreign aid completely, sorry but some countries depend on us and sometimes you have to stop mass murderers. Also Paul doesn't support Israel so I won't vote for him.
ShadowMoses900
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
Oh and Iran obtaining a nuke would be bad, very VERY bad! For everyone, not just Israel. It would be like North Korea getting a nuke, everyone is in danger!
Last time Israel was engaged by all those countries Israel mopped the floor with them (and attacked a US vessel unprovoked and damn near got the US apoligizing for it to boot). Israel is now considerably strong than then. I'm not sure the same can be said for its neighbors. So no, I'm not really convinced that Israel needs help.
Israel has nukes correct?[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
ShadowMoses900
Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
In your personal opinion... Any country can be good or bad, depending on your point of view.Israel has nukes correct?[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
ShadowMoses900
Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
I don't think the U.S. should be playing favorites when the country they've been playing favorites has nukes to defend themselves. The U.S. has to take care of itself before it thinks about taking care of other countries. This cause for starting wars to promote "freedom and democracy" has cost trillions and has played a great role for the near $15 trillion debt.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Israel has nukes correct?DroidPhysX
Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
I don't think the U.S. should be playing favorites when the country they've been playing favorites has nukes to defend themselves. The U.S. has to take care of itself before it thinks about taking care of other countries. This cause for starting wars to promote "freedom and democracy" has cost trillions and has played a great role for the near $15 trillion debt.I see your point and I kinda agree with you, that was the main reason why I voted for Obama (won't be making that mistake again) because he said he was going to end the war. He FINALLY did it, but he sure took is damn time! But no, the US would simply be supporting Israel just like we would support say England or Canada if they were getting attacked. Which Isarel's neighbors very much want to do to them.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Israel has nukes correct?Nibroc420
Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
In your personal opinion... Any country can be good or bad, depending on your point of view.Really? So in your opinion you think that a country that kills women because they don't wear their veil or brutaly murder homosexuals and Christians is a good one? Wow what world do you live in? Glad I was rasied with better standards and values.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
I think Israel can support themselves. I have no idea why the U.S. can't just back off.
worlock77
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
Oh and Iran obtaining a nuke would be bad, very VERY bad! For everyone, not just Israel. It would be like North Korea getting a nuke, everyone is in danger!
Last time Israel was engaged by all those countries Israel mopped the floor with them (and attacked a US vessel unprovoked and damn near got the US apoligizing for it to boot). Israel is now considerably strong than then. I'm not sure the same can be said for its neighbors. So no, I'm not really convinced that Israel needs help.
You sure? Last time Israel was engaged with all of them was in 73 and while Israel did won in the end it was not really "mopping the floor". In the beginning Israel was so desperate they even prepared the nukes I've heard. Also the USS liberty incident was in 67 not 73 and it was a mistake from Israel's side and they paid compensation for the lost lives and the ship. Why it's important for you to make Israel look bad? In any case Israel's neighbors has become significantly stronger. You think they still use old MIG's? Even groups like Hezbollah has modern equipment. Saudi Arabia has a top notch army with modern equipment from USA and they spend a big part of their budget on their army. On the same level as Israel. Difference is Saudi has a much bigger army. And you realize the rest yourself.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Israel has nukes correct?DroidPhysX
Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
I don't think the U.S. should be playing favorites when the country they've been playing favorites has nukes to defend themselves. The U.S. has to take care of itself before it thinks about taking care of other countries. This cause for starting wars to promote "freedom and democracy" has cost trillions and has played a great role for the near $15 trillion debt. How about not giving military aid to muslim countries then first? And Are you saying Israel should use those nukes? It's sounds like it.Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land."[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]He doesn't see Iran as a nation that hates America. He wouldn't care if they obtained a nuke, nor would he help Israel in a war against Iran or others who hate them. He just wouldn't care about other a**hole countries having big weapons.
ShadowMoses900
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know.In your personal opinion... Any country can be good or bad, depending on your point of view.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Israel is a good country, Iran is not.
ShadowMoses900
Really? So in your opinion you think that a country that kills women because they don't wear their veil or brutaly murder homosexuals and Christians is a good one? Wow what world do you live in? Glad I was rasied with better standards and values.
Dont twist my words. People from differing countries will have differing values based on the societies they live in. Through this, People develop differing meanings of what they personally view as "good" and "bad" Simply because you personally disagree with another society's methods, doesn't mean you should bash that country and condemn war upon them.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land."VanHelsingBoA64
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know. I guess then no country in a war has the right to exist which would mean there would be no countries. Good to know.Overall, Israel conducts themselves better than Iran, but that doesn't mean they conduct themselves particularly well. We want stable democracies like Israel in the Middle East, but much of their conduct is no good.
GreySeal9
There is no doubt Israel has done some bad things, like blocking aid ships ect... but their core values and goals are good ones and similar to ours. Build a safe place where Democracy can flourish and protect your citizens. The arab countries don't have that goal, just to kill the Jews and stop democracy.
[QUOTE="lloveLamp"] i dont know. obama is really evil though and im sure exposing all his lies and evil doings is going to turn a lot of people over to papa romneyNinja-HippoWe all have different political views, but cant we keep it rational? Obama is in no way 'evil'.
There is nothing irrational about calling a scumbag lawyer evil.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Overall, Israel conducts themselves better than Iran, but that doesn't mean they conduct themselves particularly well. We want stable democracies like Israel in the Middle East, but much of their conduct is no good.
ShadowMoses900
There is no doubt Israel has done some bad things, like blocking aid ships ect... but their core values and goals are good ones and similar to ours. Build a safe place where Democracy can flourish and protect your citizens. The arab countries don't have that goal, just to kill the Jews and stop democracy.
What was bad about that?
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Overall, Israel conducts themselves better than Iran, but that doesn't mean they conduct themselves particularly well. We want stable democracies like Israel in the Middle East, but much of their conduct is no good.
There is no doubt Israel has done some bad things, like blocking aid ships ect... but their core values and goals are good ones and similar to ours. Build a safe place where Democracy can flourish and protect your citizens. The arab countries don't have that goal, just to kill the Jews and stop democracy.
Wow it seems like simple minded Western propoganda sure has worked on you.[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know. I guess then no country in a war has the right to exist which would mean there would be no countries. Good to know. What?The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
themajormayor
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] In your personal opinion... Any country can be good or bad, depending on your point of view.Nibroc420
Really? So in your opinion you think that a country that kills women because they don't wear their veil or brutaly murder homosexuals and Christians is a good one? Wow what world do you live in? Glad I was rasied with better standards and values.
Dont twist my words. People from differing countries will have differing values based on the societies they live in. Through this, People develop differing meanings of what they personally view as "good" and "bad" Simply because you personally disagree with another society's methods, doesn't mean you should bash that country and condemn war upon them.Twist your words? Your the one who said "it's all opinion blah blah blah", you said it again. "Just different cultures, you should accept it and not bash it blah blah blah"
Well guess what? Your wrong! Some cultures are backwards and do things that are wrong. And a country that opresses women and kills gays and Non Muslims and whose main goal is killing Jews, I would say that is a pretty bad culture. It's uncivilaized. You saying otherwise is just dumb and naive, stop trying to be mr PC aorund here, everyone knows the truth.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Overall, Israel conducts themselves better than Iran, but that doesn't mean they conduct themselves particularly well. We want stable democracies like Israel in the Middle East, but much of their conduct is no good.
ShadowMoses900
There is no doubt Israel has done some bad things, like blocking aid ships ect... but their core values and goals are good ones and similar to ours. Build a safe place where Democracy can flourish and protect your citizens. The arab countries don't have that goal, just to kill the Jews and stop democracy.
I don't think people realise that this is a tough neighbourhood, this isn't western Europe were everyone are relatively friendly to each other, there are times when international law is thrown out the window because its simply not feasable or even dangerous to the party concerned. now Ive heard the argument of "Israel is a democracy , so its held up to a higher standard , " but when youre in the jungle, sometimes you have to act like a wild animal to survive (as cliche as that sounds). the only nation in the region that tried to be a multicultural , multifaith , relatively liberal country in the region was Lebanon , and frankly, it ended up in a brutal civil war , and was used by its neighbours as a political tool and playground.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] Yeah, we should be helping Israel eradicate Muslims in the Middle East so that the Zionists can keep colonizing the "promised land."VanHelsingBoA64
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know.They don't target civilians, just military targets. The arabs however target civilain targets like markets and schools. Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.
People who don't think Israel has a right to exist are bigots pure and simple.
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
No, imagine living in a state like the size of mabey Rhode Island (mabey a little bigger) and being surronded by neighboring countries that don't acknowledge your existence and hate you and want you gone off the face of the map! Now you are a good country with good values and you believe in Democracy and freedom, but your neighbors sure don't, they are radical dictator regimes and they oppress other religions, ethnic groups, and women and they want to kill you. And keep in mind that they are surronding you.
That is the postition Israel is in, Israel is the victim. Supporting Israel means supporting freedom and democracy, in the arab countries woem for instance are beat to death and are oppressed, but not in Israel. Women have all the rights of men, hell even Israel let's gays serve in their military, that would never happen in an arab country, I think you know what they would do to them. As you can see Israel needs help, it is the shining becaon of democracy in the middle east.
Oh and Iran obtaining a nuke would be bad, very VERY bad! For everyone, not just Israel. It would be like North Korea getting a nuke, everyone is in danger!
themajormayor
Last time Israel was engaged by all those countries Israel mopped the floor with them (and attacked a US vessel unprovoked and damn near got the US apoligizing for it to boot). Israel is now considerably strong than then. I'm not sure the same can be said for its neighbors. So no, I'm not really convinced that Israel needs help.
You sure? Last time Israel was engaged with all of them was in 73 and while Israel did won in the end it was not really "mopping the floor". In the beginning Israel was so desperate they even prepared the nukes I've heard. Also the USS liberty incident was in 67 not 73 and it was a mistake from Israel's side and they paid compensation for the lost lives and the ship. Why it's important for you to make Israel look bad? In any case Israel's neighbors has become significantly stronger. You think they still use old MIG's? Even groups like Hezbollah has modern equipment. Saudi Arabia has a top notch army with modern equipment from USA and they spend a big part of their budget on their army. On the same level as Israel. Difference is Saudi has a much bigger army. And you realize the rest yourself.- Fair enough, I kinda forgot about the Yom Kippur War. Although that war was only two nations (with verbal support from a couple and supply support from some others) against Israel, lasted a couple weeks and still resulted in Egypt and Syria sustaining much heavier losses than Israel.
- As far as the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, Israel claims it was a mistake, yet many, including several who within the US government, military, and even some who were onboard the Liberty, believe that the ship was clearly identified yet the attack continued.
- Let me guess....anything less that absolute unwavering support of Israel is trying to "make Israel look bad"? I guess I should thank you for not calling me an anti-semite at least.
- Most of Israel's neighbors can even deal with their own sh*t these days. And Jordan is on peaceful terms with Israel. Saudi Arabia? A non-issue. Saudi Arabia isn't going to do anything to Israel now and doesn't, to my knowledge, threaten to. The Saudi's depend too much on friendly relations with western countries keeping their ruiling family wealthy from oil profits.
Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.ShadowMoses900
Oh Jesus Christ.....
So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know.[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
ShadowMoses900
They don't target civilians, just military targets. The arabs however target civilain targets like markets and schools. Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.
People who don't think Israel has a right to exist are bigots pure and simple.
Israel only exists because of the West. Israel only continues to exist because of the West. Why? Because pro Zionist officials and economic elite have their hands in the pockets of Western politicians making sure Israel continues to exist.Israel is a zionist, semi fascist police state that has aspirations of subduing the Middle East and and eventually being a major independant player in the world. All of the self respecting, non zionist Jewish people live in Europe and the US.
So no, people who don't think Israel has the right to exist are people who recognize it is a thief and cancer to the world.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.worlock77
Oh Jesus Christ.....
That's why I nominated him for the "Everything is subjective..." Award for crappiest debater in the NOTcars.So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know.[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The State of Israel has every right to exist, why don't you tell the Arabs to stop trying to kill the Jews?
ShadowMoses900
They don't target civilians, just military targets. The arabs however target civilain targets like markets and schools. Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.
People who don't think Israel has a right to exist are bigots pure and simple.
Dude what the hell? First of all, as far as I know Gosling is Mormon. Not only that, but you're basically implying that "JEWS RUN THE MEDIA OHNO" which is probably the most bigoted comment thus far. Second when did I ever say I hated Israel? I just don't like the concept of the US wasting money, resources, and LIVES in the Middle East when these problems are really never going to be solved. And LOL at not targetting civilians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D4pH-QsuiaE[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know.chandlerr_360
They don't target civilians, just military targets. The arabs however target civilain targets like markets and schools. Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.
People who don't think Israel has a right to exist are bigots pure and simple.
Israel only exists because of the West. Israel only continues to exist because of the West. Why? Because pro Zionist officials and economic elite have their hands in the pockets of Western politicians making sure Israel continues to exist.Israel is a zionist, semi fascist police state that has aspirations of subduing the Middle East and and eventually being a major independant player in the world. All of the self respecting, non zionist Jewish people live in Europe and the US.
So no, people who don't think Israel has the right to exist are people who recognize it is a thief and cancer to the world.
lol, thats a pretty hilarious view I have to say[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] So, the right to exist means that governments can waste civilians whenever they please? Good to know.chandlerr_360
They don't target civilians, just military targets. The arabs however target civilain targets like markets and schools. Also ironic that you hate Israel and Hebrews and yet you have an actor in your sig, do you know who started Hollywood and the film industry? If you like movies than you shouldn't be against Israel, you could never get a job in the film industry with your attitude or views.
People who don't think Israel has a right to exist are bigots pure and simple.
Israel only exists because of the West. Israel only continues to exist because of the West. Why? Because pro Zionist officials and economic elite have their hands in the pockets of Western politicians making sure Israel continues to exist.Israel is a zionist, semi fascist police state that has aspirations of subduing the Middle East and and eventually being a major independant player in the world. All of the self respecting, non zionist power hungry Jewish people live in Europe and the US.
So no, people who don't think Israel has the right to exist are people who recognize it is a thief and cancer to the world.
Israel has as much right to exist as any country. Perhaps things could have been handled differently after WWII, but the people of Israel have lived, worked, been born, bleed and died on that land for several generations now. They have the right to be there.
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