[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="Matts07"][quote="Truth_Seekr"] In any event, people dont seem to realize that 9/11 was used to launch 2 illegal wars, US vs Iraq and US vs Afghanistan. 9/11 was also the pretext to take away our rights, in exchange for "security". You have the Military Tribunal Act, The Department of Homeland Security which brought the Patriot Act enabling the govt to spy on US citizens and a bunch of other legislations that are designed to strip us of our civil lberties, so that we have no power asa people to fight back against our government leaders.
Matts07
How was US vs. Afghanistan illegal? We flushed out all the terrorists that were responsible for 9/11. Iraq is a different story, but the fighting inAfghanistan was definatly needed.
First, right after September 11 President Bush called these attacks an act of terrorism, which they were under the United States domestic law definition at that time. However, there is no generally accepted definition of an act of terrorism under international law. Soon thereafter, aftersome consultations with Secretary of State Powell, he proceeded to call these an act of war, ratcheting up the rhetoric and the legal and constitutional issues at stake here. They were not an act of war as traditionally defined. An act of war is a military attack by one state against another state. T
So far no there isevidence produced that the state of Afghanistan, either attacked the United States or authorized or approved such an attack. Indeed, FBI Director Mueller and the deputy director of the CIA publically admitted that they have found no evidence in Afghanistan linked to the September 11 attacks. If you believe the government's account of what happened, which I think is highly questionable, 15 of these 19 people alleged to have committed these attacks were from Saudi Arabia and yet we went to war against Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is hardly even a country and we didn't go to war against Afghanistan, we didn't fight their soldiers like in Iraq. We went to war with the terrorists in Afghanistan. Also Osama Binladin resided in that country along with most of the people he commanded and while you believe differentlymost people including me dobelieve he organized the attacks so why wouldn't the US go into the country and try to capture a terrorist that organized attacks thatkilled thousands of people.
Clearly, on 9/11 there were acts of terrorism as defined by United States domestic law at the time, but not an act of war. Normally terrorism is dealt with as a matter of international and domestic law enforcement. Indeed there was a treaty directly on point at that time, the Montreal Sabotage Convention to which both the United States andAFghanistan were parties. It has an entire regime to deal with all issues in dispute here, including access to the International Court of Justice to resolve international disputes arising under the Treaty such as the extradition of Bin Laden, as you say had to be done. The Bush administration completely ignored this treaty, jettisoned it, set it aside, never even mentioned it. They paid no attention to this treaty or any of the other 12 international treaties dealing with acts of terrorism that could have been applied to handle this manner in a peaceful, lawful way
our President, Bush,instead went to the Security Council to get a resolution authorizing the use of military force against Afghanistan and Al Qaeda. He failed. You have to remember that. If you read the two resolutions that he got, and they are public for all to see.it is very clear that what Bush, Jr. tried to do was to get the exact same type of language that Bush, Sr. got from the U.N. Security Council in the late fall of 1990 to authorize a war against Iraq to produce its expulsion from Kuwait. It is very clear if you read these resolutions, Bush, Jr. tried to get the exact same language twice and they failed. Indeed the first Security Council resolution refused to call what happened on September 11 an "armed attack"--that is by one state against another state. Rather they called it "terrorist attacks." But the critical point here, are you ready?, is that this war has never been approved by the U.N. Security Council!!!11!1!1 so technically it is illegal under international law.
As a matter of fact, itconstitutes an actof war and aggression by the United States against Afghanistan
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