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#101 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="snakes_codec"]in my experience Scots don't want independents they just want a bigger say a referendum wont be successful as most Scots only voted SNP because of there was no one else to vote for.BurnsOfRage
Lib dems had power sharing in Scotland and have always been a stronger alternative.. the recent election of the SNP is because of a shift in public opinion... As you can see from the above post I am from Scotland and live in Scotland. It is also my privilege to work with people from all walks of life, and while there is a lot of disagreement about how Scotland should become independent there is general agreement that it should be.

That is absolutely untrue. There isn't "general agreement" at all, the scottish independence movement is a minority to say the very least. Heck, a minority of scots voted for devolution; that means the majority of scottish residents didn't even want their own government separate from london, never mind their own independant country.
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#102 snakes_codec
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[QUOTE="BurnsOfRage"][QUOTE="snakes_codec"]in my experience Scots don't want independents they just want a bigger say a referendum wont be successful as most Scots only voted SNP because of there was no one else to vote for.Ninja-Hippo
Lib dems had power sharing in Scotland and have always been a stronger alternative.. the recent election of the SNP is because of a shift in public opinion... As you can see from the above post I am from Scotland and live in Scotland. It is also my privilege to work with people from all walks of life, and while there is a lot of disagreement about how Scotland should become independent there is general agreement that it should be.

That is absolutely untrue. There isn't "general agreement" at all, the scottish independence movement is a minority to say the very least. Heck, a minority of scots voted for devolution; that means the majority of scottish residents didn't even want their own government separate from london, never mind their own independant country.

exactly

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#103 BurnsOfRage
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="BurnsOfRage"] Lib dems had power sharing in Scotland and have always been a stronger alternative.. the recent election of the SNP is because of a shift in public opinion... As you can see from the above post I am from Scotland and live in Scotland. It is also my privilege to work with people from all walks of life, and while there is a lot of disagreement about how Scotland should become independent there is general agreement that it should be. snakes_codec

That is absolutely untrue. There isn't "general agreement" at all, the scottish independence movement is a minority to say the very least. Heck, a minority of scots voted for devolution; that means the majority of scottish residents didn't even want their own government separate from london, never mind their own independant country.

exactly

Devolution was a long time ago... and the success of the Scottish Parliament has changed general opinion. Anyway Im not talking about the "independence movement"... Ive already stated that most people disagree on the route to independence. The desire for independence is, however, shared by the majority.
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#104 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="BurnsOfRage"] Devolution was a long time ago... and the success of the Scottish Parliament has changed general opinion. Anyway Im not talking about the "independence movement"... Ive already stated that most people disagree on the route to independence. The desire for independence is, however, shared by the majority.

Um, no. I'm not even scottish and i appear to know more about this than you do. It wasn't a long time ago, it was april of last year. Do you mean to say national opinion has completely changed in that time? "1 in 5 people said they desired scottish independence." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/alan_cochrane/blog/2008/04/30/scotland_doesnt_want_independence The desire for independence is shared by the majority, you say? :| If scotland where independent, you'd face a social crisis. It's one of the slowest economies in the world. "The YouGov poll shows 59 per cent of Scots would vote in a referendum to retain the Scottish Parliament in a similar form, with only 25 per cent in favour of a completely separate state outside the UK" Also, in april of last year a vote was held asking whether the scottish parliament should be given more power, and only 19% said yes!
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#105 BurnsOfRage
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Um, no. I'm not even scottish and i appear to know more about this than you do. It wasn't a long time ago, it was april of last year. Do you mean to say national opinion has completely changed in that time? "1 in 5 people said they desired scottish independence." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/alan_cochrane/blog/2008/04/30/scotland_doesnt_want_independence The desire for independence is shared by the majority, you say? :| If scotland where independent, you'd face a social crisis. It's one of the slowest economies in the world.

I was meaning devolution was a long time ago also http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1907907.0.0.php I will grant you that this poll shows 40% for and 44%against but if you take into consideration that the majority against are in the over 65 category then you can also accept that this result is caused by a large population of people that have know the old system for most of their lives. Plus the fact that only the very occasional person I meet is against independence and I live and work in Scotland 365 days a year. And our economy is slow because most of our productivity and natural resources are automatically redirected south.
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#106 BurnsOfRage
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Also the poll I provided asks the direct question of pulling out of the union.. your one did not.
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#107 Ninja-Hippo
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You're using the survey which was shot down for using a loaded question? :|
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#108 Ninja-Hippo
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Also the poll I provided asks the direct question of pulling out of the union.. your one did not.BurnsOfRage
Um... it says do you support a fully independent scotland. That's not a direct question of pulling out of the union, is it? Sorry, but this is undeniable. The majority of people in scotland do not support independence. Even the nationalist's attempt to use a loaded question ended up with minority support. I dont care about all the people who meet on your travels, YouGov polls are much more accurate than anecdotes.
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#109 BurnsOfRage
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Cool agree to disagree.. but my survey didnt have a loaded question ? dont know where that came from.
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#110 BurnsOfRage
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Cool agree to disagree.. but my survey didnt have a loaded question ? dont know where that came from.BurnsOfRage
nope scratch that.. saw what you meant..
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Um, no. I'm not even scottish and i appear to know more about this than you do. It wasn't a long time ago, it was april of last year. Do you mean to say national opinion has completely changed in that time? "1 in 5 people said they desired scottish independence." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/alan_cochrane/blog/2008/04/30/scotland_doesnt_want_independence The desire for independence is shared by the majority, you say? :| If scotland where independent, you'd face a social crisis. It's one of the slowest economies in the world.BurnsOfRage
I was meaning devolution was a long time ago also http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1907907.0.0.php I will grant you that this poll shows 40% for and 44%against but if you take into consideration that the majority against are in the over 65 category then you can also accept that this result is caused by a large population of people that have know the old system for most of their lives. Plus the fact that only the very occasional person I meet is against independence and I live and work in Scotland 365 days a year. And our economy is slow because most of our productivity and natural resources are automatically redirected south.

this is a wasted argument if we are going into who economics pure and simply your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on the only sector of the British Economy that makes money theses days is the service sector witch is for the most part based out of London add that with the Population differences where Scotland only has around 4 million people living there England has close to 60 million and rising fast in terms of money the English generate more money into the Economy then Scotland Wales & Norther Ireland twice over .

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#112 Bourbons3
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Thankfully the UK only gets about 3% of its gas from the Soviets. Otherwise, we'd be stuffed.
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#113 BurnsOfRage
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where Scotland only has around 4 million people living there England has close to 60 million and rising fast in terms of money the English generate more money into the Economy then Scotland Wales Norther Ireland twice over .snakes_codec
Diff in population yet only twice over... remember you started this topic talking about all that gas "you" have.