Sarah Palin Speaking at Tea Party Convention

To me she does. I don't cringe everytime I hear her speak, as opposed to our President.

Apparently the tea party thinks so as well.

airshocker

Arn't the actual founders of the tea party against the entire convention due to a laughable 500 dollar entry fee? Thats stickin it to the man for "making you pay too much!". Make people pay too much just to enter.

First of all, good way of thinking shallow. We're in a recession where many are loosing their jobs daily. Is it their fault they loose their employer healthcare? No. There are even some who are working and paying for healthcare. This right wing view of every person without healthcare is just a lazy person who just relies on the Government is pathetic.

Getting back to topic, I don't agree with Obama's overhaul either. We are just in a situation that although our healthcare system is pretty crappy, it just needs some tweaking and it will be fine. I personally like India's way of healthcare (search that up and check it out). It works pretty well, and it is cheap enough for everyone to afford.

By the way, there is nothing wrong with Universal Healthcare in a Capitalistic society. It doesn't automatically make you "Socialist". Obama is nothing close to being a socialist at all. You have to be a pretty big idiot if you really think Obama is a socialist..

taj7575

Who are you to call me shallow? Because my beliefs don't coincide with your help-all attitude I'm a bad person? I don't believe in helping people who can't be helped or don't want to be helped. If I want to help somebody, I will donate to a charity that I believe in. I don't need the government to tell me how to be a good citizen. After four years in the military and two tours in Iraq I believe I've earned my freedom.

If there are people who are completely unable to get healthcare and need it from the government, the government can pay for it themselves. Or you can donate your entire pay check to the cause. I have a family to support.

Obama is a liberal. Most of his policies support taking money from those who have it and giving it to those who don't. That is socialism.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

To me she does. I don't cringe everytime I hear her speak, as opposed to our President.

Apparently the tea party thinks so as well.

Pixel-Pirate

Arn't the actual founders of the tea party against the entire convention due to a laughable 500 dollar entry fee? Thats stickin it to the man for "making you pay too much!". Make people pay too much just to enter.

There will always be people who abuse any system, you should NEVER withhold help to those who need it because some jerk is abusing it. All government programs should be designed to help people get off it not stay on it. Welfare included. Help people so they dont need it.MoonMarvel

Yes you should. Because people won't learn until something bad happens and they're forced to deal with it on their own.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Nethrana465"]im not paying you to make my pizzas anymoreNethrana465

I'm actually a cop in NYS. Now I'm reporting you because you're being pretty offensive.

http://www.gamespot.com/misc/tos.html

Look at "flaming"

lol your a fail of a cop then, u forget the first amendment?Nethrana465

Your first-amendment rights don't apply on a website with a terms of service agreement. WHich states you aren't allowed to insult other users.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

First of all, good way of thinking shallow. We're in a recession where many are loosing their jobs daily. Is it their fault they loose their employer healthcare? No. There are even some who are working and paying for healthcare. This right wing view of every person without healthcare is just a lazy person who just relies on the Government is pathetic.

Getting back to topic, I don't agree with Obama's overhaul either. We are just in a situation that although our healthcare system is pretty crappy, it just needs some tweaking and it will be fine. I personally like India's way of healthcare (search that up and check it out). It works pretty well, and it is cheap enough for everyone to afford.

By the way, there is nothing wrong with Universal Healthcare in a Capitalistic society. It doesn't automatically make you "Socialist". Obama is nothing close to being a socialist at all. You have to be a pretty big idiot if you really think Obama is a socialist..

airshocker

Who are you to call me shallow? Because my beliefs don't coincide with your help-all attitude I'm a bad person? I don't believe in helping people who can't be helped or don't want to be helped. If I want to help somebody, I will donate to a charity that I believe in. I don't need the government to tell me how to be a good citizen. After four years in the military and two tours in Iraq I believe I've earned my freedom.

If there are people who are completely unable to get healthcare and need it from the government, the government can pay for it themselves. Or you can donate your entire pay check to the cause. I have a family to support.

Obama is a liberal. Most of his policies support taking money from those who have it and giving it to those who don't. That is socialism.

So you will give it to a charity who will help with the unemployed? How will they access the information to find the unemployed, give them money, help them out? How will they help them with their job searches? How will they help them with finding cheap insurance?

You know who will handle that right now? The Government. Like I said before, we are in a time where people need help. Daily job losses with slowly growing jobs is not a time where you just tell people "oh well, though luck". I'm not saying you are shallow because I disagree with you, it's because at the time we are living in now, you are saying people are just taking advantage of welfare. How the hell is that not shallow? Oh and thanks for serving in the military, but what does that have anything to do with this?

The taxes right now arent massive compared to the unemployed right now who are paying thousands mothly to keep their healtcare going.

Liberalism is a very shallow, moderate socialism. Should I call every conservative a libertarian now?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

Scott Brown was against Obama's version of universal healthcare. He has said he wants healthcare changes, but just not Obama's style. Oh, and having Universal Healthcare is not "Socialism".

T_P_O

He said he wants healthcare reform. As in positive change. Not an overhaul that would put us into more debt and require more taxes so that the lazy orunwilling can be paid for by hard-working Americans.

Yes, it is socialism.

I agree. Didn't he just speak out against elitism somewhere in this thread and now he's calling anyone who needs financial assistance lazy? I find that rather offensive. It'd be like if I said anyone who doesn't support Obama is a racist. It's a gross generalization.

[QUOTE="Nethrana465"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

I'm actually a cop in NYS. Now I'm reporting you because you're being pretty offensive.

Mafiree

http://www.gamespot.com/misc/tos.html

Look at "flaming"

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]There will always be people who abuse any system, you should NEVER withhold help to those who need it because some jerk is abusing it. All government programs should be designed to help people get off it not stay on it. Welfare included. Help people so they dont need it.airshocker

Yes you should. Because people won't learn until something bad happens and they're forced to deal with it on their own.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]There will always be people who abuse any system, you should NEVER withhold help to those who need it because some jerk is abusing it. All government programs should be designed to help people get off it not stay on it. Welfare included. Help people so they dont need it.airshocker

Yes you should. Because people won't learn until something bad happens and they're forced to deal with it on their own.

"And if they would rather die, they should do so! And decrease the surplus population" right?

So you will give it to a charity who will help with the unemployed? How will they access the information to find the unemployed, give them money, help them out? How will they help them with their job searches? How will they help them with finding cheap insurance?

You know who will handle that right now? The Government. Like I said before, we are in a time where people need help. Daily job losses with slowly growing jobs is not a time where you just tell people "oh well, though luck". I'm not saying you are shallow because I disagree with you, it's because at the time we are living in now, you are saying people are just taking advantage of welfare. How the hell is that not shallow? Oh and thanks for serving in the military, but what does that have anything to do with this?

The taxes right now arent massive compared to the unemployed right now who are paying thousands mothly to keep their healtcare going.

Liberalism is a very shallow, moderate socialism. Should I call every conservative a libertarian now?

taj7575

...and the government is trust-worthy? They didn't do so hot with the stimulus checks. It would be MY fault for choosing a charity that didn't do what it was intended to.

The Government was NEVER designed to help people in this way. I never said EVERYONE is taking advantage of welfare. But a system where that is ALLOWED to happen is a system that needs to be replaced. That will promote people being more responsible with their lives.

The economy will get better, but only if we leave it alone and allow free-market principles to run their course. The government and many businesses have made mistakes. Now it's time for them to either get stronger, or go away.

I'm sorry, but I will never agree with taxes on the rich to give to the poor. We're not a society where it's honorable to steal from the rich and give to the poor. It's called theft. Plain and simple.

I feel bad for those who are in a tough spot. But why should I have to sacrifice in the process? I have a stable job, I run an ebay business, I do some landscaping and snow removal work, why should my hard-earned money go to a government I don't trust to spend it wisely?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]There will always be people who abuse any system, you should NEVER withhold help to those who need it because some jerk is abusing it. All government programs should be designed to help people get off it not stay on it. Welfare included. Help people so they dont need it.MoonMarvel

Yes you should. Because people won't learn until something bad happens and they're forced to deal with it on their own.

It really is, especially at the state we are in now. People need government help. I can't believe people would support the "tough luck" situation than to help others. This shallow minded view that people on welfare are lazy is pathetic, especially now.

No. People dont always have the ability to deal with it, some need help or they will stay below the poverty line forever. Denying them help is immoral. You need a good education to get ahead, some cant afford it so what do they do? Suffer? If they have a medical problem preventing them from getting work and they cant afford to have it fixed, should they suffer? No, and denying them help is immoral. I would rather socialists take over america and help people for the better of us then continue the forgret those lazy jerks view the current mistakes have. No wonder we are falling behind, so many refuse to help others. Shameful.MoonMarvel

Is it not the way of the world for the strong to survive and weak not to? That's a very cold way of looking at it and I don't think it should apply in every situation but in times where it will make the strong weaker and the weak stronger, it's unacceptable.

Now if there's a way for the strong to remain strong and the weak to get stronger, I'm all for that.

All of this sounds like I'm being punished for working hard and doing well. How is that fair?

-To everyone attac... err discussing with airshocker.

So he's conservative. Whoop-de-freaking-doo. I would join in this thread about what I think about Sarah Palin, but after being on this forum for over 2 years now, I've learned it is dominated by grumpy liberals. Or at least, they are the ones who post the most in these type of political threads.

So perhaps, let him post to one person at a time?

/rant

Oh, and to airshocker, you've come to the wrong place to talk politics. If you're not liberal, you're an outcast.

Oh, and to airshocker, you've come to the wrong place to talk politics. If you're not liberal, you're an outcast.

battlefront23

Lol, thanks for the defense, but I like being outnumbered.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]No. People dont always have the ability to deal with it, some need help or they will stay below the poverty line forever. Denying them help is immoral. You need a good education to get ahead, some cant afford it so what do they do? Suffer? If they have a medical problem preventing them from getting work and they cant afford to have it fixed, should they suffer? No, and denying them help is immoral. I would rather socialists take over america and help people for the better of us then continue the forgret those lazy jerks view the current mistakes have. No wonder we are falling behind, so many refuse to help others. Shameful.airshocker

Is it not the way of the world for the strong to survive and weak not to? That's a very cold way of looking at it and I don't think it should apply in every situation but in times where it will make the strong weaker and the weak stronger, it's unacceptable.

Now if there's a way for the strong to remain strong and the weak to get stronger, I'm all for that.

All of this sounds like I'm being punished for working hard and doing well. How is that fair?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Oh, and to airshocker, you've come to the wrong place to talk politics. If you're not liberal, you're an outcast.

airshocker

Lol, thanks for the defense, but I like being outnumbered.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

So you will give it to a charity who will help with the unemployed? How will they access the information to find the unemployed, give them money, help them out? How will they help them with their job searches? How will they help them with finding cheap insurance?

You know who will handle that right now? The Government. Like I said before, we are in a time where people need help. Daily job losses with slowly growing jobs is not a time where you just tell people "oh well, though luck". I'm not saying you are shallow because I disagree with you, it's because at the time we are living in now, you are saying people are just taking advantage of welfare. How the hell is that not shallow? Oh and thanks for serving in the military, but what does that have anything to do with this?

The taxes right now arent massive compared to the unemployed right now who are paying thousands mothly to keep their healtcare going.

Liberalism is a very shallow, moderate socialism. Should I call every conservative a libertarian now?

airshocker

...and the government is trust-worthy? They didn't do so hot with the stimulus checks. It would be MY fault for choosing a charity that didn't do what it was intended to.

The Government was NEVER designed to help people in this way. I never said EVERYONE is taking advantage of welfare. But a system where that is ALLOWED to happen is a system that needs to be replaced. That will promote people being more responsible with their lives.

The economy will get better, but only if we leave it alone and allow free-market principles to run their course. The government and many businesses have made mistakes. Now it's time for them to either get stronger, or go away.

I'm sorry, but I will never agree with taxes on the rich to give to the poor. We're not a society where it's honorable to steal from the rich and give to the poor. It's called theft. Plain and simple.

I feel bad for those who are in a tough spot. But why should I have to sacrifice in the process? I have a stable job, I run an ebay business, I do some landscaping and snow removal work, why should my hard-earned money go to a government I don't trust to spend it wisely?

The stimulus checks are awful, but those could easily be fixed by putting a bit more pressure on the companies to produce results. Look at GM for example, and look how much it has helped them. If we can take that mindset to the banks, we will improve.

Thats not always true. Look at the great depression for example. There are some times where we need to rely on the Government for help. If we really always let the free market run it's course and run a laissez-faire style economics, we would be an absolute mess.

Yes there are taxes on the rich, but as we can see, they do not put a significant dent at all. It's just a bit more than the normal middle class.

If you really think about it, the taxes we have arent significantly high. Besides, the ones struggling are still paying the same amount of taxes.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]No. People dont always have the ability to deal with it, some need help or they will stay below the poverty line forever. Denying them help is immoral. You need a good education to get ahead, some cant afford it so what do they do? Suffer? If they have a medical problem preventing them from getting work and they cant afford to have it fixed, should they suffer? No, and denying them help is immoral. I would rather socialists take over america and help people for the better of us then continue the forgret those lazy jerks view the current mistakes have. No wonder we are falling behind, so many refuse to help others. Shameful.MoonMarvel

Is it not the way of the world for the strong to survive and weak not to? That's a very cold way of looking at it and I don't think it should apply in every situation but in times where it will make the strong weaker and the weak stronger, it's unacceptable.

Now if there's a way for the strong to remain strong and the weak to get stronger, I'm all for that.

All of this sounds like I'm being punished for working hard and doing well. How is that fair?

We are not animals(In a bear sense) but humans and this not punishing you. This is using others good fortune to help others not as lucky. What you are supporting is punishing those who have a hard time in life while those like me want to help them. How is it fair a poor person should be punished for being poor?MoonMarvel

Taking my money and not using it in a responsible manner is shameful, not my behavior. It is punishment to raise the taxes on the rich and give that money to the poor.

The poor should have opportunities, but not at my expense.

-To everyone attac... err discussing with airshocker.

So he's conservative. Whoop-de-freaking-doo. I would join in this thread about what I think about Sarah Palin, but after being on this forum for over 2 years now, I've learned it is dominated by grumpy liberals. Or at least, they are the ones who post the most in these type of political threads.

battlefront23

I don't think everyones ganging up on him because he's conservative. It's because he seems to be show this idealogy that all people who need government assistance are lazy leeches who need to lie down and die because only the fittest survive. Which, I hope, is not the general mindset of most conservatives.

So because my job decided to increase the minimum number of hours required per year to qualify for health insurance I'm lazy/ unwilling? Go **** yourself sir.

TyrantDragon55

You're getting offended when I didn't even mention the people in your predictament. Take your anger out on your lame company, not my bank account.

I don't think everyones ganging up on him because he's conservative. It's because he seems to be show this idealogy that all people who need government assistance are lazy leeches who need to lie down and die because only the fittest survive. Which, I hope, is not the general mindset of most conservatives.

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think everyones ganging up on him because he's conservative. It's because he seems to be show this idealogy that all people who need government assistance are lazy leeches who need to lie down and die because only the fittest survive. Which, I hope, is not the general mindset of most conservatives.

Pixel-Pirate

My ideology* is very simple: You work hard, you get rewarded.

It's not my job to help you with my money. It's my job to protect and defend you, not pay your bills.

I could careless if you think I'm selfish. I'm not wrong.

You say that now, but by the 27th debate with 4 or more of the same users, your "tolerance" wanes. A LOT. I'm not even conservative either which is the funny part.battlefront23

It does get a little hard at times. But I try and only debate with people who don't insult me when I'm trying to make my points.

-To everyone attac... err discussing with airshocker.

So he's conservative. Whoop-de-freaking-doo. I would join in this thread about what I think about Sarah Palin, but after being on this forum for over 2 years now, I've learned it is dominated by grumpy liberals. Or at least, they are the ones who post the most in these type of political threads.

So perhaps, let him post to one person at a time?

/rant

Oh, and to airshocker, you've come to the wrong place to talk politics. If you're not liberal, you're an outcast.

battlefront23

I could care less if he was a liberal or conservative. I'm an independent; I could care less about what he was. I've argued with liberals and conservatives on this board.

Oh, and there are many conservatives on this board, and all over GS.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]We are not animals(In a bear sense) but humans and this not punishing you. This is using others good fortune to help others not as lucky. What you are supporting is punishing those who have a hard time in life while those like me want to help them. How is it fair a poor person should be punished for being poor?airshocker

Taking my money and not using it in a responsible manner is shameful, not my behavior. It is punishment to raise the taxes on the rich and give that money to the poor.

The poor should have opportunities, but not at my expense.

Go Sarah Palin. 1-20-13 will be a great day. Those of you against socialism say I

I could care less if he was a liberal or conservative. I'm an independent; I could care less about what he was. I've argued with liberals and conservatives on this board.

Oh, and there are many conservatives on this board, and all over GS.

taj7575

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

-To everyone attac... err discussing with airshocker.

So he's conservative. Whoop-de-freaking-doo. I would join in this thread about what I think about Sarah Palin, but after being on this forum for over 2 years now, I've learned it is dominated by grumpy liberals. Or at least, they are the ones who post the most in these type of political threads.

I don't think everyones ganging up on him because he's conservative. It's because he seems to be show this idealogy that all people who need government assistance are lazy leeches who need to lie down and die because only the fittest survive. Which, I hope, is not the general mindset of most conservatives.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I don't think everyones ganging up on him because he's conservative. It's because he seems to be show this idealogy that all people who need government assistance are lazy leeches who need to lie down and die because only the fittest survive. Which, I hope, is not the general mindset of most conservatives.

airshocker

My ideology* is very simple: You work hard, you get rewarded.

It's not my job to help you with my money. It's my job to protect and defend you, not pay your bills.

I could careless if you think I'm selfish. I'm not wrong.

Yes. People want to work hard and get rewarded. But jobs are coming slow. People are stressing daily calling everyone they can to try to get a job. You really think people enjoy being on welfare, getting less money than they can pay and trying to support a family, all while looking for a job in a slow time for jobs?

So using your money to provide assitance to the poor is not responsible? Are you serious here? How can a poor person have opportunities if they need a good education to get them and they cant get it because they cant afford it? Seriously, you are punishing them because they are poor by refusing them help they need to get ahead. I wouldnt have gotten an education without loans and government grants.MoonMarvel

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying our government doesn't use our money responsibly. If the money ALWAYS got the right people I don't think this country would be in this much debt.

Did you pay back your loans? I hope so, because that's why they're there. I pay back my loans as well.

If they need a good education they should have the opportunity to get one. I don't think our education system is the problem. I think some kids are lazy and don't understand the value of a good education. That's not my problem. It's their own.

I was one of those kids. I had to join the military right after high-school. But I got my degrees by working hard. They weren't given to me for free.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

I could care less if he was a liberal or conservative. I'm an independent; I could care less about what he was. I've argued with liberals and conservatives on this board.

Oh, and there are many conservatives on this board, and all over GS.

battlefront23

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Is it not the way of the world for the strong to survive and weak not to? That's a very cold way of looking at it and I don't think it should apply in every situation but in times where it will make the strong weaker and the weak stronger, it's unacceptable.

Now if there's a way for the strong to remain strong and the weak to get stronger, I'm all for that.

All of this sounds like I'm being punished for working hard and doing well. How is that fair?

Mafiree

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

I could care less if he was a liberal or conservative. I'm an independent; I could care less about what he was. I've argued with liberals and conservatives on this board.

Oh, and there are many conservatives on this board, and all over GS.

battlefront23

Theres nothing wrong with it. Yes people will flame you, but people also want to debate with you why. The problem is when people debate their personal beliefs, for example, gay marriage. They really have a hard time defending it, and in the end, it really just comes to it being their personal belief.

Yes. People want to work hard and get rewarded. But jobs are coming slow. People are stressing daily calling everyone they can to try to get a job. You really think people enjoy being on welfare, getting less money than they can pay and trying to support a family, all while looking for a job in a slow time for jobs?

taj7575

My points aren't being made to the being who are in legitimate trouble and need welfare. A lot don't, and that's where my ire is directed.

It's a slow-time for jobs because the economy is in trouble. Eventually it will even out. The economy won't be fixed by throwing even more money at it. It'll be fixed if we removes a lot of the restrictions that make it costly for businesses to operate in America.

Theres nothing wrong with it. Yes people will flame you, but people also want to debate with you why. The problem is when people debate their personal beliefs, for example, gay marriage. They really have a hard time defending it, and in the end, it really just comes to it being their personal belief.

taj7575

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

So because my job decided to increase the minimum number of hours required per year to qualify for health insurance I'm lazy/ unwilling? Go **** yourself sir.

airshocker

You're getting offended when I didn't even mention the people in your predictament. Take your anger out on your lame company, not my bank account.

No I'm getting offended because of that disgusting generalization you just made. What right do you have to judge anyone in that kind of position? And why is it such a big deal that you have to pay a little extra money to help out those that are less fortunate then yourself? I understand that there are a lot of people that take advantage of the system but there are just as many people who genuinely need that aid.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]So using your money to provide assitance to the poor is not responsible? Are you serious here? How can a poor person have opportunities if they need a good education to get them and they cant get it because they cant afford it? Seriously, you are punishing them because they are poor by refusing them help they need to get ahead. I wouldnt have gotten an education without loans and government grants.airshocker

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying our government doesn't use our money responsibly. If the money ALWAYS got the right people I don't think this country would be in this much debt.

Did you pay back your loans? I hope so, because that's why they're there. I pay back my loans as well.

If they need a good education they should have the opportunity to get one. I don't think our education system is the problem. I think some kids are lazy and don't understand the value of a good education. That's not my problem. It's their own.

I was one of those kids. I had to join the military right after high-school. But I got my degrees by working hard. They weren't given to me for free.

So refusing to aid those in need forcing them to work dead end jobs below the poverty line forever isnt punishment? Looking down on them like they are scum of the earth isnt punishment? But taking a small amount of money from a rich person to aid them some how is? Really?

MoonMarvel

I rarely debate on economic matters so forgive me if I come across as novice.

No I'm getting offended because of that disgusting generalization you just made. What right do you have to judge anyone in that kind of position? And why is it such a big deal that you have to pay a little extra money to help out those that are less fortunate then yourself? I understand that there are a lot of people that take advantage of the system but there are just as many people who genuinely need that aid.

TyrantDragon55

Have you ever been a beat-cop in Jersey City? If not, you have NO IDEA what I've seen that makes me believe in my argument.

It's my money. Who are you to tell me what to do with it?