Saudi may join Nuclear arms race.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

To maintain power. first, it's protests, second, it's civil war, third, they nuke the "enemy". You think Al Saud are smart, they secretly support Israel, have plenty of global Wahabi presence, etc. But one factor you missed, they are snake smart: for power.

Victorious_Fize

people over there think their government supports Israel? new to me, how did they come to that conclusion?

though thats rather a crude way to maintain power, what makes them think the rest of the world won't go berserk on them? (although you could argue they won't do much , as they won't ever impose sanctions over Saudi oil exports)

well thats the thing, I doubt anybody will boycott Saudi oil exports , and encouraging a regime change might create a less agreeable regime (as is happening in Egypt right now)

thats more a situation of "whos the biggest threat?" , and the Saudis would be quite happy for Israel to do the dirty work for them (even if it does also serve Israel's national interests.

whos to say Saudi Arabia won't go back to the older stance once the threat from Iran is removed?

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

Personally don't see a problem if Saudi gets nukes, if Israel has them and so does Iran, that leaves the Arabs - the people in the middle - without them.

I also don't think that the Saudi royals - like the Israeli government - are ever going to use the nukes offensively. It's simply insurance.

The crux for me however is if and when a revolution comes to Saudi and the royals are toppled. Because well... quite a few Saudi's don't think like the royals (in the conservative camp). Some of them will be inclined to use nukes offensively - i fear.

P.S.

I don't think Nayef will ever use nukes. Yes he historically uses the 'hammer' a lot, but he doesn't need to resort to nukes to do that.

Victorious_Fize

Also, don't be an idiot, this place will not be democratic, so mob rule will not set foot on this land. A (Rashidi) Caliphate has historically and upto this day the only thing ever endorsed by the people.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

Personally don't see a problem if Saudi gets nukes, if Israel has them and so does Iran, that leaves the Arabs - the people in the middle - without them.

I also don't think that the Saudi royals - like the Israeli government - are ever going to use the nukes offensively. It's simply insurance.

The crux for me however is if and when a revolution comes to Saudi and the royals are toppled. Because well... quite a few Saudi's don't think like the royals (in the conservative camp). Some of them will be inclined to use nukes offensively - i fear.

P.S.

I don't think Nayef will ever use nukes. Yes he historically uses the 'hammer' a lot, but he doesn't need to resort to nukes to do that.

SaudiFury

Also, don't be an idiot, this place will not be democratic, so mob rule will not set foot on this land. A (Rashidi) Caliphate has historically and upto this day the only thing ever endorsed by the people.

so if Saudis don't want "full democracy" (although Im not sure what that is exactly, can you give an example of a country you would consider a "full democracy) what kind of a democracy? one with elections, but with a constitution based on Islamic law?

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

Personally don't see a problem if Saudi gets nukes, if Israel has them and so does Iran, that leaves the Arabs - the people in the middle - without them.

I also don't think that the Saudi royals - like the Israeli government - are ever going to use the nukes offensively. It's simply insurance.

The crux for me however is if and when a revolution comes to Saudi and the royals are toppled. Because well... quite a few Saudi's don't think like the royals (in the conservative camp). Some of them will be inclined to use nukes offensively - i fear.

P.S.

I don't think Nayef will ever use nukes. Yes he historically uses the 'hammer' a lot, but he doesn't need to resort to nukes to do that.

SaudiFury

Also, don't be an idiot, this place will not be democratic, so mob rule will not set foot on this land. A (Rashidi) Caliphate has historically and upto this day the only thing ever endorsed by the people.

What circles are those? Jeddah and liberal bastions? LOL come down to Nejd, El Mubarraz, Abha, Hael, and get a good taste of the Saudi people. Places like al Qatif, Jeddah, or Makkah, will not show you what Saudis think. I said historically and upto this day, not just history. Who dares oppose al Rashidun's way, championed by the Sunnis, and one of their strictest sects, Abdulwahab's school of thought (althought the one right now is not his, mind you.)? Hell, people look back on the Ottomans as saint. Having anything to do with "Caliphate" is an immidate taker. Nobody ever championed or wanted democracy here, not even me. If you don't think Al Saud are not capable of nuking us, then you'll just confirm how you know nothing of Al Saud, and I'm not about to teach you...

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

people over there think their government supports Israel? new to me, how did they come to that conclusion?

though thats rather a crude way to maintain power, what makes them think the rest of the world won't go berserk on them? (although you could argue they won't do much , as they won't ever impose sanctions over Saudi oil exports)

Darkman2007

well thats the thing, I doubt anybody will boycott Saudi oil exports , and encouraging a regime change might create a less agreeable regime (as is happening in Egypt right now)

thats more a situation of "whos the biggest threat?" , and the Saudis would be quite happy for Israel to do the dirty work for them (even if it does also serve Israel's national interests.

whos to say Saudi Arabia won't go back to the older stance once the threat from Iran is removed?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] No, I said secretly for a reason... rarely do people know that, but they do hold a general view that they are bad. Only if you dig into their "bad" will you know what crap they did. They've used USA as a medium to ending Israeli boycott, opened air borders to them (for Iran), and are plotting with them on some occasions, mostly Iran. The world will do nothing... who would oppose them?Victorious_Fize

well thats the thing, I doubt anybody will boycott Saudi oil exports , and encouraging a regime change might create a less agreeable regime (as is happening in Egypt right now)

thats more a situation of "whos the biggest threat?" , and the Saudis would be quite happy for Israel to do the dirty work for them (even if it does also serve Israel's national interests.

whos to say Saudi Arabia won't go back to the older stance once the threat from Iran is removed?

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Dude... this country has a lot of wealth... I don't think Al Saud will give up on it. They never have since the 17th century. Infact, should Al Saud ever fall, they need to disappear, Abbasy style.

Also, don't be an idiot, this place will not be democratic, so mob rule will not set foot on this land. A (Rashidi) Caliphate has historically and upto this day the only thing ever endorsed by the people.

Darkman2007

so if Saudis don't want "full democracy" (although Im not sure what that is exactly, can you give an example of a country you would consider a "full democracy) what kind of a democracy? one with elections, but with a constitution based on Islamic law?

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

well thats the thing, I doubt anybody will boycott Saudi oil exports , and encouraging a regime change might create a less agreeable regime (as is happening in Egypt right now)

thats more a situation of "whos the biggest threat?" , and the Saudis would be quite happy for Israel to do the dirty work for them (even if it does also serve Israel's national interests.

whos to say Saudi Arabia won't go back to the older stance once the threat from Iran is removed?

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] well in the circles i travel a lot of people want governance with a democratic component to it, not necessarily full-on democracy such as in the West. You make mention of the Saud's presence in the region dating back to the 17th century, and how people historically support a Rashidi Calpihate style. Problem is these are centuries old, right across the border some democratic experimentation is going on. Saudi's don't live within an insulated bubble. No matter how hard some Saudi's try to make it insulated. and this is perhaps the major reason - not what's going on across the border - that makes the Saud's nervous. It's the ideas that could spread in the Kingdom is what scares them the most. If people across the border are fighting for rights, liberties and getting rid of old 'presidents' and dictators. The Saudi's citizens see this. In any case, in the event of a revolution, mob rule always occurs, it's simply a matter of who can take hold of the mob. As for "Al Saud will use the nukes on us sooner" comment. You must be off your rocker man. Saud has come down hard on people before, but they've never resorted to just pulling out the Tornado bombers and bombing city blocks and firing off the Astros II rocket launchers into the cities. In this day and age anyone who uses the nukes - not defensively - and using it on their own people. will almost entirely likely seal their fate. and with the oil factor in the equation, world powers cannot simply ignore it or downplay it. SaudiFury

so if Saudis don't want "full democracy" (although Im not sure what that is exactly, can you give an example of a country you would consider a "full democracy) what kind of a democracy? one with elections, but with a constitution based on Islamic law?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Al Saud created an energy crisis for the USA back in the Arab-Israeli conflict. That is all.Victorious_Fize

Victorious_Fize

Its fair. Israel having nukes is a threat to the world

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]SaudiFury

Yes, not all people think alike, but minorities and unique cities are nothing to be hopeful of.

Al Saud are the biggest snakes there is. I also never said anything about mass killing.You see, they don't even block resistance, and give general freedom for people to voice opposition ("vent" strategy), among other things. What ever your opinion be on religious sentiments in Saudi Arabia are, they still stand mighty strong. Never will KSA fall to secularism and democracy, ever.

I did not only follow up on Al Saud's history, study it, and witness it, I live(d) it, and so have my father, and grandfather, and they all taught me everything there is to know (abdullah philby, how the system runs, and true stories of their actions). Well, mostly my father, as my grandad is just a measly fallah (still is)

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Victorious_Fize

Yes, not all people think alike, but minorities and unique cities are nothing to be hopeful of.

Al Saud are the biggest snakes there is. I also never said anything about mass killing.You see, they don't even block resistance, and give general freedom for people to voice opposition ("vent" strategy), among other things. What ever your opinion be on religious sentiments in Saudi Arabia are, they still stand mighty strong. Never will KSA fall to secularism and democracy, ever.

I did not only follow up on Al Saud's history, study it, and witness it, I live(d) it, and so have my father, and grandfather, and they all taught me everything there is to know (abdullah philby, how the system runs, and true stories of their actions). Well, mostly my father, as my grandad is just a measly fallah (still is)

hi sf, i think this is a great video for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOKrj1vW1oVictorious_Fize

At least by what those guys keep saying.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] To answer your question, people from Jeddah, Riyadh, Hofuf, Al-Khobar, and Dammam. We cannot make the blanket statement that all Saudi's want exactly the same thing. and yes i know anything with religious connotations to them are a big hit with the layman Saudi. The problem is people go too far with it, thinking their making the religion more 'pure'. It's completely disconnected from the reality were living in right now. But a lot of people still go with it. I don't think Al-Saud is capable of nuking it's own people. Been following the royal family for a long time now, read it's history since the days of King Abdul Aziz. The current family is capable of a lot of things, but mass killings is not one of them. SaudiFury

Yes, not all people think alike, but minorities and unique cities are nothing to be hopeful of.

Al Saud are the biggest snakes there is. I also never said anything about mass killing.You see, they don't even block resistance, and give general freedom for people to voice opposition ("vent" strategy), among other things. What ever your opinion be on religious sentiments in Saudi Arabia are, they still stand mighty strong. Never will KSA fall to secularism and democracy, ever.

I did not only follow up on Al Saud's history, study it, and witness it, I live(d) it, and so have my father, and grandfather, and they all taught me everything there is to know (abdullah philby, how the system runs, and true stories of their actions). Well, mostly my father, as my grandad is just a measly fallah (still is)

Best scenario : No nukes for anybody

But in my view "no nukes for only middle easterners" is basically racism.

Either ban nukes for everybody (including Israel and the US) or you have no right to complain about Iran or NK or anywhere else having nukes.

Everybody in the world is not obliged to have the exact same type of government as us.

Live and let live.

If they have nukes, we should have nukes (to hit back if necessary.)

If they don't have nukes, then we don't need nukes either.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]hi sf, i think this is a great video for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOKrj1vW1oSaudiFury

At least by what those guys keep saying.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]hi sf, i think this is a great video for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOKrj1vW1oVictorious_Fize

At least by what those guys keep saying.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"] saw a part of it. and i've seen it on TV before as well. To be really brutally the honest with you man. One word comes to mind Delusional.

At least by what those guys keep saying.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Confirmed.Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Confirmed.Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] huh?abuabed

Nuclear weapons should be abolished for all the same way they did with chemical and bioligical weapons, no good can ever come from having such horrible weapons only pain and suffering on a scale unseen before in human history.

l34052

True story bro. True f*cking story.

[QUOTE="abuabed"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Delusional now?

Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] huh?SaudiFury

I remember seeing you complain about why you're half America, I can now see why. You don't understand the concept of "brotherhood" in Islam. Imams preach and testify for a Caliphate and its potentional, nothing about the end of the world IIRC. You are the one ignoring the realities when you draw those artifical borders between us. Arabs are not different to each other. LOL @ Ali being last Caliph. :lol:

A Caliphate is is one where a leader yostaklif the country with the Laws of Sharia, nothing more, nothing less. The jokes that called themselves so to indulge in un-Islamic sins are simply not Kholofa.

It is imminent, if you think we're all talk like modern Western Christians. Look up al Mujahidun of Afghanistan, or the million Shaheed of Algeria, oh, and don't forget al Mukhtar. ;)

Also, Khilafat =/= Imperialism? Especially when they're supposed to be made for Arabs...

Victorious_Fize

1. I said that the talk about the Caliphate is LIKE the Christian talk about the end of the world. Not the Caliphate would bring about the end of the world, but see my point #4.

2. It has always seemed to me the the Caliphate, the leaders, would have to be god-like demigods, never falling into sins or having anything that would or could bismerch it's image. Or having any of it's members indulge in sins. and you know pretty well imagery is important in the Arab World, how one looks to the rest of the world.

3. The Soviet War in Afghanistan? the Algerian Independence War? what did these result the rise of the Taliban - which are made of some of the Mujahadeen - probably one of the worst regimes that have ever ruled on the Earth. the Shaheed in Algeria, bring rise to a military dictatorship. So whenever we have self-described Holy Warriors, it's gotta mean they're hear to REALLY set up a Caliphate as foretold by the Imam's. We've only been wrong on this how many countless times now.

4. Caliphate as described by the imam's sounds an awful lot like Imperialism.

5. Brotherhood in Islam as i've experienced in America and Saudi, and i've witnessed in the news and history, is largely superficial. It sucks to say that but that's what it looks like to me. but that is still an observation that is independent from my personal experiences.

6. I have in the past supported - and still do - the idea of a united Arabia. but i'm not blind to the realities on the ground. There ARE differences. I cannot travel to Syria, Iraq or Iran as a Saudi without worrying i may get tossed in jail on some crime. I can't go a day in Saudi without someone backbiting about someone and their prejudice based on their sect, race, nationality, or region - but everyone talked about are still Muslim (again that whole Brotherhood thing).

If there will ever be a united Arabia, the most reasonable would be some version of a trade union, and at the very best a sort of confederacy. and the Caliphate talked about can only happen through force of arms. Which negates the whole "brotherhood" deal when you have to resort to killing your neighbor to absorb them and grow the empire.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

You can never have too many nukes.

Ilovegames1992

They day that happens, i'll eat one of my testicles.

Me two.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]SaudiFury

1. I said that the talk about the Caliphate is LIKE the Christian talk about the end of the world. Not the Caliphate would bring about the end of the world, but see my point #4.

2. It has always seemed to me the the Caliphate, the leaders, would have to be god-like demigods, never falling into sins or having anything that would or could bismerch it's image. Or having any of it's members indulge in sins. and you know pretty well imagery is important in the Arab World, how one looks to the rest of the world.

3. The Soviet War in Afghanistan? the Algerian Independence War? what did these result the rise of the Taliban - which are made of some of the Mujahadeen - probably one of the worst regimes that have ever ruled on the Earth. the Shaheed in Algeria, bring rise to a military dictatorship. So whenever we have self-described Holy Warriors, it's gotta mean they're hear to REALLY set up a Caliphate as foretold by the Imam's. We've only been wrong on this how many countless times now.

4. Caliphate as described by the imam's sounds an awful lot like Imperialism.

5. Brotherhood in Islam as i've experienced in America and Saudi, and i've witnessed in the news and history, is largely superficial. It sucks to say that but that's what it looks like to me. but that is still an observation that is independent from my personal experiences.

6. I have in the past supported - and still do - the idea of a united Arabia. but i'm not blind to the realities on the ground. There ARE differences. I cannot travel to Syria, Iraq or Iran as a Saudi without worrying i may get tossed in jail on some crime. I can't go a day in Saudi without someone backbiting about someone and their prejudice based on their sect, race, nationality, or region - but everyone talked about are still Muslim (again that whole Brotherhood thing).

If there will ever be a united Arabia, the most reasonable would be some version of a trade union, and at the very best a sort of confederacy. and the Caliphate talked about can only happen through force of arms. Which negates the whole "brotherhood" deal when you have to resort to killing your neighbor to absorb them and grow the empire.

1- Umm hey bro, a lot of religious people tend to speak in an emotional tone, have you ever heard a religious cassette?

2- Wat... the only Caliphates that look like that are Rashidun, the rest were just good rulers, treated like humans.

3- Now this is rich... I'll just skim everything to remind you those were provoked by religion which was the main point and leave it at that.

4- They're Egyptians lol (in the sense of being merry, 3lashan ma7ad yiz3l, masr um el ummah :P), I honestly linked it for the lulz. Then I would care to mention the point.

5 and 6 are basically the product of our debacle (separation), but of course, it's all because we cling on our only identifiers. :F

I say no. No more nukes are needed in this world.

i'm okay with this.

I say no. No more nukes are needed in this world.

Wasdie

Victorious_Fize

1. i know that man... i know religious talk is usually emotional. Thing is... some of them are not talking simply big, they mean it in a real sense.

2. The Caliphate described as in prophecy sounds more like demigods rather than just simply good but real-world flawed leaders.

3. mmm religion was an issue in the Algerian independence war? not saying religion doesn't play a part in wars, you would be hard pressed to not find religion elements or connotations in any war, be they Muslim or not. but i think the two wars i mentioned had more to do French controlling Algeria for decades during the end of Western Imperialism, and Soviet Union suddenly just steam rolling over Afghanistan.

4. Don't know what you are referring to. My point #4 was that Caliphates historically have been empires, and empires assert an imperial rule over it's subjects.

5 & 6 - nevertheless it's the reality we live in....

That'll show those damn women who want to drive. Drop a nuke on em.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]SaudiFury

1. i know that man... i know religious talk is usually emotional. Thing is... some of them are not talking simply big, they mean it in a real sense.

2. The Caliphate described as in prophecy sounds more like demigods rather than just simply good but real-world flawed leaders.

3. mmm religion was an issue in the Algerian independence war? not saying religion doesn't play a part in wars, you would be hard pressed to not find religion elements or connotations in any war, be they Muslim or not. but i think the two wars i mentioned had more to do French controlling Algeria for decades during the end of Western Imperialism, and Soviet Union suddenly just steam rolling over Afghanistan.

4. Don't know what you are referring to. My point #4 was that Caliphates historically have been empires, and empires assert an imperial rule over it's subjects.

5 & 6 - nevertheless it's the reality we live in....

This is intresting ...

But also very unlikely.

This is intresting ...

But also very unlikely.

TehFuneral

It's likelihood depends on whether Saudi Arabia can acquire nuclear warheads before NATO has subordinated Iran.

I think that once Iran has its NATO-approved puppet regime, Saudi Arabia will be targeted for regime change quite promptly.

Knocking out the cornerstone of OPEC will be too great a temptation for the West to resist, especially if Saudi Arabia has no nuclear deterrent.

Victorious_Fize

1. i know that man... i know religious talk is usually emotional. Thing is... some of them are not talking simply big, they mean it in a real sense.

2. The Caliphate described as in prophecy sounds more like demigods rather than just simply good but real-world flawed leaders.

3. mmm religion was an issue in the Algerian independence war? not saying religion doesn't play a part in wars, you would be hard pressed to not find religion elements or connotations in any war, be they Muslim or not. but i think the two wars i mentioned had more to do French controlling Algeria for decades during the end of Western Imperialism, and Soviet Union suddenly just steam rolling over Afghanistan.

4. Don't know what you are referring to. My point #4 was that Caliphates historically have been empires, and empires assert an imperial rule over it's subjects.

5 & 6 - nevertheless it's the reality we live in....

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

1. i know that man... i know religious talk is usually emotional. Thing is... some of them are not talking simply big, they mean it in a real sense.

2. The Caliphate described as in prophecy sounds more like demigods rather than just simply good but real-world flawed leaders.

3. mmm religion was an issue in the Algerian independence war? not saying religion doesn't play a part in wars, you would be hard pressed to not find religion elements or connotations in any war, be they Muslim or not. but i think the two wars i mentioned had more to do French controlling Algeria for decades during the end of Western Imperialism, and Soviet Union suddenly just steam rolling over Afghanistan.

4. Don't know what you are referring to. My point #4 was that Caliphates historically have been empires, and empires assert an imperial rule over it's subjects.

5 & 6 - nevertheless it's the reality we live in....

Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] 1- Dude, I didn't watch the video, I wanted to show you that there are many people that endorse a Caliphate. 2- See #1. 3- facepalm... right, 1 million civilians willingly died because they thought they will go to hell... it's called BALLAD EL MELLION SHAHEED for a reason... and just effin what in the Afghanistan war??? Thousands of Saudis sacrificed their lives and you think it has nothing to do with Jihad? Sorry, but I'm very sensitive with misconceptions on Muslims, I don't like people downplaying our resilience for our religion, especially not from a brother. 4- Umm, no? :| Do you know what is khilafah? It's an Islamic concept you know, empires and kingdoms inherently contradict it. 5 and 6 - the reality that shows you that we need a caliphate.Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] If it's meant to be, then it will be... and you talking down to someone you're meant to treat as a brother won't change that. Don't get pissy just because SA has actually traveled enough, and is smart enough to realize that the world isn't as simplistic as your vision of it.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Dude, he's attempting to negate brotherly sacrifices done in the name of a binding identifier for the sake of vain nationalities, and you think he knows better? I've been in a private school for plenty of years, I have friends from almost all Arabic countries, online and irl, never do they talk down to me or give me an eye. Had Algerians, Al Mokhtar, or al Mujahdeen, been anything other than Muslims, would you say they would have done such feats? What does he know that I don't? From what I can guess, his background is that of a half-American Hasawi Shia, yet his perceptions and opinions (spot on for most, but grim in all and incorrect on some) are better than mine? Trust me, I'm a majority, the Bedwan one. Right under the king, with a high ranking officer.

Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Dude, that's just your interpretation... you may not agree with your brother, but try to show some respect and love.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

This is intresting ...

But also very unlikely.

Stesilaus

It's likelihood depends on whether Saudi Arabia can acquire nuclear warheads before NATO has subordinated Iran.

I think that once Iran has its NATO-approved puppet regime, Saudi Arabia will be targeted for regime change quite promptly.

Knocking out the cornerstone of OPEC will be too great a temptation for the West to resist, especially if Saudi Arabia has no nuclear deterrent.

Im going to retire discussing politics, not that I know a lot anyways nor does my views matter.

But I think you're jumping to conclusions here, If anything the West wants Saudi Arabia regime to stay like this as long as they have good relationship with each other when it comes to oil. They don't wanna risk it for the possiblity of having a nut job coming in and just severing all ties with the West. With or Without OPEC there is still a very high risk for anyone to take that step. Specially since Saudi Arabia is basiclly a country which most terrorists/rebels w/e hate since they harbor US troops or some sort of thing like that.

I don't know how invading Iran would change stuff though, it could change everything, or not anything at all.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I say no. No more nukes are needed in this world.

needled24-7