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#101 xdude85
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More nukes... yeah.
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#102 Harisemo
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they should buy nukes from Pakistan.

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#103 OmenUK
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Ha, but we can always have no nukes at all. ;)Victorious_Fize


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#104 Heisenderp
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No nukes.Build something that stops nukes from detonating.conistant
Like a magic wand?
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#105 HoolaHoopMan
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That's what we need, more theocratic states having access to powerful weapons.
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#106 Heisenderp
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That's what we need, more theocratic states having access to powerful weapons. HoolaHoopMan
And the US isn't a de facto theocracy? Please... You guys are barely better, you just don't have as many fundies, but that's pretty much it.
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#107 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]That's what we need, more theocratic states having access to powerful weapons. Heisenderp
And the US isn't a de facto theoracy? Please...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy read up, son
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#108 Heisenderp
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[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]That's what we need, more theocratic states having access to powerful weapons. wis3boi
And the US isn't a de facto theoracy? Please...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy read up, son

I know what a theocracy is. The Church can wipe their ass with all the money they have over here, and are trying to get schools to teach creationism. That's why I said "de facto", because officially everyone knows it's "teh democracy". Calling me "son" is cute though.
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#109 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"] And the US isn't a de facto theoracy? Please...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy read up, son

I know what a theocracy is. The Church can wipe their ass with all the money they have over here, and are trying to get schools to teach creationism. That's why I said "de facto", because officially everyone knows it's "teh democracy". Calling me "son" is cute though.

oh lordy, this is rich, good one
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#110 Heisenderp
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy read up, son

I know what a theocracy is. The Church can wipe their ass with all the money they have over here, and are trying to get schools to teach creationism. That's why I said "de facto", because officially everyone knows it's "teh democracy". Calling me "son" is cute though.

oh lordy, this is rich, good one

I'm glad you conceded. If I told you that Middle Eastern countries were worse, would you still be mad?
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#111 pie-junior
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[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"] I know what a theocracy is. The Church can wipe their ass with all the money they have over here, and are trying to get schools to teach creationism. That's why I said "de facto", because officially everyone knows it's "teh democracy". Calling me "son" is cute though.

oh lordy, this is rich, good one

I'm glad you conceded. If I told you that Middle Eastern countries were worse, would you still be mad?

If I refernced you to: Everson v. board of education Engel v. Vitale Abbington v. Schempp Lemon v Kurtzman Allengheny County v. ACLU Agostini v. Felton Would you look into it?
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#112 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]That's what we need, more theocratic states having access to powerful weapons. Heisenderp
And the US isn't a de facto theocracy? Please... You guys are barely better, you just don't have as many fundies, but that's pretty much it.

Barely better? I guess those basic rights of religious freedom, the right to vote, and the right to public assembly are just "Barely" better. Please join the rest of us in reality before you make ****ing stupid statements like that again.
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#113 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"] And the US isn't a de facto theoracy? Please...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy read up, son

I know what a theocracy is. The Church can wipe their ass with all the money they have over here, and are trying to get schools to teach creationism. That's why I said "de facto", because officially everyone knows it's "teh democracy". Calling me "son" is cute though.

Apparently you don't know what a Theocracy is, like he said, read up son.
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#114 cee1gee
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EMP is the way to go...no technology=no food etc....lets face it everyone in here goes to the store to buy food and without technology there is no driving(cars have chips in them) therefore no food can be brought to stores and it takes the human 4 days to go insane without water or food and start to kill each other

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#115 Frame_Dragger
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they should buy nukes from Pakistan.

Harisemo
What makes you think that Pakistan would want to sell? I swear, every time you post the evidence of just how ignorant and prejudiced you are shines through like a beacon. :roll:
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#116 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] tbh , Im not so sure, Saddam was quite happy to use chemical weapons on the Kurds is one example, nuclear weapons are just a variation of that.

Nuclear weapons are not just another variation. Nuclear contamination can last hundreds of years after release. I can't think of any chemical weapons that can poison the earth for that long.

thats also true, but Im talking more from the "its a way to keep in power" variaty , ie , its a way to kill as much opposition as possible quickly.

Conventional missiles can kill just as many without contaminating the living area.
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#117 Optical_Order
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Nukes have become a huge trend these days.

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#118 resevl4rlz
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war war never changes. we better get the vaults ready

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#119 Harisemo
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

they should buy nukes from Pakistan.

Frame_Dragger

What makes you think that Pakistan would want to sell? I swear, every time you post the evidence of just how ignorant and prejudiced you are shines through like a beacon. :roll:

funny thing is ignorance and preduice applies to you and why do you take every post serious? I was joking about selling nukes.

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#120 ModernMuhCow
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who cares about Israel

Flubbbs
I do.
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#121 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

they should buy nukes from Pakistan.

What makes you think that Pakistan would want to sell? I swear, every time you post the evidence of just how ignorant and prejudiced you are shines through like a beacon. :roll:

funny thing is ignorance and preduice applies to you and why do you take every post serious? I was joking about selling nukes.

It's hardly the craziest thing you've said... why NOT take you seriously?
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#122 resevl4rlz
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[QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

who cares about Israel

ModernMuhCow

I do.

the United States care also, an attack on Isreal is an automatically declaration of war by the US

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#123 MysticGenie
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

they should buy nukes from Pakistan.

Frame_Dragger
What makes you think that Pakistan would want to sell? I swear, every time you post the evidence of just how ignorant and prejudiced you are shines through like a beacon. :roll:



It is widely believed that the Saudis funded the Pakistan's nuclear program so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Pakistan could return the favor or maybe they already have (see couple of links below).

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia in secret nuke pact

Pakistan rejects report on N-help to Saudis



[QUOTE="ModernMuhCow"][QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

who cares about Israel

resevl4rlz
I do.



the United States care also, an attack on Isreal is an automatically declaration of war by the US



Funny. I don't recall U.S. declaring war on Hamas and Hezbollah when they launched attacks on Israel.

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#124 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Harisemo"] I do.MysticGenie



the United States care also, an attack on Isreal is an automatically declaration of war by the US



Funny. I don't recall U.S. declaring war on Hamas and Hezbollah when they launched attacks on Israel.

I find it hard to believe that even Pakistan would make such a stupid move; one that would cause international condemnation from their allies, and frankly give powerful weapons to a relatively unfriendly regime.

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#125 Nayef_shroof
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First time I ever endorse anything by my government. If Israel continues to have nukes, and the West and East continues to play their charades of supporting and opposing Iran's program. I say we should have our own. What worries me most is whether Nayef will use it on us before anyone else though...Victorious_Fize
lol, are you talking about me or a political figure/government official?
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#126 Nayef_shroof
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First time I ever endorse anything by my government. If Israel continues to have nukes, and the West and East continues to play their charades of supporting and opposing Iran's program. I say we should have our own. What worries me most is whether Nayef will use it on us before anyone else though...Victorious_Fize
lol, are you talking about me or a political figure/government official?
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#127 Nayef_shroof
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First time I ever endorse anything by my government. If Israel continues to have nukes, and the West and East continues to play their charades of supporting and opposing Iran's program. I say we should have our own. What worries me most is whether Nayef will use it on us before anyone else though...Victorious_Fize
lol, are you talking about me or a political figure/government official?
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#128 Nayef_shroof
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First time I ever endorse anything by my government. If Israel continues to have nukes, and the West and East continues to play their charades of supporting and opposing Iran's program. I say we should have our own. What worries me most is whether Nayef will use it on us before anyone else though...Victorious_Fize
lol, are you talking about me or a political figure/government official?
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#129 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]First time I ever endorse anything by my government. If Israel continues to have nukes, and the West and East continues to play their charades of supporting and opposing Iran's program. I say we should have our own. What worries me most is whether Nayef will use it on us before anyone else though...Nayef_shroof
lol, are you talking about me or a political figure/government official?

Presumably the crown prince of SA... not the shmuck on OT. :D
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#130 sinpkr
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in the end its the wests fault for many problems in the middle east. i think its hypocritical for us to say only certain ppl in the middle east can have nukes. i say everybody should have nukes

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#131 Frame_Dragger
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in the end its the wests fault for many problems in the middle east. i think its hypocritical for us to say only certain ppl in the middle east can have nukes. i say everybody should have nukes

sinpkr
I'd rather be a hypocrite who controls nuclear proliferation than a morally sound cinder.
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#132 Aero5555
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You think Al Saud are smart, they secretly support Israel. Victorious_Fize

lol. I advise people not to take this as fact. It's a ***ked up conspiracy theory that those who have a grudge against them and the country's constitution spread as truth, and those who follow Bin Laden's ***ked up ideology use to wrongly justify and brainwash recruits.

The majority of the country, as well as myself, take the quote as illogical and borderline idiotic. Yes there is financial corruption, maybe with Israel too. But not "support".

You're talking about Qatar when it comes to support.

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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]You think Al Saud are smart, they secretly support Israel. Aero5555

lol. I advise people not to take this as fact. It's a ***ked up conspiracy theory that those who have a grudge against them and the country's constitution spread as truth, and those who follow Bin Laden's ***ked up ideology use to wrongly justify and brainwash recruits.

The majority of the country, as well as myself, take the quote as illogical and borderline idiotic. Yes there is financial corruption, maybe with Israel too. But not "support".

You're talking about Qatar when it comes to support.

Oh please, the majority of the country isn't saying much you know... and I don't advise you to hide behind the majority as to exclude me and my positions, which are very much the same. By support I don't mean anything like the US or Qatar as you so imply, it's in relativity to the conflict, and in this case, I present you: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-06-12/news/30080586_1_israeli-jets-defences-attack-iran http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/wikileaks-u-s-saudis-reached-2010-compromise-over-israeli-made-cadillac-parts.html That's not to say anything about the treatment and championing of Palestinian cause, which says a lot on its own.
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#134 Matthew-first
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War has begun long time ago...

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#135 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Aero5555"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]You think Al Saud are smart, they secretly support Israel. Victorious_Fize

lol. I advise people not to take this as fact. It's a ***ked up conspiracy theory that those who have a grudge against them and the country's constitution spread as truth, and those who follow Bin Laden's ***ked up ideology use to wrongly justify and brainwash recruits.

The majority of the country, as well as myself, take the quote as illogical and borderline idiotic. Yes there is financial corruption, maybe with Israel too. But not "support".

You're talking about Qatar when it comes to support.

Oh please, the majority of the country isn't saying much you know... and I don't advise you to hide behind the majority as to exclude me and my positions, which are very much the same. By support I don't mean anything like the US or Qatar as you so imply, it's in relativity to the conflict, and in this case, I present you: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-06-12/news/30080586_1_israeli-jets-defences-attack-iran http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/wikileaks-u-s-saudis-reached-2010-compromise-over-israeli-made-cadillac-parts.html That's not to say anything about the treatment and championing of Palestinian cause, which says a lot on its own.

well I don't know about Saudi officially opening the airspace to Israeli jets, what I think would happen is that someone will conviniently simply not look at the radar screen when the time comes, followed by a condemnation by the Saudi government, along with a quiet sigh of relief on their part. also, Im assuming you know that boycott was almost dead anyways for the last 15 years, its really just on paper at the moment
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#136 Victorious_Fize
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Aero5555"]

lol. I advise people not to take this as fact. It's a ***ked up conspiracy theory that those who have a grudge against them and the country's constitution spread as truth, and those who follow Bin Laden's ***ked up ideology use to wrongly justify and brainwash recruits.

The majority of the country, as well as myself, take the quote as illogical and borderline idiotic. Yes there is financial corruption, maybe with Israel too. But not "support".

You're talking about Qatar when it comes to support.

Darkman2007

Oh please, the majority of the country isn't saying much you know... and I don't advise you to hide behind the majority as to exclude me and my positions, which are very much the same. By support I don't mean anything like the US or Qatar as you so imply, it's in relativity to the conflict, and in this case, I present you: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-06-12/news/30080586_1_israeli-jets-defences-attack-iran http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/wikileaks-u-s-saudis-reached-2010-compromise-over-israeli-made-cadillac-parts.html That's not to say anything about the treatment and championing of Palestinian cause, which says a lot on its own.

well I don't know about Saudi officially opening the airspace to Israeli jets, what I think would happen is that someone will conviniently simply not look at the radar screen when the time comes, followed by a condemnation by the Saudi government, along with a quiet sigh of relief on their part. also, Im assuming you know that boycott was almost dead anyways for the last 15 years, its really just on paper at the moment

Only that they didn't officially open them up... they'll never do that. As for the boycott, dead or not, it doesn't change the point in the least. We have an obligation towards Palestine, and if that obligation is not done, then it is blatant support. Silence is a form of agreement, or as we like to say, al sokoot 3lamt al rida.

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#137 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Oh please, the majority of the country isn't saying much you know... and I don't advise you to hide behind the majority as to exclude me and my positions, which are very much the same. By support I don't mean anything like the US or Qatar as you so imply, it's in relativity to the conflict, and in this case, I present you: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-06-12/news/30080586_1_israeli-jets-defences-attack-iran http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/wikileaks-u-s-saudis-reached-2010-compromise-over-israeli-made-cadillac-parts.html That's not to say anything about the treatment and championing of Palestinian cause, which says a lot on its own.Victorious_Fize

well I don't know about Saudi officially opening the airspace to Israeli jets, what I think would happen is that someone will conviniently simply not look at the radar screen when the time comes, followed by a condemnation by the Saudi government, along with a quiet sigh of relief on their part. also, Im assuming you know that boycott was almost dead anyways for the last 15 years, its really just on paper at the moment

Only that they didn't officially open them up... they'll never do that. As for the boycott, dead or not, it doesn't change the point in the least. We have an obligation towards Palestine, and if that obligation is not done, then it is blatant support. Silence is a form of agreement, or as we like to say, al sokoot 3lamt al rida.

but then if the boycott is dead, isnt any obligation like that mostly empty words? or is just the formality of it considered important? and here is something you might be able to answer me, why is it I hear from Palestinians that other Arabs "hate them", where did that from? (besides the lack of rights they get in most countries)? or is it just a case of "we don't like Palestinians , but we dislike the Jews even more" ? it puzzles me a bit. then again , Jewish history shows we are also quite capable of alot of infighting unless there is a common enemy, so for all I know it might not be any different at any rate , obviously this whole thing is a matter of "an enemy of an enemy is a friend" in regards to Iran and such.
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#138 Legacy-of-Todd
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Is it 100m? Also how do you get Nuclear arms? Wouldn't that cause cancer from the amount of radiation that your arms are giving off?

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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well I don't know about Saudi officially opening the airspace to Israeli jets, what I think would happen is that someone will conviniently simply not look at the radar screen when the time comes, followed by a condemnation by the Saudi government, along with a quiet sigh of relief on their part. also, Im assuming you know that boycott was almost dead anyways for the last 15 years, its really just on paper at the momentDarkman2007

Only that they didn't officially open them up... they'll never do that. As for the boycott, dead or not, it doesn't change the point in the least. We have an obligation towards Palestine, and if that obligation is not done, then it is blatant support. Silence is a form of agreement, or as we like to say, al sokoot 3lamt al rida.

but then if the boycott is dead, isnt any obligation like that mostly empty words? or is just the formality of it considered important? and here is something you might be able to answer me, why is it I hear from Palestinians that other Arabs "hate them", where did that from? (besides the lack of rights they get in most countries)? or is it just a case of "we don't like Palestinians , but we dislike the Jews even more" ? it puzzles me a bit. then again , Jewish history shows we are also quite capable of alot of infighting unless there is a common enemy, so for all I know it might not be any different at any rate , obviously this whole thing is a matter of "an enemy of an enemy is a friend" in regards to Iran and such.

The boycott is only dead because officials make it dead, this is a clear Tu Quoque fallacy. It's kinda of a big deal too, and everyone should be held accountable. Your question is very loaded and biased, so I won't ever bother. I will merely say that nobody hates Palestinians, and if there is, it is a very very small minority of muftinin and idiots. As for Iran, justifying it doesn't change it.

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#140 Harisemo
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I find it hard to believe that even Pakistan would make such a stupid move; one that would cause international condemnation from their allies, and frankly give powerful weapons to a relatively unfriendly regime.

Frame_Dragger

lol you don't know anything about Pak-Saudi relations so just let it go.

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="sinpkr"]

in the end its the wests fault for many problems in the middle east. i think its hypocritical for us to say only certain ppl in the middle east can have nukes. i say everybody should have nukes

I'd rather be a hypocrite who controls nuclear proliferation than a morally sound cinder.

I agree. The less nukes the better. I wish there werent any, but I'd rather not have them end up in the hands of every person.
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#142 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="sinpkr"]

in the end its the wests fault for many problems in the middle east. i think its hypocritical for us to say only certain ppl in the middle east can have nukes. i say everybody should have nukes

sonicare

I'd rather be a hypocrite who controls nuclear proliferation than a morally sound cinder.

I agree. The less nukes the better. I wish there werent any, but I'd rather not have them end up in the hands of every person.

Yep... hypocrisy is underrated when it comes to international relations.

@Harisemo: Coming from someone with such a poor grasp of reality, I take that as a vote of confidence.

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#143 Harisemo
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@Harisemo: Coming from someone with such a poor grasp of reality, I take that as a vote of confidence.

Frame_Dragger

again you say something that directly applies to you.

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#144 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

@Harisemo: Coming from someone with such a poor grasp of reality, I take that as a vote of confidence.

again you say something that directly applies to you.

Ahhh... you're employing the, "I'm rubber, you're glue," strategy... very clever... :roll:
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#145 Harisemo
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Ahhh... you're employing the, "I'm rubber, you're glue," strategy... very clever... :roll:Frame_Dragger

nah I'm just saying pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

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#146 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Ahhh... you're employing the, "I'm rubber, you're glue," strategy... very clever... :roll:Harisemo

nah I'm just saying pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]This is why Iran must be stopped. MysticGenie

*Scoff*

People like you said the same thing about North Korea and we all know how that turned out. :roll:

Everyone knows Israeli nukes aren't a threat to anyone unless you try to destroy them. Iranian and Saudi on the other hand...themajormayor

Speak for yourself. The Gulf states (including Saudi Arabia) and Iran don't share your view. They consider Israeli nukes as a potential threat to their national security and no amount of persuasive arguments will convince them otherwise.

No they don't. And what do you mean? NK didn't turn out good. They should be stopped too.
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#148 sexyweapons
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I thought the Nuclear arms race ended in 1950

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Ahhh... you're employing the, "I'm rubber, you're glue," strategy... very clever... :roll:Harisemo

nah I'm just saying pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

Admitting you are the Kettle is a huge step for you.

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#150 Harisemo
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Ahhh... you're employing the, "I'm rubber, you're glue," strategy... very clever... :roll:pie-junior

nah I'm just saying pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

Admitting you are the Kettle is a huge step for you.

you're winner