Scale Of The Universe [Interactive]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The universe is mine!SaudiFury

How are we not special? We are beyond all the animals on Earth. How is our significance measured anyway? Just because the universe is big we are insignificant?Omni-Wrath

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] I do believe in evolution as I implied above. Omni-Wrath

And is that a problem for you?
Many believe in Evolution and God at the same time....

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"] Okay then, tell me what do you believe in and we can discuss that.Stavrogin_

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"] You believe in evolution and god...?-Tish-

And is that a problem for you?
Many believe in Evolution and God at the same time....

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]How are we not special? We are beyond all the animals on Earth. How is our significance measured anyway? Just because the universe is big we are insignificant?Stavrogin_

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

And is that a problem for you?
Many believe in Evolution and God at the same time....

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

And is that a problem for you?
Many believe in Evolution and God at the same time....

charlesdarwin55

It dosen't contradict and that we are the only creatures like this on Earth. We had mutations that made us beyonds all the creatures on Earth.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"] It strikes me funny since none of the principles of evolution suggest any bearing to a said celestial being. It's those people who say "Well, maybe evolution is the truth, BUUUUUT I don't want to stop believing in god or I'll be sent to hell. Therefore, I'll create a compromise in my head that suggests God himself created evolution." But hey, some people are afraid to diverge from that sense of comfort. Oh well.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] It doesn't contradict it either.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]How are we not special? We are beyond all the animals on Earth. How is our significance measured anyway? Just because the universe is big we are insignificant?Stavrogin_

Sciemtists have not found any life any more complex than microscopic orgamisms on every planet we've checked...StealthMonkey4

Can't say. U can't deny there's something very special with humans compared to other lifeforms we know of by just having this discussion. I'll wait to decide until we explored more of the universe.

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="-Tish-"] A lot of scientific discoveries have contradicted, or for that matter, disproved ideas of Genesis.

-Tish-

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Sciemtists have not found any life any more complex than microscopic orgamisms on every planet we've checked...Stavrogin_

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] For example?charlesdarwin55

And what I mean by that last part is all religions cancel each other out, in a way.

It always blows the mind.

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]How are we not special? We are beyond all the animals on Earth. How is our significance measured anyway? Just because the universe is big we are insignificant?StealthMonkey4

Um, scientists haven't found any life on any other planet - period.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]Earth being the center of the universe? -Tish-

And what I mean by that last part is all religions cancel each other out, in a way.

I'm not christian so that's not an issue.

How do they cancel each other out?

G-d created and shaped evolution to creat us is the obvious answer, yes I believe he is a most conscius being.charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] And how many planets have we checked? Two, three? [QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]Can't say. U can't deny there's something very special with humans compared to other lifeforms we know of by just having this discussion. I'll wait to decide until we explored more of the universe.

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.charlesdarwin55

you know that beetles are the most abundant type of lifeform on this planet? maybe insects with covered wings are yawheh's favorite creatures, and we're the leftovers.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Sciemtists have not found any life any more complex than microscopic orgamisms on every planet we've checked...Stavrogin_

Can't say. U can't deny there's something very special with humans compared to other lifeforms we know of by just having this discussion. I'll wait to decide until we explored more of the universe.

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] What? U talked about disproving G-d's existence

charlesdarwin55

And what I mean by that last part is all religions cancel each other out, in a way.

I'm not christian so that's not an issue.

How do they cancel each other out?

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] And how many planets have we checked? Two, three? [QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]Can't say. U can't deny there's something very special with humans compared to other lifeforms we know of by just having this discussion. I'll wait to decide until we explored more of the universe.

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]We are beyond all other animals in intelligence, that's it. The hawk has better vision, the cheetah is faster and so on. We are not perfect at all, we are just the most intelligent species on this planet. But you're quick to forget that this planet is insignificant too, the Earth is just a tiny speck in this universe and if you admit that we are the product of evolution and not a god who created this whole universe just for us, then how are we special?

raynimrod

Um, scientists haven't found any life on any other planet - period.

Whimsical. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"] Well, if your god doesn't read your thoughts and wont punish you with hell/heaven, and you claim evolution is how us humans came to be, not created from dust then why call him god? Is he at least a conscious being?

-Tish-

I'd hate this to turn into a religious debate and me being the one who starts it, but i just can't can't understand how someone who's aware of the scale of the universe still believes in an anthropomorphic god. He created this vastness and put us i this small planet on the periphery of a small and insignificant galaxy, waited for few thousand years and then revealed his true nature to some people in the desert, then gave them a book full of contradictions. I'm stumped.Stavrogin_

No it's still thousands of planets... We've checked thousands of planets and found basically nothing to suggest complex life. We will never find other complex life because there isn't any. Just because the universe is large doesn't mean there is automatically complex life. StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] Scientists have tested thousands of planets for livable cobditions (we have absolutely evidence of life being possible without carbon and liquid water) and very few of them have livable conditions. It's a huge discovery just to find simple microscopic organisms on other planets...StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]No it's still thousands of planets... We've checked thousands of planets and found basically nothing to suggest complex life. We will never find other complex life because there isn't any. Just because the universe is large doesn't mean there is automatically complex life. Stavrogin_

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]No it's still thousands of planets... We've checked thousands of planets and found basically nothing to suggest complex life. We will never find other complex life because there isn't any. Just because the universe is large doesn't mean there is automatically complex life. StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="-Tish-"] In the grand scheme of things, a thousand planets really only seems like two or three.

-Tish-

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"] What he/she meant is that several thousand planets is nothing in a grand scheme because there are trillions of planets in the universe, and we haven't checked them for complex life because they're too far away, we've only predicted if they could support life, and some of them could. We have only examined (sent probes) one or two planets and they're only in our solar system, one of the being Mars (this planet is not thoroughly examined though).

-Tish-

Just because there is lots of planets in the universe doesn't mean that there is complex life in the universe besides usStealthMonkey4

it doesn't matter if it could support life (although most can't) as they are just bare and have no life. We will never find any other complex life simply because there isn't any, when scientists do discover complex life, I'll admit I'm wrong.StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Well I don't know the exact word but I don't believe in any particular religion but I belive there is a G-d (I write like this out of tradition). That's pretty much it. Let's say I'm a monotheist or a pantheist or something like that. Doesn't mean I don't believe in evolution or that I belive the bible as fact. Just I only believe that this universe was created by G-d.charlesdarwin55

I think I believe more in reincarnation that ultimately leads to a sort of heaven. If there is a hell I believe it's more of a purgatory where you spend a limited time to repent or learn or whatever.

I also believe in reincarnation, but in a more natural way. The food we eat, liquids we drink, and air we breath are product of things that once lived. I look at everything as energy. When we die, our remains or energy will always spread throughout nature one way or another. Rather its under ground where bugs can eat off our flesh or underwater where fish would have a feast, it will always work its way around. Everything gets thrown into a cycle known as the food chain until the energy that make up who we are will one day gather inside a certain being, rather its a dog or bird. I believe there's a chance we can be reborn that way. Of course we won't have our memories, but we may retain all our habits and personality we had during our past lives throwing in the traits you may inherit from your parents. It becomes a never ending cycle for life. That's how I see it....

Just because there is lots of planets in the universe doesn't mean that there is complex life in the universe besides us, it doesn't matter if it could support life (although most can't) as they are just bare and have no life. We will never find any other complex life simply because there isn't any, when scientists do discover complex life, I'll admit I'm wrong.StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Just because there is lots of planets in the universe doesn't mean that there is complex life in the universe besides usStavrogin_

it doesn't matter if it could support life (although most can't) as they are just bare and have no life. We will never find any other complex life simply because there isn't any, when scientists do discover complex life, I'll admit I'm wrong.StealthMonkey4

abiogenesis is the term for life manifesting from non-life. evolution only deals with the emergence of species.

abiogenesis is the term for life manifesting from non-life. evolution only deals with the emergence of species.Mordred19

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Just because there is lots of planets in the universe doesn't mean that there is complex life in the universe besides usStavrogin_

it doesn't matter if it could support life (although most can't) as they are just bare and have no life. We will never find any other complex life simply because there isn't any, when scientists do discover complex life, I'll admit I'm wrong.StealthMonkey4

There's absolutely no evidence of life coming from nothing, unless you'd like to provide some of course...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="-Tish-"] Well when God manifests I'll admit I'm wrong.

-Tish-

I'm not following you... You think I'm just saying things that I don't believe or what... :?

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] No it's still thousands of planets... We've checked thousands of planets and found basically nothing to suggest complex life. We will never find other complex life because there isn't any. Just because the universe is large doesn't mean there is automatically complex life. StealthMonkey4

where is this certainty coming from? what context do you have that suggests the conditions on this planet do not exist anywhere else?

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] When did God come into this, it's completely unrelated to what we're discussing...StealthMonkey4

I'm not following you... You think I'm just saying things that I don't believe or what... :?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="-Tish-"]Damn man, how can you be so sure? Did you not look at the scale in the OP or watch the videos posted in this thread? You can't possibly begin to fathom how large the universe is. You're naive to think we're alone. And yeah, thousands of planets among trillions is a pretty damn small fraction.

Mordred19

where is this certainty coming from? what context do you have that suggests the conditions on this planet do not exist anywhere else?

That's not how it works, just because you don't know there isn't life doesn't mean that there is... We have no evidence of complex life beside ours.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"] Hell I don't know. I was speaking semantically. Wait, you don't actually believe you're *right* do you? I mean, coming to such a conclusion is fine, but to be convinced that you're completely right without a shred of skepticism... nevermind. -_--Tish-

I'm not following you... You think I'm just saying things that I don't believe or what... :?

There's absolutely no evidence of life coming from nothing, unless you'd like to provide some of course...StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I'm not following you... You think I'm just saying things that I don't believe or what... :?

StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"] I do realize how large it is, however, how does that equate to there being life? It doesn't, and there isn't, nor we will ever find any. We can always imagine the fantasy life where there is little green aliens with triangle heads on other planets, but that's all it is, fantasy, there is no other life, only us. If you can find other life then I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong.StealthMonkey4

where is this certainty coming from? what context do you have that suggests the conditions on this planet do not exist anywhere else?

That's not how it works, just because you don't know there isn't life doesn't mean that there is... We have no evidence of complex life beside ours.

I didn't say for certain that there was. I find your certainty confusing seeing as we have an example of life in the universe, which is a start. the ingredients that make up our biosphere are not exclusive to this planet.