Scale Of The Universe [Interactive]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]There's absolutely no evidence of life coming from nothing, unless you'd like to provide some of course...Stavrogin_

Amino acids are not complex life forms. I meant complex life forms, not amino acids. Thus, there is no evidence of it happening.

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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

where is this certainty coming from? what context do you have that suggests the conditions on this planet do not exist anywhere else?

Mordred19

That's not how it works, just because you don't know there isn't life doesn't mean that there is... We have no evidence of complex life beside ours.

I didn't say for certain that there was. I find your certainty confusing seeing as we have an example of life in the universe, which is a start. the ingredients that make up our biosphere are not exclusive to this planet.

Just because there are these conditions on other planets does not mean there is life. There is simply no evidence of life. I'm not going to believe in something that has no evidence.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"][QUOTE="-Tish-"] Well no but you seem very confident in your conclusion that there's no other life out there. From what I've gathered, you don't even think it's possible.-Tish-

It could be out there, it could not be. I won't just believe there is simply because we don't know.

Amino acids are not complex life forms. I meant complex life forms, not amino acids. Thus, there is no evidence of it happening.StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

There's absolutely no evidence of life coming from nothing, unless you'd like to provide some of course...StealthMonkey4

Amino acids are not complex life forms. I meant complex life forms, not amino acids. Thus, there is no evidence of it happening.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]There is no evidence of life coming from nothing, yes, but there is some evidence that suggest that non-organic matter forming into organic is very plausible under the right condition. For example, an experiment that replicated somewhat the conditions a few billions of years ago resulted in creation of amino-acids, the building blocks of proteins which in turn are a part of DNA. However, dna with its complexity hasn't been manufactured at a lab yet but that doesn't mean there is no evidence.

-Tish-

Amino acids are not complex life forms. I meant complex life forms, not amino acids. Thus, there is no evidence of it happening.

I'm sure plenty of planets have microbacteria, doesn't mean they will evolve into complex life, because we are the only complex life. There is no evidence of complex life on other planets. And I don't even think we have found microorganisms. So it's really just wishful thinking IMO that other life may exist.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Amino acids are not complex life forms. I meant complex life forms, not amino acids. Thus, there is no evidence of it happening.Stavrogin_

Yet there is still no evidence of it. We will never find complex life.

Yet there is still no evidence of it. We will never find complex life.StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

That's not how it works, just because you don't know there isn't life doesn't mean that there is... We have no evidence of complex life beside ours.

StealthMonkey4

I didn't say for certain that there was. I find your certainty confusing seeing as we have an example of life in the universe, which is a start. the ingredients that make up our biosphere are not exclusive to this planet.

Just because there are these conditions on other planets does not mean there is life. There is simply no evidence of life.I'm not going to believe in something that has no evidence.

I'm not asking you to believe in anything. :? You need to understand, I'm not coming from a position of certainty. I'm asking, why do you think the presence of life absolutely can't be possible elsewhere? I'm not asserting that we will ever see any other life, especially not within even thousands of future generations of humans.

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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

I didn't say for certain that there was. I find your certainty confusing seeing as we have an example of life in the universe, which is a start. the ingredients that make up our biosphere are not exclusive to this planet.

Mordred19

Just because there are these conditions on other planets does not mean there is life. There is simply no evidence of life.I'm not going to believe in something that has no evidence.

I'm not asking you to believe in anything. :? You need to understand, I'm not coming from a position of certainty. I'm asking, why do you think the presence of life absolutely can't be possible elsewhere? I'm not asserting that we will ever see any other life, especially not within even thousands of future generations of humans.

We have not even found microorganisms, and people think we will find complex life, just because a planet has the dmall possibility of life forming, doesn't mean complex life is there.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Yet there is still no evidence of it. We will never find complex life.Stavrogin_

I'm not being stubborn I just want more concrete evidence than an experiment of conditions billions of years ago that resulted in amino acids which are part of DNA, which could possibly result in microorganisms, which might evolve into complex life forms. We haven't even found microorganisms on other planets.

We have not even found microorganisms, and people think we will find complex life, just because a planet has the dmall possibility of life forming, doesn't mean complex life is there.

StealthMonkey4

Considering we find bacteria on asteroids and that bacteria can survive in space; there is a certainty that life is elsewhere. There could even be things living in the oceans of Saturn's moons.

If you think about it, life can survive under huge pressure and cold temperatures such as the deep ocean where the suns rays can't reach, so why not elsewhere?

There's absolutely no evidence of life coming from nothing, unless you'd like to provide some of course...StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]There's absolutely no evidence of life coming from nothing, unless you'd like to provide some of course...RandoIph

Exactly, the stars died so that we could be here today, not Jesus.

damn I really want to play me some Galactic Civilizations II now!

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Yet there is still no evidence of it. We will never find complex life.StealthMonkey4

I'm not being stubborn I just want more concrete evidence than an experiment of conditions billions of years ago that resulted in amino acids which are part of DNA, which could possibly result in microorganisms, which might evolve into complex life forms. We haven't even found microorganisms on other planets.

You can't even fathom the amount of planets in our unvierse. It goes well past the trillions. Maybe even quadrillions. Your telling us that out of ALL these planets, not one can harbor life like Earth's? You really are ignorant to believe that. Have you ever heard of the Drake equation? It's a mathematical equation that calculates the chance of there being intelligent life in our Galaxy. And the equation proved that the chance is VERY high. You act like you've been to every planet in the universe and know for a fact there is no other life. You are in fact wrong. Very wrong indeed.

Thanks much :D

That was quite interesting.

This makes me feel ignorant and uneducated.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]G-d created and shaped evolution to creat us is the obvious answer, yes I believe he is a most conscius being.Stavrogin_

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[QUOTE="-Tish-"] No, I said the ideas of Genesis. But look at it this way: since it was proven that our solar system is heliocentric and not geocentric, and that went against the ideas of Genesis, the Catholic Church (should've) lost a lot of credibility. It should only take one gigantic blunder like that to make people question the credibility of something. The discovery of actual mountains and terrain on other planets also went against Genesis, and that was over 100 years ago. It confuses me as to how, with so much credibility lost, people continue to look to the church for answers. Then again, it goes back to that sense of comfort, I guess. Some people just can't live without it. As for disproving any god, well, no one can do that. There's no such evidence. Maybe there is a higher power, but whether you look to the bible, torah, qaran, or whatever, is irrelevant because there are no cold hard facts to suggest any one religion is truth.

And what I mean by that last part is all religions cancel each other out, in a way.

-Tish-

I'm not christian so that's not an issue.

How do they cancel each other out?

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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Isn't genesis just that G-d created the universe?

I'm not christian so that's not an issue.

How do they cancel each other out?

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]I'd hate this to turn into a religious debate and me being the one who starts it, but i just can't can't understand how someone who's aware of the scale of the universe still believes in an anthropomorphic god. He created this vastness and put us i this small planet on the periphery of a small and insignificant galaxy, waited for few thousand years and then revealed his true nature to some people in the desert, then gave them a book full of contradictions. I'm stumped.Ikouze

So true. I wonder this all the time. Our universe is so huge, we have yet to comprhend everything that's inside it. If God told man to write the bible, thie Bible should be the most amazing book on the planet. It should tell about the wonders of the universe and stretch outside beyond Eartth. Since ancient man wrote this with having no knowledge of the stars and universe, it's shown from a Earthly perspective with no new things about the many wonders of the universe.