Scale of the Universe made me realise how AMAZING God is.

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#152 Sandvichman
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I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

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#153 DJ-Lafleur
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amount of surprise I felt when seeing that this thread primarily focused on the "God" part of the title as opposed to the "Scale of the universe" part = 0

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]also, I don't really understand it very well, but I would venture that organic chemistry and all the sciences are clear proof of God, even though my understanding of all those sciences is tenuous at bestGabuEx

You... don't understand something, but it's clear proof of God?

what is unclear about that statement? it's flawless
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#155 Meinhard1
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As someone who has had similar thoughts about God and the universe I can honestly say that it's completely subjective. For a Christian it is a natural response to see something like this and praise God, but Muslims will see something like this and praise their concept of God as well. The sense of awe people feel when contemplating the universe could be attributed to a number of things depending on what their world view is. Sorry, just had to say that. Neat find :)
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#156 Guybrush_3
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The chance of a planet like earth existing is like one in a googol when you disregard physics. size, distance from sun, size and age of sun, moon, atmosphere, molten core, water and other vital elements, etc. All of these are important for life to survive as we know it. And then even when you have this soup good luck with that spontaneous generation of life. Earth is truly amazing. The probability of God existing is greater than the chance that he does not. Call me crazy.l0ve

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#157 THUMPTABLE
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I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

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Ignorance is bliss on which behalf?

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#158 keech
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The chance of a planet like earth existing is like one in a googol. size, distance from sun, size and age of sun, moon, atmosphere, molten core, water and other vital elements, etc. All of these are important for life to survive as we know it. And then even when you have this soup good luck with that spontaneous generation of life. Earth is truly amazing. The probability of God existing is greater than the chance that he does not. Call me crazy.l0ve

Considering the number of planets in the universe is so high that neither yours nor my tiny human mind can possibly come close to fathoming how big that number actually is, I have to disagree with you.

For the sake of simplicity let's say the chances of life happening on a platent is 1%. I know its much smaller but bare with me. 1% is not good odds at all. That would mean only 1/100 planets would have life on them. Now lets say you have 500 BILLION planets....the chances of life on several millions of planets just got very likely. You could chop that 1% chance down several times into fractions of a percent, and the result would still be millions.

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#159 ragek1ll589
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I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

Sandvichman

Regardless of religious beliefs we are still maggot food. Unless you're cremated of course.

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#160 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Ignorance is bliss on which behalf?

THUMPTABLE

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

THUMPTABLE



Ignorance is bliss on which behalf?

My behalf, why should i care that nothing happens after i die, atleast give me a reason to hope for something man.

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#161 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

ragek1ll589

Regardless of religious beliefs we are still maggot food. Unless you're cremated of course.

youve been there yea i dont care what you say my existence will not cease after my death
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#162 ragek1ll589
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[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

Sandvichman

Regardless of religious beliefs we are still maggot food. Unless you're cremated of course.

youve been there yea i dont care what you say my existence will not cease after my death

What Im alluding to is that despite your views and my views on the afterlife our physical bodies remain here in the ground.

Maggot food.

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#163 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

Regardless of religious beliefs we are still maggot food. Unless you're cremated of course.

ragek1ll589

youve been there yea i dont care what you say my existence will not cease after my death

What Im alluding to is that despite your views and my views on the afterlife our physical bodies remain here in the ground.

Maggot food.

maybe as long as i remain sentient like i am now i cant care about the rest
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#164 Solid_Sterb
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That was pretty awesome.

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#165 sAndroid17
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love that scale, but as for the "God" thing....

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[QUOTE="l0ve"]The chance of a planet like earth existing is like one in a googol. size, distance from sun, size and age of sun, moon, atmosphere, molten core, water and other vital elements, etc. All of these are important for life to survive as we know it. And then even when you have this soup good luck with that spontaneous generation of life. Earth is truly amazing. The probability of God existing is greater than the chance that he does not. Call me crazy.keech

Considering the number of planets in the universe is so high that neither yours nor my tiny human mind can possibly come close to fathoming how big that number actually is, I have to disagree with you.

For the sake of simplicity let's say the chances of life happening on a platent is 1%. I know its much smaller but bare with me. 1% is not good odds at all. That would mean only 1/100 planets would have life on them. Now lets say you have 500 BILLION planets....the chances of life on several millions of planets just got very likely. You could chop that 1% chance down several times into fractions of a percent, and the result would still be millions.

Going by %1 there would be 500,000,000 Earthlike worlds for every 500,000,000,000 worlds. So yes the better question is when are we going to fine E.T, not does it exist or not.

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[QUOTE="l0ve"]The chance of a planet like earth existing is like one in a googol. size, distance from sun, size and age of sun, moon, atmosphere, molten core, water and other vital elements, etc. All of these are important for life to survive as we know it. And then even when you have this soup good luck with that spontaneous generation of life. Earth is truly amazing. The probability of God existing is greater than the chance that he does not. Call me crazy.keech

Considering the number of planets in the universe is so high that neither yours nor my tiny human mind can possibly come close to fathoming how big that number actually is, I have to disagree with you.

For the sake of simplicity let's say the chances of life happening on a planet is 1%. I know its much smaller but bare with me. 1% is not good odds at all. That would mean only 1/100 planets would have life on them. Now lets say you have 500 BILLION planets....the chances of life on several millions of planets just got very likely. You could chop that 1% chance down several times into fractions of a percent, and the result would still be millions.

Ok but what about the fact that we cannot create life and yet its supposed to just form by itself. Spontaneous generation of life doesn't work. Also DNA, pretty much layered organic data and meta data. Its in every living cell. DNA is one of the most amazing wonders of nature, sure we as people can manipulate it but not create it. What Im trying to say is for life to come into existence it takes a lot more than just the correct environmental conditions so the chance is pretty much 0.

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#168 GabuEx
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Ok but what about the fact that we cannot create life and yet its supposed to just form by itself. Spontaneous generation of life doesn't work. Also DNA, pretty much layered organic data and meta data. Its in every living cell. DNA is one of the most amazing wonders of nature, sure we as people can manipulate it but not create it. What Im trying to say is for life to come into existence it takes a lot more than just the correct environmental conditions so the chance is pretty much 0.

l0ve

When you have billions of years and when reactions occur in parallel all across the surface of the planet, the "chance", if one can call it that, becomes substantially greater than zero.

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#169 l0ve
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[QUOTE="l0ve"]

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GabuEx

When you have billions of years and when reactions occur in parallel all across the surface of the planet, the "chance", if one can call it that, becomes substantially greater than zero.

Hmmm excellent point. I guess since the world is so beautiful and full of wonder I just like to believe that there was/is something else behind it other than just chance. Chance just seems wrong to me lol. My 8th grade science teacher did always teach that the "number 1" rule of science is that anything can happen anywhere at any time for absolutely no reason, I thought it was a joke.
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#170 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="l0ve"]

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l0ve

When you have billions of years and when reactions occur in parallel all across the surface of the planet, the "chance", if one can call it that, becomes substantially greater than zero.

Hmmm excellent point. I guess since the world is so beautiful and full of wonder I just like to believe that there was/is something else behind it other than just chance. Chance just seems wrong to me lol. My 8th grade science teacher did always teach that the "number 1" rule of science is that anything can happen anywhere at any time for absolutely no reason, I thought it was a joke.

But that's the thing, that's why I put "chance" in quotation marks, because it wasn't chance; there were natural laws that led to the creation of organic matter on Earth; it wasn't just a biological cell as they exist today popping into existence out of nowhere.

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]also, I don't really understand it very well, but I would venture that organic chemistry and all the sciences are clear proof of God, even though my understanding of all those sciences is tenuous at bestGabuEx

You... don't understand something, but it's clear proof of God?

sounds like caveman complex to me

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#172 MOSSBERG_E-Rock
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Awesome

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#173 J-man45
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I agree with the topic title, but TC's posting history, if I am recalling correctly, leads me to believe he/she is being sarcastic.

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#174 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

I dont care if god is real or not, i will belive in him, the after life, and a second life here on earth.

Beats believing we will all be maggot food. You guys want to think about that, go ahead, ignorance is bliss.

Sandvichman

Regardless of religious beliefs we are still maggot food. Unless you're cremated of course.

youve been there yea i dont care what you say my existence will not cease after my death

yes it will. when your dead your DEAD.
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#175 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

hmmm you know what really seperates atheism from christianity.

The amount of wars started and fought by arrogant christians trying to force their beliefs on people that dont beleive the same as them, and the countless millions of innocent people that have been butchered in process.

But yes our universe is amazing and whats even more amazing is it will destroy itself before we can even find out 1% of all its secrets.

sonofsmeagle

There are many wars that could be described that way. Not just with Christians. And, countless millions of innocent people have been butchered for reasons other than the arrogant Christians pushing their beleifs... just look at Hitler or Stalin. Christianity isn't the only beleif system that has murdered in the name of their God... and, it's not like that today. (Unless you consider the Middle East, but that's Muslim, not Christian.)

yes but what i'm pointing out is that i never heard of a war being fought and millions dieing because some athiest's wanted to force their beleifs on others.

And what I was pointing out was that Christians are far from the only ones who have waged war due to their beleifs. By the way, I'm not sure what beleif system Hitler was a prt of, but, if he was Atheist, he technically did what you claim has never happened. He killed people for not thinking the same way as him, so he was trying to push his veiws.

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#176 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"]Pathetic to see so many atheists on OT.Solid_Snake325

Why?

Because most Americans consider themselves Christians and I assume most OTers are Americans. So it's saddening to see how so many OTers are atheist,

So?

The demographics are either off or you are "reading" them wrongly.

Whats sad about that?

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[QUOTE="l0ve"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

When you have billions of years and when reactions occur in parallel all across the surface of the planet, the "chance", if one can call it that, becomes substantially greater than zero.

GabuEx

Hmmm excellent point. I guess since the world is so beautiful and full of wonder I just like to believe that there was/is something else behind it other than just chance. Chance just seems wrong to me lol. My 8th grade science teacher did always teach that the "number 1" rule of science is that anything can happen anywhere at any time for absolutely no reason, I thought it was a joke.

But that's the thing, that's why I put "chance" in quotation marks, because it wasn't chance; there were natural laws that led to the creation of organic matter on Earth; it wasn't just a biological cell as they exist today popping into existence out of nowhere.

indeed you are right! not from nowhere but from the glorious Hand of Our Lord God! for mayor, the rap slayer, the hooka layer
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#178 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

Why?

Teenaged

Because most Americans consider themselves Christians and I assume most OTers are Americans. So it's saddening to see how so many OTers are atheist,

So?

The demographics are either off or you are "reading" them wrongly.

Whats sad about that?

I really don't think most Americans are very concerned with religion at all and when surveyed will give the religion they were born into; it's more of an ethnic or cultural thing than an actual set of beliefs for most Americans I know; the truly religious are I would say decidedly a minority
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Jesus is King, from the smallest atom, to the biggest sun.
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#180 _R34LiTY_
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that lil slide reminded me of the "observer effect" theory. it suggest that an atom only appears in one particular location only when you measure/observe it and that the further & deeper you look into it, you see a neverending repetition of the shape/pattern that makes up the atom, like a universe within the atom. so i take it that this theory suggests that the act of measurement or observation creates the entire universe.

I wonder who and what is doing the observing....

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#181 quiglythegreat
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that lil slide reminded me of the "observer effect" theory. it suggest that an atom only appears in one particular location only when you measure/observe it and that the further & deeper you look into it, you see a neverending repetition of the shape/pattern that makes up the atom, like a universe within the atom. so i take it that this theory suggests that the act of measurement or observation creates the entire universe.

I wonder who and what is doing the observing....

_R34LiTY_
well just to begin with you're kind of just mixing up quantum physics and the theory of fractals (which doesn't work for something as shapeless as quantum particles).
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#183 XvX_Fear_XvX
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its really really cool, but you know by saying "God" that completely changed the point of this topic........
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#184 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

that lil slide reminded me of the "observer effect" theory. it suggest that an atom only appears in one particular location only when you measure/observe it and that the further & deeper you look into it, you see a neverending repetition of the shape/pattern that makes up the atom, like a universe within the atom. so i take it that this theory suggests that the act of measurement or observation creates the entire universe.

I wonder who and what is doing the observing....

quiglythegreat

well just to begin with you're kind of just mixing up quantum physics and the theory of fractals (which doesn't work for something as shapeless as quantum particles).

hey i'm barely getting into this stuff, so my understanding of it may not be so complete, yet....

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#185 Zaibach
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Yep God is pretty awesome, I just wish he'd given us some neighbours, its awful lonely in this deep black emptiness.

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#187 tocool340
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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Bladecutter56"]

I'm fairly sure the universe is not infinite.

But I want to see all of it before I die, so, brb, inventing immortality.

xaos

Then where does it end? Does all of existence just stop?

That's sort of like asking an ant on the surface of a balloon where the balloon ends

Balloon? I was thinking blimp...
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#188 tocool340
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Wait, an ant is smaller than a microwave wavelength?....:?
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#189 MystikFollower
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That is an awesome scale.

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#190 Rekunta
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Everytime I see one of these things that attempts to put things into perspective it does me no good. There's no way I can comprehend something that big, but it's interesting to ponder nonetheless.

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#191 luisen123
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Amazed I am, moved to tears I was, to the fact that a deity built the universe only so I could please myself with pictures of naked women on the internet.