Ask.fm should be charged for manslaughter?
Err, no.
Schoolgirl is 'trolled to death' at ask.fm
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
I don't know why this sh!tty adjective always get thrown around. Suicide is awful, but it is anything but cowardly. Given how much humans fear death, how does that even make sense?
N30F3N1X
Some depth you put into your reasoning.
Because it's the easy way out, because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems, because it's an act done with no consideration for everyone she should have cared for?
Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?
"It's the easy way out."
Oh brother. You make it sound as if suicide is an easy thing to go through with.
"Because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems."
Yes, suicide is an escape from pain, but that doesn't neccesarily make it cowardly either. You do realize that there are things that people do to escape problems that are not cowardly per se?
"Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?"
I didn't say it was courageous. But that doesn't mean that suicide is cowardly. I'm reject your false dichotomy.
Also, you have no idea that the girl committed sucide just because of the internet trolling. It is likely that she had other mental/emotional issues.
Maybe you should stop being so judgmental. Funny that you accuse me of having shallowing reasoning, yet you're providing nothing but the usual talking points.
[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]An even remotely decent parenting would have prevented this from happening.JustBeYourselfImplying that the parent of every teenager who has ever committed suicide was a bad parent.That's a bizarre point of view. Also sending a child to a counselor when you feel they are going through emotional issues is pretty usual...don't quite understand what you're getting at with your reaction.
There's nothing bizarre to it. Plenty of kids have terribad parents and still manage to get by. Some don't, but the opposite isn't true - great parents make for great children. As I said deciding to suicide is not something you decide on a moment's notice - it's a huge downward spiral you have to walk down through before getting to that point. So where have the parents been all this time?
The fact that "it's pretty usual" doesn't make it any less senseless. Being a parent has its responsabilities and you cannot delegate those responsabilities to someone else.
Don't the facts that this moron of a father talk like a prepbuscent that's writing a message on a T9 keyboard and he wants the owner of the site to be "done for manslaughter" ring any bell for you?
[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
I don't know why this sh!tty adjective always get thrown around. Suicide is awful, but it is anything but cowardly. Given how much humans fear death, how does that even make sense?
GreySeal9
Some depth you put into your reasoning.
Because it's the easy way out, because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems, because it's an act done with no consideration for everyone she should have cared for?
Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?
"It's the easy way out."
Oh brother. You make it sound as if suicide is an easy thing to go through with.
"Because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems."
Yes, suicide is an escape from pain, but that doesn't neccesarily make it cowardly either. You do realize that there are things that people do to escape problems that are not cowardly per se?
"Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?"
I didn't say it was courageous. But that doesn't mean that suicide is cowardly. I'm reject for false dichotomy.
Also, you have no idea that the girl committed sucide just because of the internet trolling. It is likely that she had other mental/emotional issues.
Maybe you should stop being so judgmental. Funny that you accuse me of having shallowing reasoning, yet you're providing nothing but the usual talking points.
>Girl has problems in life >Girl doesn't want to solve problems through traditional means. >Girl kills herself. It's certainly the easiest, and a definite "cure-all" to "the problems of life" Though many would argue that putting a little more effort to solve your problems, while still keeping yourself alive, would be a better cure.However It does take longer, and a little more work.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]
Some depth you put into your reasoning.
Because it's the easy way out, because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems, because it's an act done with no consideration for everyone she should have cared for?
Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?
Nibroc420
"It's the easy way out."
Oh brother. You make it sound as if suicide is an easy thing to go through with.
"Because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems."
Yes, suicide is an escape from pain, but that doesn't neccesarily make it cowardly either. You do realize that there are things that people do to escape problems that are not cowardly per se?
"Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?"
I didn't say it was courageous. But that doesn't mean that suicide is cowardly. I'm reject for false dichotomy.
Also, you have no idea that the girl committed sucide just because of the internet trolling. It is likely that she had other mental/emotional issues.
Maybe you should stop being so judgmental. Funny that you accuse me of having shallowing reasoning, yet you're providing nothing but the usual talking points.
>Girl has problems in life >Girl doesn't want to solve problems through traditional means. >Girl kills herself. It's certainly the easiest, and a definite "cure-all" to "the problems of life" Though many would argue that putting a little more effort to solve your problems, while still keeping yourself alive, would be a better cure.However It does take longer, and a little more work.I usually don't respond to you because you're a troll who purposely posts nonsense, but that bolded section comically simplistic. You have no idea what underlying mental/emotional issues she may have had. You have no idea what her mindset was when she killed herself. You also have no idea what mental/emotional obstacles she had to overcome or how much support she had in overcoming them.
>Girl has problems in life >Girl doesn't want to solve problems through traditional means. >Girl kills herself. It's certainly the easiest, and a definite "cure-all" to "the problems of life" Though many would argue that putting a little more effort to solve your problems, while still keeping yourself alive, would be a better cure.However It does take longer, and a little more work.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
"It's the easy way out."
Oh brother. You make it sound as if suicide is an easy thing to go through with.
"Because it's the most extreme way of running away from problems."
Yes, suicide is an escape from pain, but that doesn't neccesarily make it cowardly either. You do realize that there are things that people do to escape problems that are not cowardly per se?
"Would you say a person who suicides over f*cking internet trolling is courageous?"
I didn't say it was courageous. But that doesn't mean that suicide is cowardly. I'm reject for false dichotomy.
Also, you have no idea that the girl committed sucide just because of the internet trolling. It is likely that she had other mental/emotional issues.
Maybe you should stop being so judgmental. Funny that you accuse me of having shallowing reasoning, yet you're providing nothing but the usual talking points.
GreySeal9
I usually don't respond to you because you're a troll who purposely posts nonsense, but that bolded section comically simplistic. You have no idea what underlying mental/emotional issues she may have had. You have no idea what her mindset was when she killed herself. You also have no idea what mental/emotional obstacles she had to overcome or how much support she had in overcoming them.
it doesn't matter. They could be fixed through her working to improve them. Maybe a psychiatrist is needed, i dont know, and either do you. She could be fixed, period. Instead, she decided working her problems out was too much work, and so she drank bleach and hung herself, taking advice from the bullies she could have easily avoided.
Short of blocking the internet altogether, there's no real way to prevent teenagers from being exposed to that kind of stuff.MrGeezerThat's what I was getting at. Supervised use ONLY. Otherwise it's completely forbidden. Histories checked regularly along with any other traces of activity. And the instant any wrongdoing is found, access is shut down completely. Is it extreme? Absolutely. But the internet is an extremely dangerous place for fragile minds.
[QUOTE="Treflis"]Wow, I knew there were some cold people on this site but I had no idea they were this rampant. The fact many of you aren't even ashamed speaks volumes on what kind of people you actually are, and that you're likely to use the " We're only joking" as a excuse also confirms how pathetic and disturbing you people are.Jebus213
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I'm sure as hell not joking.
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Give me a valid reason why I should show sympathy.Â
Frankly if you need a reason, then you have an absolute lack of sympathy in which case I truely pity you.
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Short of blocking the internet altogether, there's no real way to prevent teenagers from being exposed to that kind of stuff.El_Zo1212oThat's what I was getting at. Supervised use ONLY. Otherwise it's completely forbidden. Histories checked regularly along with any other traces of activity. And the instant any wrongdoing is found, access is shut down completely. Is it extreme? Absolutely. But the internet is an extremely dangerous place for fragile minds. There's such a thing as being too protective. Oversheltering kids can f***k them up just as much as not monitoring them at all, and 14 years old is plenty old enough where kids should be allowed to have some degree of independence. Constant monitoring at 14? Do you know what that even entails? The kid can't be in his room alone with his bedroom door closed, because he might be looking at a porno mag that one of his friends gave him in school. You can't let him hang out at his friend's house after school, because he might be playing a video game or watching a movie that you don't approve of. 14 years old is far too old for the "constant supervision at all times" rule, by that time you start gradually letting your kid have a limited form of independence so that they can form their own identity and have a "trial run" at learning how to operate in the real world without mommy and daddy constantly holding their hand.
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Short of blocking the internet altogether, there's no real way to prevent teenagers from being exposed to that kind of stuff.MrGeezerThat's what I was getting at. Supervised use ONLY. Otherwise it's completely forbidden. Histories checked regularly along with any other traces of activity. And the instant any wrongdoing is found, access is shut down completely. Is it extreme? Absolutely. But the internet is an extremely dangerous place for fragile minds. There's such a thing as being too protective. Oversheltering kids can f***k them up just as much as not monitoring them at all, and 14 years old is plenty old enough where kids should be allowed to have some degree of independence. Constant monitoring at 14? Do you know what that even entails? The kid can't be in his room alone with his bedroom door closed, because he might be looking at a porno mag that one of his friends gave him in school. You can't let him hang out at his friend's house after school, because he might be playing a video game or watching a movie that you don't approve of. 14 years old is far too old for the "constant supervision at all times" rule, by that time you start gradually letting your kid have a limited form of independence so that they can form their own identity and have a "trial run" at learning how to operate in the real world without mommy and daddy constantly holding their hand. Apparently 14 wasn't old enough in this case for the kind of independence she was allowed. My kids may hate me when they're still kids, but they'll be alive long enough to realize how much I cared with my overprotectiveness.
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] That's what I was getting at. Supervised use ONLY. Otherwise it's completely forbidden. Histories checked regularly along with any other traces of activity. And the instant any wrongdoing is found, access is shut down completely. Is it extreme? Absolutely. But the internet is an extremely dangerous place for fragile minds.El_Zo1212oThere's such a thing as being too protective. Oversheltering kids can f***k them up just as much as not monitoring them at all, and 14 years old is plenty old enough where kids should be allowed to have some degree of independence. Constant monitoring at 14? Do you know what that even entails? The kid can't be in his room alone with his bedroom door closed, because he might be looking at a porno mag that one of his friends gave him in school. You can't let him hang out at his friend's house after school, because he might be playing a video game or watching a movie that you don't approve of. 14 years old is far too old for the "constant supervision at all times" rule, by that time you start gradually letting your kid have a limited form of independence so that they can form their own identity and have a "trial run" at learning how to operate in the real world without mommy and daddy constantly holding their hand. Apparently 14 wasn't old enough in this case for the kind of independence she was allowed. My kids may hate me when they're still kids, but they'll be alive long enough to realize how much I cared with my overprotectiveness.
Unless you drive them to suicide.
Also, I am impressed that you are able to diagnose mental illnesses and simply cure them by preventing social interaction, which is definitely not going to have any adverse effects.
I'm going to lock my kids in a windowless cellar until they are adults (to protect them), at which point I no longer have responsibility and will promptly kick them out of the house (so that they become self-reliant).
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I sure was. But now I thank my dad for keeping me indoors after dark and not letting me run around the neighborhood and getting into drugs or gangs. Coming directly home after school sucked, sure, but I'm alive and have no criminal record because of it.MrGeezerHoly $hit, your parents actually let you go to school rather than home schooling you? That seems irresponsible to me. Do you have any idea of the types of $hit that goes on in schools?
You're kidding, right? Schools have rules against bullying. It just doesn't happen anymore.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Kids' activities online are monitored at school, and my kids wouldn't be permitted to spend enough time at a friend's house to be psychologically effected by so-called cyber bullying. Do you people know why cyber bullying effects these kids so deeply? Because the abuse is nonstop. It's nonstop because the kids are online nonstop. I say keep the internet out of the hands of children unless there is a pair of eyes watching over their shoulders at all times. El_Zo1212oNot necessarily. They could be bullied outside the internet as well...or suffer from low self esteem....or have undiagnosed problems. You see the world in black and white....and it's not that way with children. I know that- I was a kid once, too. Everything in life will have a negative effect on kids- that's just the way it works. But giving them unfettered access to anything they want because it'll shut them up for a few hours leads to shit like the article referenced in the OP. Avoiding having that as the end of your parental career is the closest thing to complete success there is when raising a child. Homework is now done on computers. Will you stop your child from doing homework because they might go on another site? Even benevolent sites have the risk of bullying....you seem to not be in the real world TBH. And this is a teen we're talking about....
Holy $hit, your parents actually let you go to school rather than home schooling you? That seems irresponsible to me. Do you have any idea of the types of $hit that goes on in schools?[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I sure was. But now I thank my dad for keeping me indoors after dark and not letting me run around the neighborhood and getting into drugs or gangs. Coming directly home after school sucked, sure, but I'm alive and have no criminal record because of it.coolbeans90
You're kidding, right? Schools have rules against bullying. It just doesn't happen anymore.
But bad influences do happen.....also not all schools are strict about bullying.Holy $hit, your parents actually let you go to school rather than home schooling you? That seems irresponsible to me. Do you have any idea of the types of $hit that goes on in schools?[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I sure was. But now I thank my dad for keeping me indoors after dark and not letting me run around the neighborhood and getting into drugs or gangs. Coming directly home after school sucked, sure, but I'm alive and have no criminal record because of it.coolbeans90
You're kidding, right? Schools have rules against bullying. It just doesn't happen anymore.
Uh...what? There's lots of stuff that isn't allowed in schools, including drug use, rape, and murder. And yes, all of that stuff absolutely does happen in schools.I remember some guy saying that exposure to negative social interactions during childhood is necessary (for people who won't kill themselves, anyway) in order to become well-adjusted to situations that occur frequently in life.
WHAT AN IDIOT!
I won't permit anyone to upset my kids until their first boss is p!ssed off at them.
And that is why my kids will not be allowed to go on the internet, go to friend's houses, play sports, or ever learn anything that could impact them in the future.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Holy $hit, your parents actually let you go to school rather than home schooling you? That seems irresponsible to me. Do you have any idea of the types of $hit that goes on in schools?MrGeezer
You're kidding, right? Schools have rules against bullying. It just doesn't happen anymore.
Uh...what? There's lots of stuff that isn't allowed in schools, including drug use, rape, and murder. And yes, all of that stuff absolutely does happen in schools.I was being facetious.
^ This guy didn't make much friends in School, no doubt about it.
Wow she killed herself over the internet how lame.
[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm betting when you were 14 you'd have been highly annoyed to have your parents looking over your shoulder all the time. LJS9502_basicI sure was. But now I thank my dad for keeping me indoors after dark and not letting me run around the neighborhood and getting into drugs or gangs. Coming directly home after school sucked, sure, but I'm alive and have no criminal record because of it. Too sheltered....at some point parents need to show their children they trust them. And children need to learn to survive in the world. No, they absolutely do NOT need to show them any such thing. Kids are stupid. They think they're indestructible and so do stupid things. I learned everything I needed about surviving in the real world from my business and life skills classes in high school- how to apply for a job, how to read and understand contracts(especially for rental agreements) and how to pay bills and balance a checkbook. This is really astounding to me that what I've said is causing such a riot on here. Are you people seriously this staunchly opposed to the idea of supervising your kids' activities online? Not giving a shit about that is how you end up with kids swinging by the necks in their bathrooms and screaming F*CK every 3 seconds in online matches. I find it more astonishing that you people would willingly subject your kids to the internet- where a kid could find him(or her-)self looking at gay porn for misspelling a free email webaddress- rather than countenance the idea of limiting internet access to a single computer in the common area of your home.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I sure was. But now I thank my dad for keeping me indoors after dark and not letting me run around the neighborhood and getting into drugs or gangs. Coming directly home after school sucked, sure, but I'm alive and have no criminal record because of it.El_Zo1212oToo sheltered....at some point parents need to show their children they trust them. And children need to learn to survive in the world. No, they absolutely do NOT need to show them any such thing. Kids are stupid. They think they're indestructible and so do stupid things. I learned everything I needed about surviving in the real world from my business and life skills classes in high school- how to apply for a job, how to read and understand contracts(especially for rental agreements) and how to pay bills and balance a checkbook. This is really astounding to me that what I've said is causing such a riot on here. Are you people seriously this staunchly opposed to the idea of supervising your kids' activities online? Not giving a shit about that is how you end up with kids swinging by the necks in their bathrooms and screaming F*CK every 3 seconds in online matches. I find it more astonishing that you people would willingly subject your kids to the internet- where a kid could find him(or her-)self looking at gay porn for misspelling a free email webaddress- rather than countenance the idea of limiting internet access to a single computer in the common area of your home.
You are an idiot. Normal kids don't kill themselves because they were called mean names on the internet. This girl had serious underlying issues, and those issues aren't something that always makes themselves known.
"didn't make many"* And no, I didn't. Everyone at my school was too busy showing off how cool they were by scribbling on walls and desks with paint markers or chatting up the easiest girls in class trying to arrange an afterschool tryst. I thought they were stupid and not worth my time. By the time I was seventeen I had a girlfriend who also thought such people were stupid and a group of three other dudes who used to go down to the pizza shop and play Marvel vs Capcom with whatever quarters we could turn up.^ This guy didn't make much friends in School, no doubt about it.
ThisIsTwoFace
No, they absolutely do NOT need to show them any such thing. Kids are stupid. They think they're indestructible and so do stupid things. I learned everything I needed about surviving in the real world from my business and life skills classes in high school- how to apply for a job, how to read and understand contracts(especially for rental agreements) and how to pay bills and balance a checkbook. This is really astounding to me that what I've said is causing such a riot on here. Are you people seriously this staunchly opposed to the idea of supervising your kids' activities online? Not giving a shit about that is how you end up with kids swinging by the necks in their bathrooms and screaming F*CK every 3 seconds in online matches. I find it more astonishing that you people would willingly subject your kids to the internet- where a kid could find him(or her-)self looking at gay porn for misspelling a free email webaddress- rather than countenance the idea of limiting internet access to a single computer in the common area of your home.[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Too sheltered....at some point parents need to show their children they trust them. And children need to learn to survive in the world.coolbeans90
You are an idiot. Normal kids don't kill themselves because they were called mean names on the internet. This girl had serious underlying issues, and those issues aren't something that always makes themselves known.
Are you seriously suggesting that you can raise a child for 14 years and you won't know if something is wrong with them? The only time a parent doesn't notice something as serious as a potentially suicidal depression or a building homicidal rage is if you aren't paying as much attention as you should be. If you miss clues like that, you're not an idiot- you're criminally oblivious.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] No, they absolutely do NOT need to show them any such thing. Kids are stupid. They think they're indestructible and so do stupid things. I learned everything I needed about surviving in the real world from my business and life skills classes in high school- how to apply for a job, how to read and understand contracts(especially for rental agreements) and how to pay bills and balance a checkbook. This is really astounding to me that what I've said is causing such a riot on here. Are you people seriously this staunchly opposed to the idea of supervising your kids' activities online? Not giving a shit about that is how you end up with kids swinging by the necks in their bathrooms and screaming F*CK every 3 seconds in online matches. I find it more astonishing that you people would willingly subject your kids to the internet- where a kid could find him(or her-)self looking at gay porn for misspelling a free email webaddress- rather than countenance the idea of limiting internet access to a single computer in the common area of your home.El_Zo1212o
You are an idiot. Normal kids don't kill themselves because they were called mean names on the internet. This girl had serious underlying issues, and those issues aren't something that always makes themselves known.
Are you seriously suggesting that you can raise a child for 14 years and you won't know if something is wrong with them? The only time a parent doesn't notice something as serious as a potentially suicidal depression or a building homicidal rage is if you aren't paying as much attention as you should be. If you miss clues like that, you're not an idiot- you're criminally oblivious.I am seriously suggesting that you can raise a kid without having the slightest idea that they are about to kill themselves. Most people do not do that when upset. This is not complicated, so I thought that this would be easy to understand, but I am getting tired of arguing with simpletons.
[QUOTE="feared4power"]
Wow she killed herself over the internet how lame.
GreySeal9
It's lame how you think she killed herself over just the internet.
people are easily offended these days its rather lameI highly recommend any up and coming fathers/mothers in this thread NOT to take LJS's idiotic parental advice.heeweesRusMy child does fine. I know what's going on but I don't smother my child.
[QUOTE="feared4power"]
Wow she killed herself over the internet how lame.
GreySeal9
It's lame how you think she killed herself over just the internet.
Well until more information comes out, she killed herself because of ask fm.
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]maybe the "Heartbroken parents" should have been know what the hell their 14 year old daughter was doing on that website.....JustSignedUpwhat a ridiculous thing to say, did your parents know what websites you were going on when you were 14, better yet did u want them to know what websites you were going to? i sure as hell didnt This thread is odd. Most of the replies want intense parental involvement in everything......and I doubt those same people told their parents everything.
For any newbies to the thread, heres the lowdown
-OP came, got flamed for using DailyMail as a source
-Little to no sympathy shown towards the girl or her parents, instead GS blames them (I do too)
-Thread goes off topic and drifts into us seeing LJS (Oh god) and this dude who is clearly a socially awkward person (and potential Antisocial person) argue about... damn Idek its so boring
-Coolbeans calls his opponent a simpleton - shots have been fired
-We discover that this El guy is the type of Parent who will cause you to have little to no friends and miss out on everything you should experience as a teenager.
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