Schoolgirls's Bunny Stolen By Animal Rights Activist

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[QUOTE="twitchmonkey399"] The bunny has been stolen by an overzealous animal rights activist. No matter how much baseless opinion is sandwiched between the few facts in the article, that we can know for sure. And that's all we need to hear to know that what was done was wrong. I always try to attach a good good motive to someone who does something that is perceived to wrong, and I am doing the same with this case. But no matter how good a motive I attach, the thief is still in the wrong. Period. That's the point dkrustyklown is making.twitchmonkey399

Well I can accept that point cause I agree that the theft was wrong as well. But that's not the point MrGeezer, myself, and others have been trying to make in this thread. The article itself is practically worthless so while I concede that the theft was wrong, I can't make any judgement about how "cruel" or "bad" this "heartless" thief really is.

Yeah I've been wondering for awhile what we were actually debating :P. We both have valid points that really didn't have anything to do with each other but somewhere along the way something got lost in translation lol.

well thats not very nice

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

So....you'd seriously send your family to death to ensure you die honorably?

Are you a samurai, or something?

dkrustyklown

So...you'd seriously violate another person's inherent right to his property just to save your life? Is your fear of death such that you would stoop to terrorizing other people just to stay alive? History condemns the legacy of those that do wrong to save their own skins, while history honors those that sacrifice themselves for what is right.

There is no uncertainty. Stealing is wrong. It is always wrong, no matter the circumstances. The concept of justified theft is an oxymoron. It is an inherent impossibility.

Morality is subjective. I would find it far more immoral to condemn my family to death than I would to steal.

And I do believe my life is greater than someones dollar bread. I know you disagree, but hey, thats your choice. Survival is a very strong instinct and I value my survival over my warriors honor.

And yes, if my choice is die or steal someones food, I'd steal their food.

I I'm aware of MrGeezer's, etc. point that the writer could have made the article into something favoring the thief nearly as easily as it made it favor the girl. The problem is, that's not entirely true. The article does provide some facts i.e. the stealing itself along with the note as well the girl's allegations (the girl's allegations being less important than the first two). From these facts alone we can conclude wrong doing. So the article isn't completely useless. Only the opinionated part is.

As I said before, I won't attempt to make a judgment on the thief's rational for committing the crime. So I agree with you there. And I think krustyklown would too, from what I've seen of his recent posts. But then again, I've only read his more recent posts, so I can't say this for sure. I will say both sides seem slightly confused on what the other's point is.

twitchmonkey399

The writer went beyond merely writing an overly opinionated article. The writer flat-out lied in order to make a point.

As such, we now don't know what in the article is a lie, and what is true.

What a d-bag.

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lmao

stealing a little girls bunny. How do they not see they are the bad guys here.

InEMplease

Yeah, yet we have several posters here trying to spin the situation into the little girl being the bad person and the thief being the good person.

Why do they have such difficulty understanding that stealing a little girl's bunny is a bad thing?

Because some of us can understand the thief's reasoning and see it might have been good thing for the rabbit. The family has several other pets, including a couple of dogs, so the chances of the rabbit having been neglected are pretty good I'm guessing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but wrong and right are subjective. Why do you have such difficulty understanding this?

Also, as wrong as stealing is, how wrong would you say it is to keep a creature locked in a cage all day every day? Especially when the creature has done nothing wrong beside come under the care of neglectful owners?

Well, actually, most animals are better off in captivity than in the wild. they get fed regularly, are protected from predators, and get medical treatment. That's not to say that all owners are caring, but in general, domestic animals enjoy longer and easier lives than their wild counterparts. In any case, a domesticated rabbit that has lived in captivity all its life could not survive in the wild. Just look at how fat it is :? I do agree with your point about right and wrong being subjective, but who says the owners were negligable?

sorry, i meant neglectful

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

So....you'd seriously send your family to death to ensure you die honorably?

Are you a samurai, or something?

dkrustyklown

So...you'd seriously violate another person's inherent right to his property just to save your life? Is your fear of death such that you would stoop to terrorizing other people just to stay alive? History condemns the legacy of those that do wrong to save their own skins, while history honors those that sacrifice themselves for what is right.

There is no uncertainty. Stealing is wrong. It is always wrong, no matter the circumstances. The concept of justified theft is an oxymoron. It is an inherent impossibility.

Yes most people would, and most people do. And i doubt thathistory would honor one who sacrifices himself in order for someone else to keep a 1$ apple or something. We'd just laugh at what a ****ing self-rightous idiot he was.

poor bunny..

Wow. :| I'm all for animal rights but that is taking to far, I'm sure that rabbit would be with that girl than out the wild. What pisses me off is when activists act like nature is peaceful when nature is a violent and cruel place. That rabbit will likely end up being eaten by a cat, dog, or wolf sadly.

Disgusting, is it just me who hates almost every activist group out there? I mean, for example feminist extremists and peta, and the worst thing about them is that they advertise themselves as saviors but actually they're just causing more harm than good. Peta kills 97.3% of the animals they have up for adoption and most feminists don't want equal rights, they just want more rights for women, and the other terrible thing about these self-righteous extremist groups is because they're so "helpful", people always support them in every way, for example,

Valerie Solanas, a radical feminist extremist who grew up in a broken home, was regularly sexually abused by her father and obviously had mental problems. Later she wrote a book which encouraged killing all men and creating an all-female society (someone skipped their biology). And if that's not enough, she shot celebrity artist Andy Warhol, because he was a man, and another man standing beside him, Warhol was in pain for the rest of his 10 years and rarely left the house out of fear of Solanas. Solanas recieved only 3 years in prison for attempted assassination on 2 men and if that's not enough, feminists actually protested Solanas' imprisonment, and chapter president for a feminist organization actuall called Solanas "the first outstanding champion of women's rights" and another member called her "one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement."

So because she hated men and shot 2 innocent men she's suddenly praised as a hero.

Disgusting, is it just me who hates almost every activist group out there? I mean, for example feminist extremists and peta, and the worst thing about them is that they advertise themselves as saviors but actually they're just causing more harm than good. Peta kills 97.3% of the animals they have up for adoption and most feminists don't want equal rights, they just want more rights for women, and the other terrible thing about these self-righteous extremist groups is because they're so "helpful", people always support them in every way, for example,

Valerie Solanas, a radical feminist extremist who grew up in a broken home, was regularly sexually abused by her father and obviously had mental problems. Later she wrote a book which encouraged killing all men and creating an all-female society (someone skipped their biology). And if that's not enough, she shot celebrity artist Andy Warhol, because he was a man, and another man standing beside him, Warhol was in pain for the rest of his 10 years and rarely left the house out of fear of Solanas. Solanas recieved only 3 years in prison for attempted assassination on 2 men and if that's not enough, feminists actually protested Solanas' imprisonment, and chapter president for a feminist organization actuall called Solanas "the first outstanding champion of women's rights" and another member called her "one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement."

So because she hated men and shot 2 innocent men she's suddenly praised as a hero.

Mr_Alexander

While I never formally objected to labelling the thief an "animal activist" (since you could technically call taking ANY animal an act of "activism"), the use of the term here is propaganda.

Keep in mind that there's no evidence that the thief belonged or sympathised with any activist groups...it's just someone who happened to steal a rabbit. That's it. Could be a member of a radical animal rights group. Or it could just be a random dude who saw (or thought he saw) the animal being mistreated and decided to do something about it. No one really knows, since they haven't caught the thief and don't know who the thief is.

Again, this just goes to show the level to which the article is trying to paint the story a certain way. The term "animal rights activist" carries certain connotations, especially when involving the illegal taking of captive animals. The point is to invoke a situation in which a dumbass member of a radical organization liberates a bunny from a little girl only to throw it to the wolves. I'll wager that some of the people reading this article were reminded of the opening scenes of 28 Days Later when they read the article.

And that's why they used that wording. Because one could argue that it is technically accurate, but the very connotations associated with the label imply more information than is available.

Activist? More like a lunatic or some punk kid.s It was probably just some punk teenagers.

lol prank or not, it reminds me of these crazy activists

I respect ppl who stand up for the enviroment, but this kind of activists make me sick, I think higher of p.oop than any of them!, And actually one of these psychos already was on my neighboorhood, you see I own 2 dogs and a cat. My cat is an indoor /outdoor pet, so he sometimes goes out, explores, hangs out with other cats in the neighborhood and whatnot. Back then my cat was an 6 month old kitten, and while I was washing my car outside I noticed this guy with my kitten on his hand, so I go to him and ask for my cat back.the S.O.B. lectured me on how I was being cruel bc my cat wasnt (and still isnt, LOL) neutered and that it was also cruel that he went outside.... Long story short he wasnt going to give him back, he was planning to get it neutered and give him a new home. Trust me, I tried to rationalize with the guy, but he put my cat on a cage in his car, so I had to punch him in the face and take my kitten by force, he did not dare to get up.. In conclusion this kind of activists are cowards, and please be responsible NEUTER your local nutjob activist!!, I truly hope that girl gets her bunny backelchiquilin

So...you committed assault on a man, and you let your cat roam around freely having babies (with no concern that most of those babies are going to die a horrible death) and somehow the guy who actually gives a **** about animals is the jerk?

Rabbits don't bond with Humans the way dogs do, but a captive-bred rabbit is as good as dead in the wild. It's a bifurcated idiocy.

Disgusting, is it just me who hates almost every activist group out there? I mean, for example feminist extremists and peta, and the worst thing about them is that they advertise themselves as saviors but actually they're just causing more harm than good. Peta kills 97.3% of the animals they have up for adoption and most feminists don't want equal rights, they just want more rights for women, and the other terrible thing about these self-righteous extremist groups is because they're so "helpful", people always support them in every way, for example,

Valerie Solanas, a radical feminist extremist who grew up in a broken home, was regularly sexually abused by her father and obviously had mental problems. Later she wrote a book which encouraged killing all men and creating an all-female society (someone skipped their biology). And if that's not enough, she shot celebrity artist Andy Warhol, because he was a man, and another man standing beside him, Warhol was in pain for the rest of his 10 years and rarely left the house out of fear of Solanas. Solanas recieved only 3 years in prison for attempted assassination on 2 men and if that's not enough, feminists actually protested Solanas' imprisonment, and chapter president for a feminist organization actuall called Solanas "the first outstanding champion of women's rights" and another member called her "one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement."

So because she hated men and shot 2 innocent men she's suddenly praised as a hero.

[QUOTE="elchiquilin"]I respect ppl who stand up for the enviroment, but this kind of activists make me sick, I think higher of p.oop than any of them!, And actually one of these psychos already was on my neighboorhood, you see I own 2 dogs and a cat. My cat is an indoor /outdoor pet, so he sometimes goes out, explores, hangs out with other cats in the neighborhood and whatnot. Back then my cat was an 6 month old kitten, and while I was washing my car outside I noticed this guy with my kitten on his hand, so I go to him and ask for my cat back.the S.O.B. lectured me on how I was being cruel bc my cat wasnt (and still isnt, LOL) neutered and that it was also cruel that he went outside.... Long story short he wasnt going to give him back, he was planning to get it neutered and give him a new home. Trust me, I tried to rationalize with the guy, but he put my cat on a cage in his car, so I had to punch him in the face and take my kitten by force, he did not dare to get up.. In conclusion this kind of activists are cowards, and please be responsible NEUTER your local nutjob activist!!, I truly hope that girl gets her bunny backMrGeezer

So...you committed assault on a man, and you let your cat roam around freely having babies (with no concern that most of those babies are going to die a horrible death) and somehow the guy who actually gives a **** about animals is the jerk?

Rabbits don't bond with Humans the way dogs do, but a captive-bred rabbit is as good as dead in the wild. It's a bifurcated idiocy.

Robbler

Again, there's absolutely zero indication that the rabbit was ever going to be let loose in the wild. The writer of the article just plain made that up, and then wrote the article so as to convince readers that that was the thief's intent.

The fact that so many people here are expressing outrage at a hypothetical situation which was completely fabricated by the writer shows that the article itself is a piece of **** and pretty much completely worthless.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="elchiquilin"]I respect ppl who stand up for the enviroment, but this kind of activists make me sick, I think higher of p.oop than any of them!, And actually one of these psychos already was on my neighboorhood, you see I own 2 dogs and a cat. My cat is an indoor /outdoor pet, so he sometimes goes out, explores, hangs out with other cats in the neighborhood and whatnot. Back then my cat was an 6 month old kitten, and while I was washing my car outside I noticed this guy with my kitten on his hand, so I go to him and ask for my cat back.the S.O.B. lectured me on how I was being cruel bc my cat wasnt (and still isnt, LOL) neutered and that it was also cruel that he went outside.... Long story short he wasnt going to give him back, he was planning to get it neutered and give him a new home. Trust me, I tried to rationalize with the guy, but he put my cat on a cage in his car, so I had to punch him in the face and take my kitten by force, he did not dare to get up.. In conclusion this kind of activists are cowards, and please be responsible NEUTER your local nutjob activist!!, I truly hope that girl gets her bunny backelchiquilin

So...you committed assault on a man, and you let your cat roam around freely having babies (with no concern that most of those babies are going to die a horrible death) and somehow the guy who actually gives a **** about animals is the jerk?

Whatever, he was the jerk, what he was doing was stealing and according to my state law there arent any assault charges applicable as I was defending my property, BTW, the vet told us the cat cant be neutered bc of a condition I don't remember the name to, so we have to wait till he is at least a year old (when according to our vet that should be when the cat finishes developing) to go with the neutering procedureelchiquilin

Please dude, you're gloating over the fact that your cat still isn't neutered.

I actually read your previous post.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Rabbits don't bond with Humans the way dogs do, but a captive-bred rabbit is as good as dead in the wild. It's a bifurcated idiocy.

MrGeezer

Again, there's absolutely zero indication that the rabbit was ever going to be let loose in the wild. The writer of the article just plain made that up, and then wrote the article so as to convince readers that that was the thief's intent.

The fact that so many people here are expressing outrage at a hypothetical situation which was completely fabricated by the writer shows that the article itself is a piece of **** and pretty much completely worthless.

What?! So the rabbit goes from one captive environment to another? What is your point?

Time to go set Peta HQ on fire. Whose coming along with me. :D

Time to go set Peta HQ on fire. Whose coming along with me. :D

Foliage-King

So...you committed assault on a man, and you let your cat roam around freely having babies (with no concern that most of those babies are going to die a horrible death) and somehow the guy who actually gives a **** about animals is the jerk?

MrGeezer

In many parts of the United States, it isn't assault in legal terms. It's "use of force in recovery of property". The same way that a bouncer can use force to eject a misbehaving patron from a bar, a citizen can use force to stop ongoing theft of property. In my state, if I see someone placing my property in his or her car and preparing to drive off, then I am legally empowered to take action to stop the theft and recover my property.

Time to go set Peta HQ on fire. Whose coming along with me. :D

There is nothing wrong with PETA's objectives, but PETA likes to use juvenile shock tactics, which don't work on intelligent people, other than alienating their cause, which is most unfortunate. There is no substitute for proper lobbying and petitioning. I am not suggesting that PETA had anything to do with this particular incident. In fact, I highly doubt it.

[QUOTE="bruinfan617"][QUOTE="Foliage-King"]

Time to go set Peta HQ on fire. Whose coming along with me. :D

The_Bio_Shu

There is nothing wrong with PETA's objectives, but PETA likes to use juvenile shock tactics, which don't work on intelligent people, other than alienating their cause, which is most unfortunate. There is no substitute for proper lobbying and petitioning. I am not suggesting that PETA had anything to do with this particular incident. In fact, I highly doubt it.

Robbler

Considering that PETA wants all animals released into the wild, including farm animals and pets, and to have the ownership of animals universally banned outright, I'm going to say that there is something wrong with PETA's objectives. :P

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

There is nothing wrong with PETA's objectives, but PETA likes to use juvenile shock tactics, which don't work on intelligent people, other than alienating their cause, which is most unfortunate. There is no substitute for proper lobbying and petitioning. I am not suggesting that PETA had anything to do with this particular incident. In fact, I highly doubt it.

GabuEx

Considering that PETA wants all animals released into the wild, including farm animals and pets, and to have the ownership of animals universally banned outright, I'm going to say that there is something wrong with PETA's objectives. :P

Their objectives may be ideal (in their eyes), but their approach is unrealistic and juvenile in scope.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

There is nothing wrong with PETA's objectives, but PETA likes to use juvenile shock tactics, which don't work on intelligent people, other than alienating their cause, which is most unfortunate. There is no substitute for proper lobbying and petitioning. I am not suggesting that PETA had anything to do with this particular incident. In fact, I highly doubt it.

GabuEx

Considering that PETA wants all animals released into the wild, including farm animals and pets, and to have the ownership of animals universally banned outright, I'm going to say that there is something wrong with PETA's objectives. :P

I have teeth for eating meat. So no

Why does the note read entirely differently than the article reports it to read?

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[QUOTE="Robbler"]

There is nothing wrong with PETA's objectives, but PETA likes to use juvenile shock tactics, which don't work on intelligent people, other than alienating their cause, which is most unfortunate. There is no substitute for proper lobbying and petitioning. I am not suggesting that PETA had anything to do with this particular incident. In fact, I highly doubt it.

clyde46

Considering that PETA wants all animals released into the wild, including farm animals and pets, and to have the ownership of animals universally banned outright, I'm going to say that there is something wrong with PETA's objectives. :P

That's exactly what they expect. Honestly I believe PETA has very noble causes they are fighting for, but just like every other organization that is ego controlled, they make it an "us" vs "them", and because in their model of the world they are right, that means everyone else is "wrong". Its the same mindsets that start wars.

"Crazy PETA"

Okay TC where in that article did they mention the PETA? I know the PETA has done some mess up stuff but there no proof that it was them. They are not the only Animal Rights group you know. And no where on that letter said that the person is going to released the rabbit in the wild so it looks like the author made something up which make me have some doubts on this article.

Edit: Did they edited the article? They seem to have corrected on what they said about the note.

"Crazy PETA"

Okay TC where in that article did they mention the PETA? I know the PETA has done some mess up stuff but there no proof that it was them. They are not the only Animal Rights group you know. And no where on that letter said that the person is going to released the rabbit in the wild so it looks like the author made something up which make me have some doubts on this article.

Edit: Did they edited the article? They seem to have corrected on what they said about the note.

Wanderer5

Good to see someone else who doesn't make baseless accusations.

Ahhh human beings... always making up some lame good Samaritan excuse to justify their cruel actsJaguar_Shade

Cry all you want ''little girl'' animals are meant to be free,yes i am like that :) don't care what anyone thinks, ''bu bu bu they're just kids''Tessellation

Cry all you want ''little girl'' animals are meant to be free,yes i am like that :) don't care what anyone thinks, ''bu bu bu they're just kids''Tessellation

the bunny was domesticated, so it WILL die in the wild. same thing with most dogs and cats. so...your wrong.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]Cry all you want ''little girl'' animals are meant to be free,yes i am like that :) don't care what anyone thinks, ''bu bu bu they're just kids''Ryir554

the bunny was domesticated, so it WILL die in the wild. same thing with most dogs and cats. so...your wrong.