Seems that Donald Trump is something of a birther

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldTrump-Obama-birthcertificate-theview/2011/03/28/id/390924

I love how he claims that Bush was asked for his birth certificate. Really? I sure don't remember any movement asking for Bush's certificate.

Not to mention that Obama has produced his certificate.

Add this to the list of reasons that it's pretty ridiculous that some people actually think this guy could be a real Presidential contender.

BTW, excuse the fact that I used newsmax.com. Was the first thing that popped up on google, so I just went with it.

I don't get the birther movement at all. Hasn't it already been proven that Obama is from Hawaii?

Gotta make sure the black guy was born in America, after all. Theokhoth

I really don't understand some of the idiocy of the Republican party sometimes.

It just seems to go well beyond normal but understandable human mistakes/ignorance.

I don't think Trump has a chance at being president, but he is saying things everyone is afraid tosay. For example, he says China isn't our friend which is true, etc.

Gotta make sure the black guy was born in America, after all. Theokhoth

I really don't understand some of the idiocy of the Republican party sometimes.

It just seems to go well beyond normal but understandable human mistakes/ignorance.

With-Hatred

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Gotta make sure the black guy was born in America, after all. BMD004

I think all birthers are out of their minds. But what the Donald even seriously considered as a candidate?

I really can't see how Trump can make a good president.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Gotta make sure the black guy was born in America, after all. Ace6301

I don't get the birther movement at all. Hasn't it already been proven that Obama is from Hawaii?

sonicare

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"] I think it has more to do with the fact that his father is from Kenya and Obama also grew up in Indonesia as a kid. It makes people question if he was actually born IN the United States... especially makes Republicans question. But anyway, wouldn't you think he'd have to show his birth certificate to somebody before he'd be allowed to become president? If there are stringent requirements such as you MUST be 35 years of age, you MUST have been in the US for 14 years and you MUST have been born here, it seems like you would have to have documentation to prove this before you'd be allowed to take office. So although he hasn't shown the public, it seems like he would have had to prove these things before he could take the job of being president.BMD004

I don't know what the US's rules are for people born to abroad (say your american parents are on Vacation while you're born,) but the rule is simple that you must be born an american citizen. So if the US automatically grants citizenship to people born abroad to american parents, it would still qualify your for president.

(I'm sorry if I didn't express my self clearly in this post.)

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I really don't understand some of the idiocy of the Republican party sometimes.

It just seems to go well beyond normal but understandable human mistakes/ignorance.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I've always wondered this really. The whole born in the US thing seems somewhat vague to me. It clearly doesn't have to be a recognized state since McCain was able to run but at what point do they draw the line. I assume someone from Guam could run and a child born to American parents who were abroad? Ace6301

Face it every one, McCain is not a natural born citizen, and he should not have been allowed to run for president.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I don't get the birther movement at all. Hasn't it already been proven that Obama is from Hawaii?

BuryMe

Kind of makes me think of people who refuse to believe that we landed on the moon. No matter how much evidence/logic is presented they just can't get over themselves.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I've always wondered this really. The whole born in the US thing seems somewhat vague to me. It clearly doesn't have to be a recognized state since McCain was able to run but at what point do they draw the line. I assume someone from Guam could run and a child born to American parents who were abroad? BuryMe

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I don't get the birther movement at all. Hasn't it already been proven that Obama is from Hawaii?

BMD004

And I'm pretty sure some one managed to dig up a hawaiian news paper that had the announcement of his birth in it. I'm not sure about that, though.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I don't get the birther movement at all. Hasn't it already been proven that Obama is from Hawaii?

BMD004

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

I still don't get why there is a rule that says you have to be born in the U.S. to run for office. Shouldn't being a citizen of the U.S. be good enough? The rule is basically saying that unless you are born here, you aren't good enough to be leader of the country. Seems kind of strange for a country created by a bunch of Europeans.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] No you have to either be born IN the United States, or on a US military base. That's it. McCain was born on a military base.BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]It has. But there's no level of proof they'll ever accept

With-Hatred

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2009/Jul/28/hawaii907280345V4_b.jpg

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]It has. But there's no level of proof they'll ever accept

With-Hatred

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]It has. But there's no level of proof they'll ever accept

BuryMe

And I'm pretty sure some one managed to dig up a hawaiian news paper that had the announcement of his birth in it. I'm not sure about that, though.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

I really don't understand some of the idiocy of the Republican party sometimes.

It just seems to go well beyond normal but understandable human mistakes/ignorance.

BMD004

Why would this matter?

I gave this hypothetical situation before:

One man was born in Canada, and less than 24 hours later he moves to United States. He lives in the US for 35 years. He is not eligible to run for presidency.

Another man was born in the US, and less than 24 hours later he moves to Terroriststan. He lives there for 21 years. He lives the next 14 years, to the age of 35, in the US. He can run for the presidency.

You cannot, under any reasonable argument, claim that the "Canadian" isn't an American who should have the right to run for presidency.

The requirement to be born in the US is antiquated and senseless. The measurement of being a leader is your capabilities - not your brithright.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I don't think it has been proven...BMD004

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I don't think it has been proven...BMD004

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2009/07/22/cnn-holds-copy-obama-birth-certificate In this one he actually holds up a copy

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/07/the-truth-about-barack%E2%80%99s-birth-certificate/

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] I don't think it has been proven...BuryMe

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

It took me 2 seconds to google this. Considering that over half of the people that voted in the republican primary believed that he was not a citizen, I think there are two possibilites. Either:

1. All birthers are incredibly stupid, i.e. a slow second grader can use google, or

2. They're blind, stubborn and ignorant as a result.

take ur pick.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2009/Jul/28/hawaii907280345V4_b.jpg

'Birth home' at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway on Oahu

The records from a Honolulutitle search, obtained by WND,document6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who lived at the property and remained owners into the 1970s.

Just because things are on the internet doesn't mean they are real. Now which one of these are real? The newspaper clipping, or this, or both?

And a birth announcement doesn't mean they were born there.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"] This is why I think that is fake. Why would it randomly show up on some two-bit website? If Obama released his birth certificate, he would have released it to the major news companies (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc). Not "fightthesmears.com"BMD004

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] You realize this has all been settled in courts previously right? The fact that Obama doesn't really seem to care about these people I think speaks volumes. If he released proof of his birth in the US to a major news outlet it's basically saying "Hey guys, totally was born in the states. Stop doubting me guys check it out right here. See!?". So far he's been all "Whatever these people are idiots". Which is exactly the kind of attitude someone would have over something as mind-numbingly idiotic as the birther movement.Ace6301

Donald Trump for Pres! http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-22-2011/back-in-black---trump-2012

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I don't get the birther movement at all. Hasn't it already been proven that Obama is from Hawaii?

BuryMe

Which leads me to believe that they can't handle a black president with a name that isn't American..

Forget about whether or not he is native to this country. How do we really know if he is even native to this planet? Blue_Shield

And why would that matter? Honestly, why would you have a problem with having someone who wasn't born in the United States running your country if he does a good job as a leader? I don't understand the whole "if he's not American then he shouldn't be president" thing. Is there some actual political reason, or is it just a custom?chrisrooR

Its actual law/requirement for the candidate to be a natural born American to run for office.

Y'know, this whole birther movement could be shattered in a heartbeat if someone would just go on primetime television with the guys birth certificate.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]And why would that matter? Honestly, why would you have a problem with having someone who wasn't born in the United States running your country if he does a good job as a leader? I don't understand the whole "if he's not American then he shouldn't be president" thing. Is there some actual political reason, or is it just a custom?LJS9502_basic

I mean, as some one already pointed out, you could be born in one country, move to the us the day you were born, and spend your entire life there and not be eligible for president.

You you could be born in the US, move to another country the day you are born, spend most of your life there and then come back to the US be be eligible for president.

Which of those 2 people is more likely to have "other interests?"

Y'know, this whole birther movement could be shattered in a heartbeat if someone would just go on primetime television with the guys birth certificate.

KH-mixerX

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]And why would that matter? Honestly, why would you have a problem with having someone who wasn't born in the United States running your country if he does a good job as a leader? I don't understand the whole "if he's not American then he shouldn't be president" thing. Is there some actual political reason, or is it just a custom?BuryMe

I mean, as some one already pointed out, you could be born in one country, move to the us the day you were born, and spend your entire life there and not be eligible for president.

You you could be born in the US, move to another country the day you are born, spend most of your life there and then come back to the US be be eligible for president.

Which of those 2 people is more likely to have "other interests?"

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's a requirement for president. And it matters because they don't want foreign nationals with other interests involved in the highest office. Nothing wrong with that rule.....but by now the birthers need to give it up. Time to move on to other issues.....LJS9502_basic

I mean, as some one already pointed out, you could be born in one country, move to the us the day you were born, and spend your entire life there and not be eligible for president.

You you could be born in the US, move to another country the day you are born, spend most of your life there and then come back to the US be be eligible for president.

Which of those 2 people is more likely to have "other interests?"

and obama spent a fair bit of his life out of the US.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]But doen't it strike you as more tha a little od?

I mean, as some one already pointed out, you could be born in one country, move to the us the day you were born, and spend your entire life there and not be eligible for president.

You you could be born in the US, move to another country the day you are born, spend most of your life there and then come back to the US be be eligible for president.

Which of those 2 people is more likely to have "other interests?"

BuryMe

and obama spent a fair bit of his life out of the US.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]But doen't it strike you as more tha a little od?

I mean, as some one already pointed out, you could be born in one country, move to the us the day you were born, and spend your entire life there and not be eligible for president.

You you could be born in the US, move to another country the day you are born, spend most of your life there and then come back to the US be be eligible for president.

Which of those 2 people is more likely to have "other interests?"

BuryMe

and obama spent a fair bit of his life out of the US.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]And why would that matter? Honestly, why would you have a problem with having someone who wasn't born in the United States running your country if he does a good job as a leader? I don't understand the whole "if he's not American then he shouldn't be president" thing. Is there some actual political reason, or is it just a custom?LJS9502_basic

Edit: Assuming the person was born outside of the United States.