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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Because we already have background checks. They aren't properly enforced as it is.KC_Hokie

Not at (all) gun shows....

Dealers still have to fill out info form on buyer and weapon and send it to the ATF.

There is a disconnect between the private sale, like person to person. I do support having a background check for something like that; however a problem is how would it work, and it wouldn't really cut down on bad guys getting weapons, and mass shootings. It would probably go unenforced like most gun laws after passing.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]
Yeah, no.
nocoolnamejim

Yea which is what we already have. This bill wanted 'expanded' background checks...whatever the hell that means.

Just to make sure I'm following you here. In the space of about four posts you've gone from: "Background checks can work (to reduce gun crime) if properly enforced" to "I'm opposed to this background check bill because it expands background checks...but I don't know the specifics of the bill" So on the one hand, you think background checks when enforced are a good thing to on the other stating this bill was a bad idea because it added additional background checks but you're not sure which ones.

I'm fine with background checks. They are law already. However, they aren't properly enforced nor even prosecuted.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not at (all) gun shows....
Chaos_HL21

Dealers still have to fill out info form on buyer and weapon and send it to the ATF.

There is a disconnect between the private sale, like person to person. I do support having a background check for something like that; however a problem is how would it work, and it wouldn't really cut down on bad guys getting weapons, and mass shootings. It would probably go unenforced like most gun laws after passing.

Exactly. They don't even enforce the laws on the books properly.

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Here are the vote tallys of all gun legislation voted on today.

Background check 54-46
Leahy amendment 58-42
CC reciprocity 57-43
AWB 40-60
Magazine ban 46-54

All of them failed.

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#55 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Dealers still have to fill out info form on buyer and weapon and send it to the ATF.KC_Hokie

You should watch what actually happens in gun shows....oh...and they pay and take the gun home that day.

Yea I've been to some. They are federally licensed dealers and still have to take down your information and gun information and give it to the ATF.

And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You should watch what actually happens in gun shows....oh...and they pay and take the gun home that day.LJS9502_basic

Yea I've been to some. They are federally licensed dealers and still have to take down your information and gun information and give it to the ATF.

And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?

You really think that's how felons buy their guns? Go through federal licensed dealers who send their info to the ATF?

Again, wouldn't have stopped any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

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#57 nocoolnamejim

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Yea which is what we already have. This bill wanted 'expanded' background checks...whatever the hell that means.

Just to make sure I'm following you here. In the space of about four posts you've gone from: "Background checks can work (to reduce gun crime) if properly enforced" to "I'm opposed to this background check bill because it expands background checks...but I don't know the specifics of the bill" So on the one hand, you think background checks when enforced are a good thing to on the other stating this bill was a bad idea because it added additional background checks but you're not sure which ones.

I'm fine with background checks. They are law already. However, they aren't properly enforced nor even prosecuted.

Mmmhmm. But you like background checks. Your only argument with them is they aren't enforced often enough or consistently enough. (No problem there.) This bill adds additional background checks to eliminate loopholes, such as, for example, the one involving gun shows which previously didn't require background checks. (In other words NOT on the books instead of on the books but not being enforced.) Or, to expand on what it closes: [quote="TPM"] The legislation closes the so-called gun show loophole by requiring an FBI background check for all firearm sales conducted at a gun show. It requires a criminal check for all commercial gun transactions, including listings posted in a newspaper or on the Internet. It expands an existing law that only requires background checks for licensed dealers, letting unlicensed dealers sell firearms without background checks in accordance with state and local laws. Gun control supporters are also pleased that the bill ensures record-keeping by the seller on transactions, akin to those already required on background checks that are mandatory. The dealer would need to keep a record of the sales he or she conducts in the event that police need to trace a weapon used to commit a crime.

Full Link One would think that you would want to know what the bill contains if you are in favor of background checks and think they work before coming out strongly against it.

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#58 deactivated-5b1e62582e305

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What I don't understand is the disconnect between the popularity of significant background checks, which seems to be high, and the number of Senators supporting it, which is barely a majority.
It suggests to me that Senators aren't properly representing their substituents.
jimkabrhel

It's because of NRA lobbying. Gotta sell those guns, man.

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#59 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Yea I've been to some. They are federally licensed dealers and still have to take down your information and gun information and give it to the ATF.

KC_Hokie

And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?

You really think that's how felons buy their guns? Go through federal licensed dealers who send their info to the ATF?

Again, wouldn't have stopped any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

Where did I mention felons?

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#60 coolbeans90

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TBH, I can live with background checks.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Just to make sure I'm following you here. In the space of about four posts you've gone from: "Background checks can work (to reduce gun crime) if properly enforced" to "I'm opposed to this background check bill because it expands background checks...but I don't know the specifics of the bill" So on the one hand, you think background checks when enforced are a good thing to on the other stating this bill was a bad idea because it added additional background checks but you're not sure which ones.

I'm fine with background checks. They are law already. However, they aren't properly enforced nor even prosecuted.

Mmmhmm. But you like background checks. Your only argument with them is they aren't enforced often enough or consistently enough. (No problem there.) This bill adds additional background checks to eliminate loopholes, such as, for example, the one involving gun shows which previously didn't require background checks. (In other words NOT on the books instead of on the books but not being enforced.) Or, to expand on what it closes: [quote="TPM"] The legislation closes the so-called gun show loophole by requiring an FBI background check for all firearm sales conducted at a gun show. It requires a criminal check for all commercial gun transactions, including listings posted in a newspaper or on the Internet. It expands an existing law that only requires background checks for licensed dealers, letting unlicensed dealers sell firearms without background checks in accordance with state and local laws. Gun control supporters are also pleased that the bill ensures record-keeping by the seller on transactions, akin to those already required on background checks that are mandatory. The dealer would need to keep a record of the sales he or she conducts in the event that police need to trace a weapon used to commit a crime.

Full Link One would think that you would want to know what the bill contains if you are in favor of background checks and think they work before coming out strongly against it.

Neat but they don't even properly enforce the laws on the books now. And only 1% that get caught even get prosecuted.

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
What I don't understand is the disconnect between the popularity of significant background checks, which seems to be high, and the number of Senators supporting it, which is barely a majority.
It suggests to me that Senators aren't properly representing their substituents.
Aljosa23

It's because of NRA lobbying. Gotta sell those guns, man.

I hope no one is shocked when the NRA starts lobbying for regulations against 3D printed guns

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?
LJS9502_basic

You really think that's how felons buy their guns? Go through federal licensed dealers who send their info to the ATF?

Again, wouldn't have stopped any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

Where did I mention felons?

They are the ones who show up on background checks.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
What I don't understand is the disconnect between the popularity of significant background checks, which seems to be high, and the number of Senators supporting it, which is barely a majority.
It suggests to me that Senators aren't properly representing their substituents.
DroidPhysX

It's because of NRA lobbying. Gotta sell those guns, man.

I hope no one is shocked when the NRA starts lobbying for regulations against 3D printed guns

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
What I don't understand is the disconnect between the popularity of significant background checks, which seems to be high, and the number of Senators supporting it, which is barely a majority.
It suggests to me that Senators aren't properly representing their substituents.
DroidPhysX

It's because of NRA lobbying. Gotta sell those guns, man.

I hope no one is shocked when the NRA starts lobbying for regulations against 3D printed guns

It will be funny to see them using the same excuses as the liberals.

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#66 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You really think that's how felons buy their guns? Go through federal licensed dealers who send their info to the ATF?
Again, wouldn't have stopped any of the mass shootings of the last decade.
KC_Hokie

Where did I mention felons?

They are the ones who show up on background checks.

So can mental illness......though felons can buy guns at gun shows...you know...no background checks and all. The Mexican cartels get guns from people that purchase guns at Texas gun shows.....

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#67 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51

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I have no issue with background checks.

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#68 nocoolnamejim

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You really think that's how felons buy their guns? Go through federal licensed dealers who send their info to the ATF?
Again, wouldn't have stopped any of the mass shootings of the last decade.
KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I don't see how background checks prevents gun crime. KC_Hokie

They can if properly enforced. The Feds don't even properly enforce the checks that are already law. And on top of that something like only 1% of those who lie on the checks even get prosecuted.

You seem confused. Basically 15 minutes ago, you were arguing with Fightingfan that background checks CAN prevent gun crime if properly enforced. Now you're arguing with LJS that background checks wouldn't prevent any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

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#69 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They are the ones who show up on background checks.KC_Hokie

So can mental illness......though felons can buy guns at gun shows...you know...no background checks and all. The Mexican cartels get guns from people that purchase guns at Texas gun shows.....

No. Background checks don't have mental illness status.

They can....there is no reason that cannot be included.

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Here are the vote tallys of all gun legislation voted on today.
Background check 54-46
Leahy amendment 58-42
CC reciprocity 57-43
AWB 40-60
Magazine ban 46-54
All of them failed.
Song related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPlF-IEkXQ
DJ419

I prefer this song actually

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#71 nocoolnamejim

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I'm fine with background checks. They are law already. However, they aren't properly enforced nor even prosecuted. KC_Hokie

Mmmhmm. But you like background checks. Your only argument with them is they aren't enforced often enough or consistently enough. (No problem there.) This bill adds additional background checks to eliminate loopholes, such as, for example, the one involving gun shows which previously didn't require background checks. (In other words NOT on the books instead of on the books but not being enforced.) Or, to expand on what it closes: [quote="TPM"] The legislation closes the so-called gun show loophole by requiring an FBI background check for all firearm sales conducted at a gun show. It requires a criminal check for all commercial gun transactions, including listings posted in a newspaper or on the Internet. It expands an existing law that only requires background checks for licensed dealers, letting unlicensed dealers sell firearms without background checks in accordance with state and local laws. Gun control supporters are also pleased that the bill ensures record-keeping by the seller on transactions, akin to those already required on background checks that are mandatory. The dealer would need to keep a record of the sales he or she conducts in the event that police need to trace a weapon used to commit a crime.

Full Link One would think that you would want to know what the bill contains if you are in favor of background checks and think they work before coming out strongly against it.

Neat but they don't even properly enforce the laws on the books now. And only 1% that get caught even get prosecuted.

So because they aren't doing enough to enforce existing laws, patching loopholes is a bad thing?

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I don't see how background checks prevents gun crime. KC_Hokie

They can if properly enforced. The Feds don't even properly enforce the checks that are already law. And on top of that something like only 1% of those who lie on the checks even get prosecuted.

You seem confused. Basically 15 minutes ago, you were arguing with Fightingfan that background checks CAN prevent gun crime if properly enforced. Now you're arguing with LJS that background checks wouldn't prevent any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

Yes, they work if enforced properly. They don't. And nothing in this latest bill would have prevented those shootings.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Mmmhmm. But you like background checks. Your only argument with them is they aren't enforced often enough or consistently enough. (No problem there.) This bill adds additional background checks to eliminate loopholes, such as, for example, the one involving gun shows which previously didn't require background checks. (In other words NOT on the books instead of on the books but not being enforced.) Or, to expand on what it closes: [quote="TPM"] The legislation closes the so-called gun show loophole by requiring an FBI background check for all firearm sales conducted at a gun show. It requires a criminal check for all commercial gun transactions, including listings posted in a newspaper or on the Internet. It expands an existing law that only requires background checks for licensed dealers, letting unlicensed dealers sell firearms without background checks in accordance with state and local laws. Gun control supporters are also pleased that the bill ensures record-keeping by the seller on transactions, akin to those already required on background checks that are mandatory. The dealer would need to keep a record of the sales he or she conducts in the event that police need to trace a weapon used to commit a crime.

Full Link One would think that you would want to know what the bill contains if you are in favor of background checks and think they work before coming out strongly against it.

Neat but they don't even properly enforce the laws on the books now. And only 1% that get caught even get prosecuted.

So because they aren't doing enough to enforce existing laws, patching loopholes is a bad thing?

If you don't properly enforce existing bills nor prosecute those you catch...there is no point of adding more that won't get enforced.

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#74 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused..

LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

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#75 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] They can if properly enforced. The Feds don't even properly enforce the checks that are already law. And on top of that something like only 1% of those who lie on the checks even get prosecuted.

You seem confused. Basically 15 minutes ago, you were arguing with Fightingfan that background checks CAN prevent gun crime if properly enforced. Now you're arguing with LJS that background checks wouldn't prevent any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

Yes, they work if enforced properly. They don't. And nothing in this latest bill would have prevented those shootings.

Oh wow....magic crystal ball. Can I have the lottery numbers?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So can mental illness......though felons can buy guns at gun shows...you know...no background checks and all. The Mexican cartels get guns from people that purchase guns at Texas gun shows.....

No. Background checks don't have mental illness status.

They can....there is no reason that cannot be included.

Ahhh. no. Since when do background checks have mental illness status.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You should watch what actually happens in gun shows....oh...and they pay and take the gun home that day.LJS9502_basic

Yea I've been to some. They are federally licensed dealers and still have to take down your information and gun information and give it to the ATF.

And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?

citation needed. You may be talking about private sales. All federally licensed firearms dealers have to do a background check, and a background check with the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is a pretty fast process. Not sure of the time frame between being able to take the weapon home, (I know in Florida if you have aconcealed weapons permit you can take the weapon after the background check).

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused. Basically 15 minutes ago, you were arguing with Fightingfan that background checks CAN prevent gun crime if properly enforced. Now you're arguing with LJS that background checks wouldn't prevent any of the mass shootings of the last decade.

Yes, they work if enforced properly. They don't. And nothing in this latest bill would have prevented those shootings.

Oh wow....magic crystal ball. Can I have the lottery numbers?

The Feds self reported they only prosecute 1% that lie on background checks now.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused..

LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

LOL. Where is that argumentative little ragamuffin these days? Was he banned or something?

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#80 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. Background checks don't have mental illness status.KC_Hokie

They can....there is no reason that cannot be included.

Ahhh. no. Since when do background checks have mental illness status.

Did I confuse you? I said it can be included. Merely a data base that flags individuals. OF course with an attitude like yours...nothing will get done.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Yea I've been to some. They are federally licensed dealers and still have to take down your information and gun information and give it to the ATF.

Chaos_HL21

And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?

citation needed. You may be talking about private sales. All federally licensed firearms dealers have to do a background check, and a background check with the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is a pretty fast process. Not sure of the time frame between being able to take the weapon home, (I know in Florida if you have aconcealed weapons permit you can take the weapon after the background check).

They don't do it instantly but the info on the buyer and gun are all turned over to the ATF within 5 days and must be kept on record.

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#82 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Yea I've been to some. They are federally licensed dealers and still have to take down your information and gun information and give it to the ATF.

Chaos_HL21

And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?

citation needed. You may be talking about private sales. All federally licensed firearms dealers have to do a background check, and a background check with the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is a pretty fast process. Not sure of the time frame between being able to take the weapon home, (I know in Florida if you have aconcealed weapons permit you can take the weapon after the background check).

Gun Show. Was on a show about the problems in Mexico.

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#83 nocoolnamejim

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused..

LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

In this case it's valid though! Hokies is all over the map here. "Background checks work. We just need to enforce them more!" "A bill that closes loopholes on background checks is no good because it wouldn't prevent anything." "We don't need any 'expanded' background checks. We just need to enforce the ones we have...even if I don't know what the expanded background checks are." "Background checks wouldn't have prevented any mass shooting of the last decade." It's like trying to debate Mitt Romney.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They can....there is no reason that cannot be included.

Ahhh. no. Since when do background checks have mental illness status.

Did I confuse you? I said it can be included. Merely a data base that flags individuals. OF course with an attitude like yours...nothing will get done.

No...there is no such thing in existence. You're just making stuff up now.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]It's because of NRA lobbying. Gotta sell those guns, man.Rich3232

I hope no one is shocked when the NRA starts lobbying for regulations against 3D printed guns

It will be funny to see them using the same excuses as the liberals.

One interesting historical tidbit about the NRA is that they fully supported gun control in the late 60's and 70's when it was black people trying to express their second amendment right.

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#86 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused..

LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

LOL. Where is that argumentative little ragamuffin these days? Was he banned or something?

I saw him posting today I think....go Pens.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused..

LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

In this case it's valid though! Hokies is all over the map here. "Background checks work. We just need to enforce them more!" "A bill that closes loopholes on background checks is no good because it wouldn't prevent anything." "We don't need any 'expanded' background checks. We just need to enforce the ones we have...even if I don't know what the expanded background checks are." "Background checks wouldn't have prevented any mass shooting of the last decade." It's like trying to debate Mitt Romney.

There is no contradiction there. Overall background checks work if used properly (what we have now). However, nothing in this new bill would have solved the mass shootings.

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#88 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ahhh. no. Since when do background checks have mental illness status.KC_Hokie

Did I confuse you? I said it can be included. Merely a data base that flags individuals. OF course with an attitude like yours...nothing will get done.

No...there is no such thing in existence. You're just making stuff up now.

Oh for f*cks sake. You totally missed the point.

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#89 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You seem confused..

LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

In this case it's valid though! Hokies is all over the map here. "Background checks work. We just need to enforce them more!" "A bill that closes loopholes on background checks is no good because it wouldn't prevent anything." "We don't need any 'expanded' background checks. We just need to enforce the ones we have...even if I don't know what the expanded background checks are." "Background checks wouldn't have prevented any mass shooting of the last decade." It's like trying to debate Mitt Romney.

Oh I didn't say it wasn't valid. Just caught my eye.:P

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Did I confuse you? I said it can be included. Merely a data base that flags individuals. OF course with an attitude like yours...nothing will get done.

No...there is no such thing in existence. You're just making stuff up now.

Oh for f*cks sake. You totally missed the point.

What point? We don't have mental illness databases nor would this bill have created one.

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] I hope no one is shocked when the NRA starts lobbying for regulations against 3D printed guns-Sun_Tzu-

It will be funny to see them using the same excuses as the liberals.

One interesting historical tidbit about the NRA is that they fully supported gun control in the late 60's and 70's when it was black people trying to express their second amendment right.

Rofl. Ah, when in doubt, go after the poor and the minorities. That's something the (white) man can get behind.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

LOL. Where is that argumentative little ragamuffin these days? Was he banned or something?

I saw him posting today I think....go Pens.

Ah, I see. Thanks...Go Leafs Go.

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#93 nocoolnamejim

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] LOL...I had a thegerg flashback.

In this case it's valid though! Hokies is all over the map here. "Background checks work. We just need to enforce them more!" "A bill that closes loopholes on background checks is no good because it wouldn't prevent anything." "We don't need any 'expanded' background checks. We just need to enforce the ones we have...even if I don't know what the expanded background checks are." "Background checks wouldn't have prevented any mass shooting of the last decade." It's like trying to debate Mitt Romney.

There is no contradiction there. Overall background checks work if used properly (what we have now). However, nothing in this new bill would have solved the mass shootings.

You didn't even know what the new bill contained before you came to that conclusion! There is a contradiction. Background checks work (or at least are a good start) IF THEY ARE COMPREHENSIVE. If, for example, there are background checks on my buying one on the Internet, but NOT any on my buying one at my local gun shop, then they won't deter any criminal because all but the most brain dead of criminals will figure out to buy at the local gun shop and not on the internet. Similarly, the whole point of the expanded background checks was to try and close that very sort of loophole. Making sure background checks were done at gun shows or on unlicensed dealers. Which are not on the books now and therefore can't be enforced.

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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And not all dealers require anything BUT the cash.....and again....there isn't a background check done. They get the gun that day whether they have to show ID or not. Why is it a big deal to require background check at gun shows?
LJS9502_basic

citation needed. You may be talking about private sales. All federally licensed firearms dealers have to do a background check, and a background check with the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is a pretty fast process. Not sure of the time frame between being able to take the weapon home, (I know in Florida if you have aconcealed weapons permit you can take the weapon after the background check).

Gun Show. Was on a show about the problems in Mexico.

Have a link or name of the program?

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#95 LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]
citation needed. You may be talking about private sales. All federally licensed firearms dealers have to do a background check, and a background check with the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is a pretty fast process. Not sure of the time frame between being able to take the weapon home, (I know in Florida if you have aconcealed weapons permit you can take the weapon after the background check).
Chaos_HL21

Gun Show. Was on a show about the problems in Mexico.

Have a link or name of the program?

No. I watched it on a TV a couple weeks ago. But there aren't background checks at gun shows. Are you disputing that?

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With all this talk about gun shows being a favorite place to buy guns amongst felons. We need to ask ourselves how felons are getting their guns to use in crimes. Gun shows account for a very small percentage I believe. The vast majority of felons obtain their guns illegally through straw purchases.

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With all this talk about gun shows being a favorite place to buy guns amongst felons. We need to ask ourselves how felons are getting their guns to use in crimes. Gun shows account for a very small percentage I believe. The vast majority of felons obtain their guns illegally through straw purchases.
DJ419

I agree. The notion that convicted felons buy their guns via federal licensed dealers and not off the black market is silly.

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[QUOTE="DJ419"]
With all this talk about gun shows being a favorite place to buy guns amongst felons. We need to ask ourselves how felons are getting their guns to use in crimes. Gun shows account for a very small percentage I believe. The vast majority of felons obtain their guns illegally through straw purchases.
KC_Hokie

I agree. The notion that convicted felons buy their guns via federal licensed dealers and not off the black market is silly.

There's a difference between getting something off the black market and straw purchases.

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Mitch McConnell posted this to his Facebook page, I guess because he wants to come off as a cartoonish movie villain
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/17324_552665124756002_385013817_n.jpg
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="DJ419"]
With all this talk about gun shows being a favorite place to buy guns amongst felons. We need to ask ourselves how felons are getting their guns to use in crimes. Gun shows account for a very small percentage I believe. The vast majority of felons obtain their guns illegally through straw purchases.
-Sun_Tzu-

I agree. The notion that convicted felons buy their guns via federal licensed dealers and not off the black market is silly.

There's a difference between getting something off the black market and straw purchases.

That's still illegal and the black market.

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