sex is an innate right, so why is prostitution illegal?

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#302 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="Deihjan"]Go on and tell me the sex workers there are 'happy' or 'okay' with their lives.Deihjan
your wish shall be granted. sex-workers are happy and very okay with their lives. it's exactly at the 35:00 mark. John Stossel is a smart guy.

*clicks* *faux news* Yeah, no.

it's a well-done interview with sex workers and a licensed pimp. i really recommend you watch it. i don't get why people discredit things without even taking a gander at it.
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#303 poptart
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

Sex is dirty, decedant and altogether very unchristian.

Teenaged

Sidehugs for everyone.

What is this sidehug you speak of? What's wrong with unabashed full frontal hugging?

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#304 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"] Then it doesn't make any sense on any level. I didn't say it nor is anything I said hypocritical. DarkOfKnight

Yet you assumed that's what he meant. If you didnt then why refute it?

That's what is called a strawman. You refute a claim that the person never made.

Stop pretending to be the example of a constructive conversationalist and start adhering to the rules that you complain others dont adhere to.

Hmmmm...right. You might want to read it again before you go off the handle. I clearly never did that. I even told him to NOT twist my words around and said the second the second line didn't make any sense. I never accused him of anything, you claimed i did. Take your own advice.

So you just refute claims that you know he never made.

Yeah that makes total sense.....

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#305 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="poptart"]

Sex is dirty, decedant and altogether very unchristian.

poptart

Sidehugs for everyone.

What is this sidehug you speak of? What's wrong with unabashed full frontal hugging?

Genitals in close proximity, that's what.

It's degrading.

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#306 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] your wish shall be granted. sex-workers are happy and very okay with their lives. it's exactly at the 35:00 mark. John Stossel is a smart guy.ZumaJones07
*clicks* *faux news* Yeah, no.

it's a well-done interview with sex workers and a licensed pimp. i really recommend you watch it. i don't get why people discredit things without even taking a gander at it.

Not gonna watch sh!t from fox news. Sorry I'm not a mindless american.

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#308 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No, it's another case of you trying to maintain a silly facade.DarkOfKnight
No, it's another case of you accusing me of doing something I am not in order to degrade my view. Please don't do this while pretending to have the moral high ground. Umkay?

I'm not pretending to be more moral than you.

Perhaps just better in the hypocrisy "area". Since that's all I just did in this thread (except for the love doctor joke which even a 10 year old understands). Called you out on your hypocritically strict attitutude towards how others respond to you when answering to your points.

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#310 poptart
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

Sex is dirty, decedant and altogether very unchristian.

Iridionprime

Who gives a crap if it's unchristian? Besides some devoted christians...

I think god gives a crap. If he wanted us to pay for sex he would have given women in built credit card readers, or a coin slot.... actually I guess their front bottom does resemble a coin slot in some way. Maybe the bible was wrong and after fornicating we're supposed to pop a couple of dollars up the frontal flume.

I've changed my mind. Prostitution is actually okay. Thank you for helping me figure this out. God loves you.

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#311 ZumaJones07
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Not gonna watch sh!t from fox news. Sorry I'm not a mindless american.

Deihjan
do you know who john stossel is? he actually works on the Fox BUSINESS channel, but this was a special report he did on his own and put on FOX for better exposure. plus he was with ABC before that. watch the first two minutes at least.
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#312 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"] Hmmmm...right. You might want to read it again before you go off the handle. I clearly never did that. I even told him to NOT twist my words around and said the second the second line didn't make any sense. I never accused him of anything, you claimed i did. Take your own advice.DarkOfKnight

So you just refute claims that you know he never made.

Yeah that makes total sense.....

Please take your own advice, stop with the the strawmen.

Both of our posts are there for everyone to judge who has been using strawmen or not.

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#313 poptart
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Sidehugs for everyone.

Teenaged

What is this sidehug you speak of? What's wrong with unabashed full frontal hugging?

Genitals in close proximity, that's what.

It's degrading.

sh!t man that's sick

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First of all, stop twisting my words around, it doesn't help you. And that second line doesn't make any sense, I clearly think a woman has more to offer a man then sex..you on the other hand. DarkOfKnight
You literally just called sex what a woman has to offer a man. Therefore, a woman's sexual rights aren't her own, but instead what she can offer a man.

So I should shut up and never express my views on anything then? Tell civil rights leaders that, and yourself. Every man, woman and child as a right to express their views for others to hear and judge, they however don't have the right to tell others they don't have the right to say them. I will continue to feel as I do, and you can just live with the fact others think differently. DarkOfKnight

Expressing viewpoints != telling other people what degrades them, even if they themselves disagree.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"] No, it's another case of you accusing me of doing something I am not in order to degrade my view. Please don't do this while pretending to have the moral high ground. Umkay?DarkOfKnight

I'm not pretending to be more moral than you.

Perhaps just better in the hypocrisy "area". Since that's all I just did in this thread (except for the love doctor joke which even a 10 year old understands). Called you out on your hypocritically strict attitutude towards how others respond to you when answering to your points.

What you did is twist my words around, erect strawmen and accuse me of doing things I didn't do all in order to degrade my view on the matter. Which you continue to do here while assuming I am not catching it. Please stop this. This is going in circles, so consider this my last reply to you.

Sure thing buddy, that's what I did.

I dont want to make it hard for you to sleep at night.

Everyone is conspiring against you... you are right... all who disagree with you just twist your words... you are astrong...andconfidentmoron who will not respond to them again...


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#318 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"]

Not gonna watch sh!t from fox news. Sorry I'm not a mindless american.

ZumaJones07
do you know who john stossel is? he actually works on the Fox BUSINESS channel, but this was a special report he did on his own and put on FOX for better exposure. plus he was with ABC before that. watch the first two minutes at least.

Honestly don't give two sh!ts about who the man is.
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#319 ShuLordLiuPei
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Not gonna watch sh!t from fox news. Sorry I'm not a mindless american.

Deihjan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem

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#321 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="Deihjan"]

Not gonna watch sh!t from fox news. Sorry I'm not a mindless american.

Deihjan
do you know who john stossel is? he actually works on the Fox BUSINESS channel, but this was a special report he did on his own and put on FOX for better exposure. plus he was with ABC before that. watch the first two minutes at least.

Honestly don't give two sh!ts about who the man is.

what about the CONTENT of the video which relates to this very topic and the challenge you asked me to fulfill? you're just like airshocker :P
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#322 poptart
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[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I'm not pretending to be more moral than you.

Perhaps just better in the hypocrisy "area". Since that's all I just did in this thread (except for the love doctor joke which even a 10 year old understands). Called you out on your hypocritically strict attitutude towards how others respond to you when answering to your points.

Teenaged

What you did is twist my words around, erect strawmen and accuse me of doing things I didn't do all in order to degrade my view on the matter. Which you continue to do here while assuming I am not catching it. Please stop this. This is going in circles, so consider this my last reply to you.

Sure thing buddy, that's what I did.

I dont want to make it hard for you to sleep at night.

Everyone is conspiring against you... you are right... all who disagree with you just twist your words... you are astrong...andconfidentmoron who will not respond to them again...


ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Thou shall not penetrate this moral bastion.

...Penetrate being fairly apt in this thread.

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#323 ZumaJones07
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I know whoe he is, I thought he was an idiot when he was on ABC and that hasn't changed.DarkOfKnight
well she said that she won't watch the proof i gave her simply because of a little logo so i had to try another approach.
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#324 ShuLordLiuPei
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No I didn't. I clearly said the opposite. DarkOfKnight

Here is the exact quote:

she should respect herself and what she has to offer a manDarkOfKnight
(emphasis added)

And you think just because other disagree I don't have the right to say them? Please. DarkOfKnight

Please tell me where I said that. I'm saying that you can express your viewpoint, but cannot say that any person other than yourself is being degraded, because degradation is a personal feeling. If they don't feel degraded, then you have absolutely no place telling them that they do. Understand?

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#325 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]I know whoe he is, I thought he was an idiot when he was on ABC and that hasn't changed.ZumaJones07
well she said that she won't watch the proof i gave her simply because of a little logo so i had to try another approach.

Because I don't believe lies from a TV news network that so often before has been laughed at on local networks in my own country, because their sense of journalism takes a viewpoint completely skewered the truth. Not gonna watch that.
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#326 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]I know whoe he is, I thought he was an idiot when he was on ABC and that hasn't changed.Deihjan
well she said that she won't watch the proof i gave her simply because of a little logo so i had to try another approach.

Because I don't believe lies from a TV news network that so often before has been laughed at on local networks in my own country, because their sense of journalism takes a viewpoint completely skewered the truth. Not gonna watch that.

what if i told you there were no lies in the video and that you are stubborn? anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.
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#327 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.

And yet they still degrade themselves. Oops.
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#328 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.

And yet they still degrade themselves. Oops.

how can you say they're degrading themselves when they say themselves that they do not feel degraded? it only matters how they look at it. why do you think it's okay to make decisions for people?
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#329 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.

And yet they still degrade themselves. Oops.

how can you say they're degrading themselves when they say themselves that they do not feel degraded? it only matters how they look at it. why do you think it's okay to make decisions for people?

Because people make bad decisions.
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Because I don't believe lies from a TV news network that so often before has been laughed at on local networks in my own country, because their sense of journalism takes a viewpoint completely skewered the truth. Not gonna watch that.Deihjan

You're confusing two facets of Fox News. Fox News reports have journalistic integrity. Every town has a local Fox news channel. What you're all laughing at is not the Fox News articles themselves, but the conversative Fox talk show hosts and pundits that come on at various times. News articles are entirely unrelated to, say, The O'Reilly Factor, the Glenn Beck program, and Hannity.

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#331 ZumaJones07
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Because people make bad decisions.SolidSnake35
so what
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#332 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] well she said that she won't watch the proof i gave her simply because of a little logo so i had to try another approach.

Because I don't believe lies from a TV news network that so often before has been laughed at on local networks in my own country, because their sense of journalism takes a viewpoint completely skewered the truth. Not gonna watch that.

what if i told you there were no lies in the video and that you are stubborn? anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.

You don't know if they were paid by anyone to agree to say that on TV. My sister has been in Thailand and she says the lady-boys and the prostitutes all have no gleam in their eyes, that they have scars on their bodies after attempts of ending their lives. Very, very few who are sex-workers enjoy it, because they get abused by clients or pimps. Not even the women who work legally as prostitutes are 100% okay with their line of work. Would YOU want to be a prostitute? Would you honestly?
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"] Because I don't believe lies from a TV news network that so often before has been laughed at on local networks in my own country, because their sense of journalism takes a viewpoint completely skewered the truth. Not gonna watch that.ShuLordLiuPei

You're confusing two facets of Fox News. Fox News reports have journalistic integrity. Every town has a local Fox news channel. What you're all laughing at is not the Fox News articles themselves, but the conversative Fox talk show hosts and pundits that come on at various times. News articles are entirely unrelated to, say, The O'Reilly Factor, the Glenn Beck program, and Hannity.

don't even try, she has already put her head in the sand.
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#334 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because people make bad decisions.ZumaJones07
so what

So we should help them live decent lives. Letting random freaks have sex with you just because they can afford it is not a part of a decent life.
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#335 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] don't even try, she has already put her head in the sand.

I'd rather do that than actively support prostitution. I mean seriously... what's it come to when people think that's worth fighting for? :|
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#336 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] why do you think it's okay to make decisions for people?

Same could be asked to you.
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#337 ZumaJones07
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Very, very few who are sex-workers enjoy it, because they get abused by clients or pimps. Not even the women who work legally as prostitutes are 100% okay with their line of work.Deihjan
if it were legal then you could go to the police. bold: again, watch the damn video :lol:
Would YOU want to be a prostitute? Would you honestly?Deihjan
absolutely not. but that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't want to be a prostitute.
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You don't know if they were paid by anyone to agree to say that on TV. My sister has been in Thailand and she says the lady-boys and the prostitutes all have no gleam in their eyes, that they have scars on their bodies after attempts of ending their lives. Very, very few who are sex-workers enjoy it, because they get abused by clients or pimps. Not even the women who work legally as prostitutes are 100% okay with their line of work. Would YOU want to be a prostitute? Would you honestly?Deihjan

Wait, so illegal prostitution means attempted suicide and broken spirits, while legal prostitution means "not 100% okay" with their line of work. And this is an argument against legalization because... ?

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#339 ZumaJones07
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So we should help them live decent lives. Letting random freaks have sex with you just because they can afford it is not a part of a decent life.SolidSnake35
your definition of a decent life is just in your head you know that right? it isn't universal and you're selfish in thinking so. [QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] why do you think it's okay to make decisions for people?

Same could be asked to you.

i'm not making decisions for anyone, you are, what are you getting at?
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#340 ShuLordLiuPei
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] why do you think it's okay to make decisions for people?Deihjan
Same could be asked to you.

Are you actually implying that allowing for choice is making a decision for someone, when restricting that choice isn't? :lol:

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#341 SolidSnake35
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your definition of a decent life is just in your head you know that right? it isn't universal and you're selfish in thinking so.ZumaJones07
You might be right. Objective morality might be governed by rationality... and I'm definitely rational. ;)
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#342 ShuLordLiuPei
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Objective moralitySolidSnake35
This is what SolidSnake35 actually believes?

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#343 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Objective moralityShuLordLiuPei

This is what SolidSnake35 actually believes?

I think rationalism is appealing.
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#344 ShuLordLiuPei
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I think rationalism is appealing.SolidSnake35
Westerner living in the West believing that Western philosophy based on Western experiences applies to the universal human experience. How unexpected.

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#345 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I think rationalism is appealing.ShuLordLiuPei

Westerner living in the West believing that Western philosophy based on Western experiences applies to the universal human experience. How unexpected.

Will supporting prostitution make me edgy?
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#346 ShuLordLiuPei
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Will supporting prostitution make me edgy?SolidSnake35
It has nothing to do with being edgy. It has to do with allowing women (and men) the right to have free reign over their sexual rights.

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#347 theone86
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Since when is sex an innate right? All you sex commies are just trying to villify us orgasm creators.

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#348 dragonball3900
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Obviously forced prostitution (human trafficking) is a really bad thing. However, if someone chooses to do something with themselves I see no reason that should be illegal.
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#349 alexside1
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Since when is sex an innate right? All you sex commies are just trying to villify us orgasm creators.

theone86
What?
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#350 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Will supporting prostitution make me edgy?ShuLordLiuPei

It has nothing to do with being edgy. It has to do with allowing women (and men) the right to have free reign over their sexual rights.

The freedom to degrade yourself is not worth having. Too many people on here argue for these so called freedoms and it's sad.