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#1 N64DD
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/us/ferguson-protests/index.html

here we go...again...

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#2 YearoftheSnake5
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*sigh*

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#3 Archangel3371
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It sounds like these people were just thugs using the protest as a means to cause trouble so I doubt anything will come from this.

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#4  Edited By Riverwolf007
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A gun battle with 50 rounds popped off at a blm protest is just comedy at this point.

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#5 N64DD
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@Riverwolf007 said:

A gun battle with 50 rounds popped off at a blm protest is just comedy at this point.

It has turned into a violent joke.

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#6 Flubbbs
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dey dindu nuffin'

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#7  Edited By Hood_Honky
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Lmao black people kill each other way more than any white man.

White people die more by cops than black ppl.

Crime is higher among black people. that's fact. Period.

If you run around and chant black lives .matter, you're are a racist.

I'll love to link a few fb post where people are supporting a cop killer. From starting a go fund me type page to "support" his family, to selling t-shirts that says "we want a fair trale"(trial) to recently a fish fry where they are "salen" fish to cover lawyer cost, I forgot to mention that they were asking those with food stamps to pitch in.....brought to you by none other than Memphis folk.

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#8 foxhound_fox
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Let's remember what we believe to be an unlawful shooting of a community member with more shooting!

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#9 EpicSwine
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I love the fact that people are trying to answer violence with more violence. Has no one learned anything from the past?

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#10 SamusBeliskner
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Gee, maybe if they all just had guns, then they would be a peaceful society. Isn't that the argument from the gun stupids? Well, here you go. they all have guns and it has made them more violent. More guns = more gun violence. Always has; always will...

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#11 bmanva
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@samusbeliskner said:

Gee, maybe if they all just had guns, then they would be a peaceful society. Isn't that the argument from the gun stupids? Well, here you go. they all have guns and it has made them more violent. More guns = more gun violence. Always has; always will...


More like wrong as always

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#12 Riverwolf007
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@samusbeliskner: the gunman was engaged and brought down by armed police so yes in this instance peace came from the barrel of a gun.

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#13 redrichard
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That's culture for you.

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#14 Riverwolf007
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Lulz.

Three shootings and a riot starring ted danson and steve gutenberg.

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#15  Edited By bmanva
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@redrichard said:

That's culture for you.

What culture? Inner city culture? Youth culture? Black culture?

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#16 redrichard
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@bmanva said:
@redrichard said:

That's culture for you.

What culture? Inner city culture? Youth culture? Black culture?

All culture.

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#17  Edited By Master_Live
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#blacklivesmatter

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#18  Edited By Master_Live
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It could get tense tonight, CNN and MSNBC better be on standby.

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#20 N64DD
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@magicalclick said:

@samusbeliskner:

And naive anti-gun people would associate gun with crime rate, while completely ignoring the population are both too lazy to study in school and too lazy to do hard labor.

Without legal gun, it will just go under overpriced gangster illegal merchandise, same as marijuana. The same people who complains about war on drug will say exact same thing toward war on guns.

The reality is the population are just too damn lazy and resort to join overpriced illegal market to cash grab. It will never change when the population are too lazy to work.

He's just a troll, don't get baited.

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#21  Edited By Riverwolf007
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@Master_Live: i just read on nbc that they declared a state of emergency in the city a short time ago so you may be right.

I'm on my phone and can't link it

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#22 N64DD
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@Riverwolf007 said:

@Master_Live: i just read on nbc that they declared a state of emergency in the city a short time ago so you may be right.

I'm on my phone and can't link it

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/us/ferguson-protests/index.html

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#26 lostrib
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well this is bad

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#27 bmanva
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@samusbeliskner:

I don't want to rehash the debate on the inaccuracy of those figures, plus it's completely irrelevant since you didn't mention gun owners or homes with guns, just guns. As you plainly put it:

@samusbeliskner said:

More guns = more gun violence. Always has; always will...

And as I plainly demonstrated that particular statement is patently wrong.

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#28 plageus900
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Obligatory.

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#29 SamusBeliskner
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@bmanva said:

@samusbeliskner:

I don't want to rehash the debate on the inaccuracy of those figures, plus it's completely irrelevant since you didn't mention gun owners or homes with guns, just guns. As you plainly put it:

@samusbeliskner said:

More guns = more gun violence. Always has; always will...

And as I plainly demonstrated that particular statement is patently wrong.

Uh......you're the one mentioning only guns, the total number of privately owned guns, that is.

We also know from more than 100 countries with strict gun laws that more guns means more gun violence. The rapid decline in both gun violence and gun ownership in our own country the past 20 years also demonstrates this.

There is no point in mincing words or denying reality. Fewer guns means less crime. This conclusion is inescapable. The gun stupids' denial of reality will never change that.

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#30  Edited By speedfreak48t5p
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The Blacklivesmatter movement is a complete joke and has become nothing more than a bunch of racist thugs trying to kill cops.

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#31 N64DD
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

The Blacklivesmatter movement is a complete joke and has become nothing more than a bunch of racist thugs trying to kill cops.

Pretty much.

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#32 deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

The Blacklivesmatter movement is a complete joke and has become nothing more than a bunch of racist thugs trying to kill cops.

Yep.

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@plageus900 said:

Obligatory.

Do you think he knows how to give directions on where to find "soon?"

Watching these people support a criminal is bad comedy. I'm not even sure what else to say but I can't do anything besides laughing when the BLM b.s. is spewed.

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@Master_Live said:

#blacklivesmatter

I hate this slogan, all lives matter!

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#35 DrSpoon
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@samusbeliskner: Plus its information from 2007 and without a source, anyone can use Excel...

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#37 EPICCOMMANDER
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@Solaryellow said:
@plageus900 said:

Obligatory.

Do you think he knows how to give directions on where to find "soon?"

lol.

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#38 xdude85
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Ferguson can burn to the ground for all I care, **** that place.

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#39  Edited By bmanva
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@drspoon said:

@samusbeliskner: Plus its information from 2007 and without a source, anyone can use Excel...

But he posted a source for more guns = more gun violence? Anyone can regurgitate politically charged slogans.

Also source:

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#42 redrichard
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@bmanva said:
@drspoon said:

@samusbeliskner: Plus its information from 2007 and without a source, anyone can use Excel...

But he posted a source for more guns = more gun violence? Anyone can regurgitate politically charged slogans.

Also source:

Interesting how the graph coincides with the crack epidemic in America during late eighties and early nineties.

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#43  Edited By brimmul777
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Another occurrence in small/big town U.S.A.

Please move back folks.Nothing to see here,nothing to see.

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#44 battlefront23
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OT, OT, OT, I don't know how I feel about lot of these comments.

It is not necessarily off base by any means, but it seems insensitive and privileged to make comments from a place of opportunity and intelligence so aggressively.

Is violence ever truly called for? That's an ethical question, but I'd daresay no.

And yet, is systemic racism a major facet of American culture even now? Absolutely.

Working firsthand in these communities, though off on the west coast, I assure you the desperation and despair looms over this group in a way I feel so blessed to not know. And I do what I can to amend that looming sensibility.

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MLK rolling in his grave.

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#46  Edited By Riverwolf007
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@battlefront23: I have had norhing but sympathy for the black community for decades and what it has resulted in is my friends and family being jumped by mobs and victimized by black on white crimes. if commentary by this community is anything to go by everyone else is as sick of this idiocy as I am. The narrative of relentless white racism has become a joke and this is the fallout.

Even in this exact story the eyewitnesses claimed the shooter was unarmed. People are just about done buying storys that obviously do not add up.

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#47 Chrypt22
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@battlefront23 said:

OT, OT, OT, I don't know how I feel about lot of these comments.

It is not necessarily off base by any means, but it seems insensitive and privileged to make comments from a place of opportunity and intelligence so aggressively.

Is violence ever truly called for? That's an ethical question, but I'd daresay no.

And yet, is systemic racism a major facet of American culture even now? Absolutely.

Working firsthand in these communities, though off on the west coast, I assure you the desperation and despair looms over this group in a way I feel so blessed to not know. And I do what I can to amend that looming sensibility.

I have to disagree with much of what you say. Certainly there are poor people and those who are less affluent all over the world, its not just an American issue. The reality is that, for right or wrong, that will always be the case and for different reasons.

There is a line though off thinking your are a victim, and a lot of it is a mob mentality and a lot of it is media driven. The media does not want this to go away, they are going to spin it in one direction or the other to fuel the fire so they get ratings and can sell more advertising. Yeah, its that simple.

As far as is violence ever called for?? Really? If someone invaded your home would you not use violence to protect yourself? Certainly that would be a personal choice, but not one of higher moral grounds. Being someone who has had this happen, I can say for certain that unless you are in that exact situation choosing between using violence and protecting your family I certainly hope you would have the sensibility and responsibility to do what was needed.

As far as their communities are concerned, the culture of dependency is what hinders a lot of the change that is needed. I am by no means saying cut people off and have them fend for themselves. However, by simply giving money to people does nothing but perpetuate the cycle. Not only that if they are so sick of cops trying to uphold the law then they need to take control over their community rather than point the finger. Its the single most problem in the modern era... everyone is pointing the finger at someone else, whether its the rich, educated, whites, blacks... never their own fault.

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#48  Edited By battlefront23
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@Chrypt22: @Riverwolf007:

I think we need to look to the past though to understand the present. On a systemic whole, these communities, eerily overnight in a lot of cases, had major influential figures disappear. In that vacuum of a lack of leadership and direction, the crime element dominated.

I will never excuse criminal activity. That is not what my post was meant to convey. All I intended to convey was that having such harsh comments about an ENTIRE community based on the actions of a few of the members who got press coverage is hardly fair. Cynically denouncing the actions of a few and casting blame on the whole is conducive to nothing but a continued alienation and separation from the marginalized group. We may disagree on the level of marginalization, but at the end of the day, a lot of what you said yourself was culture HIGHLY influenced by a then (and still) primarily white government.

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#50 N64DD
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@battlefront23 said:

@Chrypt22: @Riverwolf007:

I think we need to look to the past though to understand the present. On a systemic whole, these communities, eerily overnight in a lot of cases, had major influential figures disappear. In that vacuum of a lack of leadership and direction, the crime element dominated.

I will never excuse criminal activity. That is not what my post was meant to convey. All I intended to convey was that having such harsh comments about an ENTIRE community based on the actions of a few of the members who got press coverage is hardly fair. Cynically denouncing the actions of a few and casting blame on the whole is conducive to nothing but a continued alienation and separation from the marginalized group. We may disagree on the level of marginalization, but at the end of the day, a lot of what you said yourself was culture HIGHLY influenced by a then (and still) primarily white government.

I blame the people out their doing stupid shit. Not the whole town. Responsibility for your own actions used to be a thing, but for some reason people point the finger every other direction. It's not a "few bad apples" either, there were a lot of people there. I feel sorry the people of that city that want nothing to do with this and have had to suffer because of ignorance. White privelge, #blacklivesmatter, all this bullshit needs to go away and deal with people are acting like animals out there.