[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="tzar3"] [QUOTE="_Marisa_"]By the looks of the polls, there are going to be a lot of messed up children in the future._Marisa_
Not all of them grow up to be psychotic abusers, hitting kids is normal for some familes. Its just discipline, unless you enjoy hitting kids. I used to be smacked around everytimes I did something bad when I was younger and learned to accept it.
Normal for family but only due to tradition.
It's not discipline. Physical pain on a child is horrible for childhood development.
Statistics seem to prove you wrong. Child abuse is bad. Being spanked is not. over half this country was disciplining their children in such a manner years ago, and the vast majority turned out fine, that's why this country isnt in chaos right now. I got spanked, and look at me. Havent broken a single law, good kid, plenty of friends, great grades, and i'll be shipping off to basic for the USAF soon. Speaking of which, many of the guys i know in the military were spanked at some point in there lives.
Actually, more people have deeper issues then you realize.
Statistics don't prove me wrong.
My mother is a research scientist for developmental psychology and research methodology.
She's got her Ph.D in this stuff.
A child at a young age can't comprehend rules, and therefor, when you "dicipline" them, it can be very confusing.
Spanking a child also sends mixed signals that in order to get someone to listen to you, inflict pain.
Righhht, Ph. D in child rearing. Look, i was never confused. I got spanked, my parents made it clear why they spanked me. Pretty simple stuff. It's obvious you havent grown up in a family that spanks, furthermore spanking is generally limited to male's at older ages. Most of the people i know have been spanked as a child, and none of them are mentally disturbed. Hell, i'd wager atleast half of this country has been physically disciplined. It's generally children who are not spanked and thus allowed to get away with crap that end up being law-breakers, disobediant, underage drinkers, etc. etc.
Tell me to go to my room? What's going to make me listen? I remember when i was a child. You couldnt reason with me. I was very resistent. Unplug my TV, i plug it back in, take my TV out, i bring it back in, ground me, i ignore you. Reward me for good things isnt going to stop me from doing bad. I'll do the bad and then *also* do the good for whatever reward. Spanking kept me in line as a child, it shut me up and got me to listen to my dad when he explained things. It made me *obey* and become *obedient* and as i grew older i was began to understand why and my father always explained things. I imagine most parents who spank do (we arent talking about abusive parents here).
There's the ideal world, and then there's the real world. In the real world, sometimes kids dont shut up until you hit them on the ass.
Your assumptions make me laugh.
And yes, a Ph.D in child development and research methodolgy. Meaning, she's a research scientist on things like these.
Maybe you should try not assuming so quickly next time because I was spanked growing up.
I wasn't saying everyone turns out messed up, the reason for that is positives - which is what stops someone from becoming a murderer.
I'm pretty sure someone with many years of college and research on the issue would know a little more about it then some kid with likely zero education on the issue.
People just love to cling to their traditions. :roll:
So, i'm a kid, and i have zero education, nice. You just made assumptions yourself i see, very nice. No, your wrong, actually. 20. Kids can't join the military. And i do have education, 2 years at college, Psych 101, 201, 202, 203, Human Development, and several other ****s that cover the development of the human brain/conciousness and child development. Of course i didnt major it in, but i certainly have education in the area. So, your assumptions fall flat. And, we would not be "Clinging to our traditions" if they did not work. However, liberals are always looking for an excuse to change something and toss away traditions to seem "Progressive".
I'd really like you to explain to us all, why the *VAST* majority of people who have been spanked have grown up to be productive members of society, and only rare cases have had kids grown up disturbed, and generally they are in abusive families that involve far, far more than spanking.
2 years college =/= a Ph.D in research and human deveolopement.
Can you not read? Did I not say there are positives in which aid someone in growing to be a contributing member of society?
You clearly don't understand how the brain of a child works.
People don't cling to their traditions if they don't work? Ummm, what? Have you not heard of religion?
Do you even have children? Do you even have parental experience?Did you forget the spot where you said i had *zero* education? You must be flustered, your argument is becoming flustered. How do i not understand how the brian of a child works? Please, provide a source then that clearly links child spanking to negative effects during child development. I sure didnt find anything conclusive in that direction during a quick google, and my education sure disagree's with you.
And are you making an attack on religion? Can you provide an example of how society would be without religion, and thus clearly indicate that you assumption that religion is wrong is correct?
Please, spouting out these random arguments and insults are doing nothing, you need to clearly define your point and back up your statements or sit down. We all have seen the statistics, as they are glaringly apparent. Many people get spanked, and many get grow up just fine. Are you going to provide us with a valid, backed up reason as to why you think that the results are simply coincidental and that we are all, infact, disadvantaged because we were spanked?
Wow, you clearly can not read very well. I've stated twice already why they don't come out messed up and you fail to recognize it.
Two years of education is not even close to enough time in understanding the working brain of a child.
My sources come from a graduate book on the subject from graduate school, if I had your address, I'd mail you a copy.
And yes, I am making an attack on religion and it's negative influence on society.
As I said, two years of college and likely no experience in having a child yourself, makes you about as smart as a chimpanzee on the subject.
Furthermore, I refuse to go back and forth with someone who uses Google and the Internet as his source of knowledge. If you knew ANYTHING about research, you would know that you can't simply click a link and get an answer.
A debate on such a complicated subject simply cannot take place with someone who doesn't know how to get accurate information.
You're basing your defense on what you THINK instead of what you KNOW. You do not KNOW what percentage of humans are mentally ill, you do not KNOW the direct effects of physical discipline, You do not KNOW the positives that counter negatives as a child - which aids them against being a narcissist, you do not KNOW how the child brain works, you do not KNOW how to raise or discipline a child, you do not KNOW how chemical reactions in the human brain work based on their environment...
So, therefor, I KNOW I will discontinue this conversation until you decide to do some research and come back with some KNOWledge.Oh really? If you were so good in college research, you would know every book has internet excerpts, and ALL Scientific Research documents and studies are released on the internet. Hell, if you have an ebsco host account, that's a quick ride to any peer-reviewed article. Please, you could easily CITE SOME SOURCES to your claims. Saying "All of the internet = bad" is a very ignorant view. You are assuming i know nothing. You are being very arrogant, ignorant, even somewhat pedantic. Get off your high horse and present us with an actual factual link or sit down and shut up because there's nothing to debate here.
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