Should guns be banned in the United States?
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Sure, banning guns is against the Constitution and it's a violation of peoples' rights. But realistically, banning guns will stop a lot of crime. I think it's a good idea.goth_bacon
It will not stop a lot of crime. That assumption is false.
[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Sure, banning guns is against the Constitution and it's a violation of peoples' rights. But realistically, banning guns will stop a lot of crime. I think it's a good idea.The_Mac_Daddy
It will not stop a lot of crime. That assumption is false.
the assumption that more violence will stop crimes is also false.
Yes i think they should have guns banned
except for military and justicial uses
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Sure, banning guns is against the Constitution and it's a violation of peoples' rights. But realistically, banning guns will stop a lot of crime. I think it's a good idea.hurley_house
It will not stop a lot of crime. That assumption is false.
the assumption that more violence will stop crimes is also false.
Nobody is assuming that. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. My point is simply that criminals will get guns no matter what, so a gun ban will not stop crime in the least. My point is also that a gun ban will keep guns out of honest citizens hands who only want to protect themselves, their family and their property.
I already showed that in the UK, gun crime is on the rise, even with a gun ban. Not to mention the UK has a higher crime rate than the U.S. Your argument = fail.
[QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]You can't ruin the rights and privlages of law abiding citizens because a small number of dumb ***** act irresponsible. The LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WITH FIREARMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. The problem is the criminals who get guns, and if they are banned, the will get them illegally anyway. So now what you have done is absoluetly nothing at all.. the bad guys are still getting their guns. But, what you have done is taken guns out of the hands of the people WHO ARE NOT CAUSING THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
If guns are banned, look for an increase of rape and all violent crime, muggings, burglaries, etc. Burglars and rapists won't be as hesitant to attack because they know a normal citizen will most likely not have a gun. Also look for an increase in illegal arms dealing on the black market.
Also, if you look at the statistics, the UK has an upward trend of firearm offenses. Yet guns are still illegal there. The ban there is not really stopping people who want to get a gun. The problem in the U.S. isn't that our nation is trigger happy, we are just more violent than other nations of similar status. The U.S. has one of the highest violent crime rate against persons.. with guns taken out of the equation. It's not the guns, it's the citizens. Ever heard the saying "Guns don't kill, people do"?
The_Mac_Daddy
That's stupid. You cannot prevent EVERYTHING. The majority of gun crime.. actually, the overwhelming majority is done by existing criminals. A very very small percentage of gun crime is first time offenders.
And not having to use your gun isn't the point. It's having the freedom to be able to protect yourself INCASE something happens. Also, it acts as a great deterant to would be criminals. People think twice before committing a crime, because they never know who is armed.
it's obviously not a very effective deterant...
How many murders do you hear of happen to everyday citizens on the street? not many. It's usually done in retaliation, drug deals, domestic disputes, etc.
Other gun crime such as armed robbery will still happen with a ban.. perhaps even more because they see a lower risk. Citizens will be unarmed, business owners will be unarmed.
I often hear of people protecting their property with their firearms. Not to mention, people who own a gun have a better sense of security in their own homes.. because they feel if someone does try to break in or harm them, they will have a way to defend themselves.
I've heard of people "protecting their property" by shooting people in the back when they try and run away. Anywhere else in the world that would be called murder, regardless of what the other guy was doing beforehand.If people need a gun under their bed to feel safe in their own home its a rather poor reflection of your society, don't you think?
exactly we here in britain and other countries alow the AUTHORITIES being the police to cactch these people and they do a fuc***g good job at it hence crime rates also being lower in other countries compared to america.
Actually, crime rates in britain are HIGHER than here in America.. sorry to burst your bubble. Violent crime is higher here in America, but overall crime rates are higher in Britain. Look it up, son.
Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
[QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
LJS9502_basic
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]You can't ruin the rights and privlages of law abiding citizens because a small number of dumb ***** act irresponsible. The LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WITH FIREARMS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. The problem is the criminals who get guns, and if they are banned, the will get them illegally anyway. So now what you have done is absoluetly nothing at all.. the bad guys are still getting their guns. But, what you have done is taken guns out of the hands of the people WHO ARE NOT CAUSING THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
If guns are banned, look for an increase of rape and all violent crime, muggings, burglaries, etc. Burglars and rapists won't be as hesitant to attack because they know a normal citizen will most likely not have a gun. Also look for an increase in illegal arms dealing on the black market.
Also, if you look at the statistics, the UK has an upward trend of firearm offenses. Yet guns are still illegal there. The ban there is not really stopping people who want to get a gun. The problem in the U.S. isn't that our nation is trigger happy, we are just more violent than other nations of similar status. The U.S. has one of the highest violent crime rate against persons.. with guns taken out of the equation. It's not the guns, it's the citizens. Ever heard the saying "Guns don't kill, people do"?
hurley_house
That's stupid. You cannot prevent EVERYTHING. The majority of gun crime.. actually, the overwhelming majority is done by existing criminals. A very very small percentage of gun crime is first time offenders.
And not having to use your gun isn't the point. It's having the freedom to be able to protect yourself INCASE something happens. Also, it acts as a great deterant to would be criminals. People think twice before committing a crime, because they never know who is armed.
it's obviously not a very effective deterant...
How many murders do you hear of happen to everyday citizens on the street? not many. It's usually done in retaliation, drug deals, domestic disputes, etc.
Other gun crime such as armed robbery will still happen with a ban.. perhaps even more because they see a lower risk. Citizens will be unarmed, business owners will be unarmed.
I often hear of people protecting their property with their firearms. Not to mention, people who own a gun have a better sense of security in their own homes.. because they feel if someone does try to break in or harm them, they will have a way to defend themselves.
I've heard of people "protecting their property" by shooting people in the back when they try and run away. Anywhere else in the world that would be called murder, regardless of what the other guy was doing beforehand.If people need a gun under their bed to feel safe in their own home its a rather poor reflection of your society, don't you think?
exactly we here in britain and other countries alow the AUTHORITIES being the police to cactch these people and they do a fuc***g good job at it hence crime rates also being lower in other countries compared to america.
Actually, crime rates in britain are HIGHER than here in America.. sorry to burst your bubble. Violent crime is higher here in America, but overall crime rates are higher in Britain. Look it up, son.
Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
You obviously just don't like America for some reason. I can tell by the sarcastic remark about the worlds only super power. Nobody NEEDS to carry a gun here. I don't NEED to. I've never had to use it. It's just the freedom to be able to have one. Most people have never had to use their guns.
Nobody here lives in fear that some everyday joe is going to come shoot me. People rarely get shot outside of bad areas. And even people who get shot there, it's not random violence. It's usually drug deals, retaliation, gangs, etc.
Stop ignoring the fact that Britain has a higher crime rate than America. Not to mention, London has a high assault rate by the use of knives.
That funny because, like you in London, I can sit here in Oakland, Richmond, San Francisco, and other places with a lot of violent crime and not get shot. And I do. I have lived in or near some rough areas and have never seen a gun pulled on someone or had a gun pulled on me.
People from outside the US think that gun crime is such a huge issue but it really isnt. While our gun crimes are high, people fail to see that gun crime is centralized.
Its a faulty statistic. I dont know what the exact stat is but lets say that 100k people a year die from gun-related incidents. What people fail to take into account is that 80k of those incidents occur in maybe 20 run-down, ghetto areas. And then 10k are heat of the moment murders (murders that will be performed, gun or not, imo), and then maybe 10k are accidental shootings.
The fact is most people in the US go their entire lives not being a victim of, let alone seeing, a gun crime. As for accidents, well, those happen.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
Lol ... he called him a noob :roll:
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
You haven't proven anything.In fact...I've just disproven your opinion.:roll:
[QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
Whight_Knight
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
Lol ... he called him a noob :roll:
He has no idea....
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
You obviously just don't like America for some reason. I can tell by the sarcastic remark about the worlds only super power. Nobody NEEDS to carry a gun here. I don't NEED to. I've never had to use it. It's just the freedom to be able to have one. Most people have never had to use their guns.
Nobody here lives in fear that some everyday joe is going to come shoot me. People rarely get shot outside of bad areas. And even people who get shot there, it's not random violence. It's usually drug deals, retaliation, gangs, etc.
Stop ignoring the fact that Britain has a higher crime rate than America. Not to mention, London has a high assault rate by the use of knives.
meh i cant say im the biggest fan of america but i kind of get the point that in undeveloped countries guns are needed as there are alot of theft crimes and one needs to protect there family and property but i guess i dont expect that to be the case in the most developed country in the world. i expect the government to be smart enough to take the guns out of peoples hands as obviously if your every day joe can get a gun he can use it against another person simple as and most criminals are your every day joe that think they can make some cash by robbing a house with theyre newly bought gun.
[QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
The_Mac_Daddy
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
hurley_house
You obviously just don't like America for some reason. I can tell by the sarcastic remark about the worlds only super power. Nobody NEEDS to carry a gun here. I don't NEED to. I've never had to use it. It's just the freedom to be able to have one. Most people have never had to use their guns.
Nobody here lives in fear that some everyday joe is going to come shoot me. People rarely get shot outside of bad areas. And even people who get shot there, it's not random violence. It's usually drug deals, retaliation, gangs, etc.
Stop ignoring the fact that Britain has a higher crime rate than America. Not to mention, London has a high assault rate by the use of knives.
meh i cant say im the biggest fan of america but i kind of get the point that in undeveloped countries guns are needed as there are alot of theft crimes and one needs to protect there family and property but i guess i dont expect that to be the case in the most developed country in the world. i expect the government to be smart enough to take the guns out of peoples hands as obviously if your every day joe can get a gun he can use it against another person simple as and most criminals are your every day joe that think they can make some cash by robbing a house with theyre newly bought gun.
This is what you fail to comprehend. Criminals are not your every day joe. They are criminals. They have long histories with the law. Also, the gun crime is pretty centralized and highly concentrated to certian small areas.
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
Ok. Now you fail to grasp the concept of the black market.. where criminals get their firearms anyway. Criminals here are not allowed to purchase a gun legally. So the point is, weather or not guns are legal here, they will get their guns anyway.
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
You know you're not too disimilar to a guy we had on here last night ... you sound a lot like him.
You know you're not too disimilar to a guy we had on here last night ... you sound a lot like him.
Whight_Knight
The anti west dude?
[QUOTE="Whight_Knight"]You know you're not too disimilar to a guy we had on here last night ... you sound a lot like him.
LJS9502_basic
The anti west dude?
Yep that guy , he was one of the worst I've ever seen on the forum :?
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Hickamie14"]Yes I do, because it is so important that we keep the bill of rights in-tact. Hickamie14
That's not what you're saying at all. You're just going to extremes and saying "Well we should just go live under a dictatorship!"
That's not an arguement at all. That's just epic exaggeration. How is suggesting that something needs to be done to stop gun crime any where near saying we should scrap the bill of rights and regress into dictatorship? How is that a reasonable arguement?
This is a very important ammendment, if we lose this one then what's next? Soon freedom after freedom will fall. Look at it right now in the U.S with Christmas being ripped into, Easter following suit, and all these other religous holidays being taken away, even if their is a display outside on church property a big hooplah is made about it. We need to keep this one, because others might follow, and before you know it, we lose our freedom. I know this is extreme, but I believe that this could create a massive ripple affect that will lead to the end of U.S freedom eventually. By the way, where do you live? And also of course I think the U.S is better then other countries, I live here, and I love all the principals that it has, so sorry if I disrespected anyone else's country.What? :? What "freedoms" will follow? Why are you losing freedom? You're saying that stopping gun crime will lead to what, removing people's right to vote? How? Why? What's the logic behind that?
Face it; allowing people to just buy a deadly weapon doesn't make sense. It causes people far more harm than it does good. It needs to be stopped. How that means that we're tearing up the bill of rights and turning america into nazi germany is beyond me.
Also; i live in the UK. I'm very happy with it. I wouldn't move elsewhere. Would i tell other people that my country is "better" than their's? Not at all. That's the very foundation of racism; the belief that you are somehow better than someone else by default, because of your nationality or race.
[QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
The_Mac_Daddy
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
Ok. Now you fail to grasp the concept of the black market.. where criminals get their firearms anyway. Criminals here are not allowed to purchase a gun legally. So the point is, weather or not guns are legal here, they will get their guns anyway.
u fail to grasp the concept that selling guns to every1 will only increase crime and the amount of shoot outs and cost lives of innocent people.
What? :? What "freedoms" will follow? Why are you losing freedom? You're saying that stopping gun crime will lead to what, removing people's right to vote? How? Why? What's the logic behind that?
Face it; allowing people to just buy a deadly weapon doesn't make sense. It causes people far more harm than it does good. It needs to be stopped. How that means that we're tearing up the bill of rights and turning america into nazi germany is beyond me.
Also; i live in the UK. I'm very happy with it. I wouldn't move elsewhere. Would i tell other people that my country is "better" than their's? Not at all. That's the very foundation of racism; the belief that you are somehow better than someone else by default, because of your nationality or race.
Ninja-Hippo
Take smoking bans for example. First they were banned in bars, then restaraunts and now you can't smoke in most public places. It's a ripple effect...where does it stop?
The exact same thing can and probably will happen with gun regulations.
:lol: at the guy saying london is free of gun crime. Crime in london has done nothing but increase for the past five years because the city is getting too big for it's own good.Ninja-Hippoi meant lesss anyways forget this its one endless cycle of opinions of people that do not agree with each other and keep restating the same views as clearly every1 here is to stuborn to open there mind to better there views.
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
hurley_house
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
Ok. Now you fail to grasp the concept of the black market.. where criminals get their firearms anyway. Criminals here are not allowed to purchase a gun legally. So the point is, weather or not guns are legal here, they will get their guns anyway.
u fail to grasp the concept that selling guns to every1 will only increase crime and the amount of shoot outs and cost lives of innocent people.
No, it will not. There is some country.. I believe it might be Switzerland (correct me if I'm wrong), that every citizen is required to have a gun.. or they are all issued a gun. That country has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.
Guns are not sold to everyone here. Background checks are done, registration of the weapon is done, etc. It's not just like everybody can go in and pick out a gun, put down two hundred bucks and walk out of the store.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]:lol: at the guy saying london is free of gun crime. Crime in london has done nothing but increase for the past five years because the city is getting too big for it's own good.hurley_housei meant lesss anyways forget this its one endless cycle of opinions of people that do not agree with each other and keep restating the same views as clearly every1 here is to stuborn to open there mind to better there views.
No offense but at least the other opinions are informed ones. You seemed to just make stuff up. :? And then top it off with unnecessay anti-america comments.
[QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
The_Mac_Daddy
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
Ok. Now you fail to grasp the concept of the black market.. where criminals get their firearms anyway. Criminals here are not allowed to purchase a gun legally. So the point is, weather or not guns are legal here, they will get their guns anyway.
u fail to grasp the concept that selling guns to every1 will only increase crime and the amount of shoot outs and cost lives of innocent people.
No, it will not. There is some country.. I believe it might be Switzerland (correct me if I'm wrong), that every citizen is required to have a gun.. or they are all issued a gun. That country has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.
Guns are not sold to everyone here. Background checks are done, registration of the weapon is done, etc. It's not just like everybody can go in and pick out a gun, put down two hundred bucks and walk out of the store.
Pretty confident you're not forced to own a gun anywhere.
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="hurley_house"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hurley_house"]Son the fact here is this i can sit here in london an have been going about my business all my life without ever feeling or geting threatend by a armd gunman hence i dont feel the need to cary a gun on myself to protect myself whereas you feel you need a gun in your everday life because you live in constant fear that some armed criminal/everday joe is gona come and try to shoot you. realy shows how great the only world super power is dosent it.
james28893
And sitting in London all your life means zero experience with that goes on in the US. FYI...a large segment of the population does NOT own a gun. They don't feel the need nor live in constant fear. Such propaganda.:roll:
Hence proving the point that scince no-one is allowed to own a gun theres little to none gun crime u noob :|
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/594594/posts
"London gun crime up 90%."
"At least 2 people a day now robbed at gunpoint in London".
Armed police will patrol parts of south London following five murders, including the shooting of three teenagers, in less than two weeks, Scotland Yard said today.
Gun crime in London is increasing so rapidly that police fear they may not have the resources to cope, the BBC has learned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
Yeah... sounds like that gun ban is doing wonders.
sooo we sell the citezens guns so they can shoot have shoot outs in the middle of the street GENIUS !
Ok. Now you fail to grasp the concept of the black market.. where criminals get their firearms anyway. Criminals here are not allowed to purchase a gun legally. So the point is, weather or not guns are legal here, they will get their guns anyway.
u fail to grasp the concept that selling guns to every1 will only increase crime and the amount of shoot outs and cost lives of innocent people.
No, it will not. There is some country.. I believe it might be Switzerland (correct me if I'm wrong), that every citizen is required to have a gun.. or they are all issued a gun. That country has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.
Guns are not sold to everyone here. Background checks are done, registration of the weapon is done, etc. It's not just like everybody can go in and pick out a gun, put down two hundred bucks and walk out of the store.
Pretty confident you're not forced to own a gun anywhere.
I first said that.. but then I changed it and said or everybody is issued a gun.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What? :? What "freedoms" will follow? Why are you losing freedom? You're saying that stopping gun crime will lead to what, removing people's right to vote? How? Why? What's the logic behind that?
Face it; allowing people to just buy a deadly weapon doesn't make sense. It causes people far more harm than it does good. It needs to be stopped. How that means that we're tearing up the bill of rights and turning america into nazi germany is beyond me.
Also; i live in the UK. I'm very happy with it. I wouldn't move elsewhere. Would i tell other people that my country is "better" than their's? Not at all. That's the very foundation of racism; the belief that you are somehow better than someone else by default, because of your nationality or race.
ImaPirate0202
Take smoking bans for example. First they were banned in bars, then restaraunts and now you can't smoke in most public places. It's a ripple effect...where does it stop?
The exact same thing can and probably will happen with gun regulations.
No, that really doesn't make any sense at all. You're saying that they're going to start with banning guns; and then move on to taking away your rights until you have none left? :|
Banning smoking isn't the same thing at all. It's antisocial and harmful to other people's health. So stop it. Buying guns is resulting in far too many people being shot and killed; so stop it.
Your right to free speech, right to vote etc etc have nothing to do with this at all. I find the idea of "they're taking away our freedom!" incredibly flimsy in relation to this. Nobody is taking away your freedom. It's nothing to do with freedom. If you want to shoot pieces of cardboard/deer you're still allowed to do it. You just need a proper license and a controlled area to do it in.
Stopping the average joe just buying himself a pistol is a noble endeavour which will do nothing but good for society. The only arguement people seem to have against it is "criminals will just get them any way". Well - what about everyone else? What about the guy who catches his wife cheating, reaches for his gun and does something he'll forever regret? The guy who gets drunk, gets into a fight, and pulls a gun on someone?
It'd save lives, so do it. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't bother trying.
Ok, I found this about Switzerland:
The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
And this proves my point about criminals using illegal guns to kill innocent people:
The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordinance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[
Ok what if someone breaks into my house at night, and they have a gun which they acquired illegally. Since I'm a law abiding citizen and was forced to give up my right to have a gun, how am I going to defend myself and my family? Call the cops and pray that they get there before the burglars shoot us? I guess instead of saying honey get the guns, I would be saying where's the machetes.peaceful_anger
No offense but that's exactly what you should do. :| Call the police and let them catch the criminal and bring him to justice. Allowing people to take the law into their own hands isn't a good thing. Have you seen the YouTube video of the guy who shoots a thief in the leg, walks right up to him and puts another shot in his head while he's lying there on the floor? That's the "defending myself" which you're talking about.
That man would have either got away with petty robbery, or been caught and spent some time in jail for it. Thanks to "defending ourselves" that man is now dead.
I first said that.. but then I changed it and said or everybody is issued a gun.The_Mac_DaddyI also don't think any country issues its citizens guns either, but I could be wrong.
Ok, I found this about Switzerland:
The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
And this proves my point about criminals using illegal guns to kill innocent people:
The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordinance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[
The_Mac_Daddy
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What? :? What "freedoms" will follow? Why are you losing freedom? You're saying that stopping gun crime will lead to what, removing people's right to vote? How? Why? What's the logic behind that?
Face it; allowing people to just buy a deadly weapon doesn't make sense. It causes people far more harm than it does good. It needs to be stopped. How that means that we're tearing up the bill of rights and turning america into nazi germany is beyond me.
Also; i live in the UK. I'm very happy with it. I wouldn't move elsewhere. Would i tell other people that my country is "better" than their's? Not at all. That's the very foundation of racism; the belief that you are somehow better than someone else by default, because of your nationality or race.
Ninja-Hippo
Take smoking bans for example. First they were banned in bars, then restaraunts and now you can't smoke in most public places. It's a ripple effect...where does it stop?
The exact same thing can and probably will happen with gun regulations.
No, that really doesn't make any sense at all. You're saying that they're going to start with banning guns; and then move on to taking away your rights until you have none left? :|
Banning smoking isn't the same thing at all. It's antisocial and harmful to other people's health. So stop it. Buying guns is resulting in far too many people being shot and killed; so stop it.
Your right to free speech, right to vote etc etc have nothing to do with this at all. I find the idea of "they're taking away our freedom!" incredibly flimsy in relation to this. Nobody is taking away your freedom. It's nothing to do with freedom. If you want to shoot pieces of cardboard/deer you're still allowed to do it. You just need a proper license and a controlled area to do it in.
Stopping the average joe just buying himself a pistol is a noble endeavour which will do nothing but good for society. The only arguement people seem to have against it is "criminals will just get them any way". Well - what about everyone else? What about the guy who catches his wife cheating, reaches for his gun and does something he'll forever regret? The guy who gets drunk, gets into a fight, and pulls a gun on someone?
It'd save lives, so do it. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't bother trying.
Murders in domestic disputes with guns are much more rare than a burgler breaking into someone's house. I'd be willing to bet more lives would be saved by allowing people to protect their family with a gun than people killed by guns by their spouse.
[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]Ok what if someone breaks into my house at night, and they have a gun which they acquired illegally. Since I'm a law abiding citizen and was forced to give up my right to have a gun, how am I going to defend myself and my family? Call the cops and pray that they get there before the burglars shoot us? I guess instead of saying honey get the guns, I would be saying where's the machetes.Ninja-Hippo
No offense but that's exactly what you should do. :| Call the police and let them catch the criminal and bring him to justice. Allowing people to take the law into their own hands isn't a good thing. Have you seen the YouTube video of the guy who shoots a thief in the leg, walks right up to him and puts another shot in his head while he's lying there on the floor? That's the "defending myself" which you're talking about.
That man would have either got away with petty robbery, or been caught and spent some time in jail for it. Thanks to "defending ourselves" that man is now dead.
Except that a family can be killed in the time it takes for the cops to get there. There is nothing wrong with having guns for protection. These guns are not used to randomly go out and shoot up the neighborhood.
Ok, I found this about Switzerland:
The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
And this proves my point about criminals using illegal guns to kill innocent people:
The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordinance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[
The_Mac_Daddy
Switzerland is a poor comparison, as crime all-round there is incredibly low as standards of living are so much higher. People are also given mandatory army training after highschool where they are taught how to operate a gun, leading to less ignorance about them and fewer people reaching for their pistol whenever they get into a minor dispute with someone.
I've already said it before, but if the government, or somebody, were to take the time, money, and effort in teaching people about how guns actually work, how they should be used, and how to get them legally(It requires more in most places than simply stepping into a store), and spread awareness about guns, the taboo behind guns would be lifted, and more people could fight more effectively against criminals.
Making it impossible to get guns legally is not going to help. Criminals will always be able to get guns. We should spend the money we would spend on banning and getting rid of guns on tracking and getting rid off the illegal arms trade.
The less illegal trade, the lower the murder rate through guns. People who commit crimes with guns get them illegaly, because registered firearms are actually easy to track and can link a person directly to a murder or crime scene.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What? :? What "freedoms" will follow? Why are you losing freedom? You're saying that stopping gun crime will lead to what, removing people's right to vote? How? Why? What's the logic behind that?
Face it; allowing people to just buy a deadly weapon doesn't make sense. It causes people far more harm than it does good. It needs to be stopped. How that means that we're tearing up the bill of rights and turning america into nazi germany is beyond me.
Also; i live in the UK. I'm very happy with it. I wouldn't move elsewhere. Would i tell other people that my country is "better" than their's? Not at all. That's the very foundation of racism; the belief that you are somehow better than someone else by default, because of your nationality or race.
Ninja-Hippo
Take smoking bans for example. First they were banned in bars, then restaraunts and now you can't smoke in most public places. It's a ripple effect...where does it stop?
The exact same thing can and probably will happen with gun regulations.
No, that really doesn't make any sense at all. You're saying that they're going to start with banning guns; and then move on to taking away your rights until you have none left? :|
Banning smoking isn't the same thing at all. It's antisocial and harmful to other people's health. So stop it. Buying guns is resulting in far too many people being shot and killed; so stop it.
Your right to free speech, right to vote etc etc have nothing to do with this at all. I find the idea of "they're taking away our freedom!" incredibly flimsy in relation to this. Nobody is taking away your freedom. It's nothing to do with freedom. If you want to shoot pieces of cardboard/deer you're still allowed to do it. You just need a proper license and a controlled area to do it in.
Stopping the average joe just buying himself a pistol is a noble endeavour which will do nothing but good for society. The only arguement people seem to have against it is "criminals will just get them any way". Well - what about everyone else? What about the guy who catches his wife cheating, reaches for his gun and does something he'll forever regret? The guy who gets drunk, gets into a fight, and pulls a gun on someone?
It'd save lives, so do it. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't bother trying.
People addicted to nicotine don't just stop buying cigarettes...it's not that simple.
And yes, it makes perfect sense. When they make gun bans they control them or completely eliminate them from being sold. It may start in one area and people continuously find reasons to ban them elsewhere in other states. Like I said, it's a ripple effect. The exact same thing happened with smoking laws.
Ok, I found this about Switzerland:
The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
And this proves my point about criminals using illegal guns to kill innocent people:
The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordinance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[
The_Mac_Daddy
However, Switzerland also has a very low overall crime rate, not very many criminals over there. Guns don't kill people, but give angry people the option to have them and you've got yourself a nasty little incident.
[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Ok, I found this about Switzerland:
The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world.
And this proves my point about criminals using illegal guns to kill innocent people:
The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordinance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[
Ninja-Hippo
Switzerland is a poor comparison, as crime all-round there is incredibly low as standards of living are so much higher. People are also given mandatory army training after highschool where they are taught how to operate a gun, leading to less ignorance about them and fewer people reaching for their pistol whenever they get into a minor dispute with someone.
That's exactly what our government should be doing. Spending money and resources on education about firearms.
The whole country would become a better place.
Except that a family can be killed in the time it takes for the cops to get there. There is nothing wrong with having guns for protection. These guns are not used to randomly go out and shoot up the neighborhood.
LJS9502_basic
Sure they are. :| I realise that criminals get their guns illegally. That doesn't even need pointing out. I think making the sale of guns illegal is being proposed to cut down on high school students buckling under stress or anger and taking a gun to school. To prevent domestic disputes turning ugly. To stop people reaching for their guns when a situation really doesn't require it. Again; see shop owner gunning a man down who was trying to steal $100 to pay his utility bills.
Should he be resorting to theft in the first place? Definately not. Did he deserve to die for it? Heck no. And really; people keep saying that only a few hundred people die due to store-bought guns a year - why on earth are we ok with that? :?
[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]Ok what if someone breaks into my house at night, and they have a gun which they acquired illegally. Since I'm a law abiding citizen and was forced to give up my right to have a gun, how am I going to defend myself and my family? Call the cops and pray that they get there before the burglars shoot us? I guess instead of saying honey get the guns, I would be saying where's the machetes.Ninja-Hippo
No offense but that's exactly what you should do. :| Call the police and let them catch the criminal and bring him to justice. Allowing people to take the law into their own hands isn't a good thing. Have you seen the YouTube video of the guy who shoots a thief in the leg, walks right up to him and puts another shot in his head while he's lying there on the floor? That's the "defending myself" which you're talking about.
That man would have either got away with petty robbery, or been caught and spent some time in jail for it. Thanks to "defending ourselves" that man is now dead.
Criminals know that when they break into someone else's house, they are risking their life. Even though it wasn't right that the guy would put a bullet in the dudes head, let's not forget that the criminal is still the criminal. That wouldn't have happened if he wouldn't have broken in to the guys house.
People addicted to nicotine don't just stop buying cigarettes...it's not that simple.
And yes, it makes perfect sense. When they make gun bans they control them or completely eliminate them from being sold. It may start in one area and people continuously find reasons to ban them elsewhere in other states. Like I said, it's a ripple effect. The exact same thing happened with smoking laws.
ImaPirate0202
I dont understand your point. I'm in favour of guns being banned. What ripple effect are you speaking of? They should be banned outright. Simple.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Except that a family can be killed in the time it takes for the cops to get there. There is nothing wrong with having guns for protection. These guns are not used to randomly go out and shoot up the neighborhood.
Ninja-Hippo
Sure they are. :| I realise that criminals get their guns illegally. That doesn't even need pointing out. I think making the sale of guns illegal is being proposed to cut down on high school students buckling under stress or anger and taking a gun to school. To prevent domestic disputes turning ugly. To stop people reaching for their guns when a situation really doesn't require it. Again; see shop owner gunning a man down who was trying to steal $100 to pay his utility bills.
Should he be resorting to theft in the first place? Definately not. Did he deserve to die for it? Heck no. And really; people keep saying that only a few hundred people die due to store-bought guns a year - why on earth are we ok with that? :?
The kids at Columbine got their guns illegally...
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