Should the U.S. have used nuclear weapons against Japan in World War II ?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Perhaps you need to differentiate a forum debate from personal faith.....just a thought.fartwrangler

Sycophancy doesn't suit himToppledPillars

[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"]Sycophancy doesn't suit himLJS9502_basic

yes, it ended the was quickly

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Perhaps you need to differentiate a forum debate from personal faith.....just a thought.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]The syntactical implication being that the comparison was between troops. Now - on what basis do you value American troops more than Japanese civilians?fartwrangler

I wasn't implying anything.

I value American troops more because I'm an American, and a former troop.

When it comes right down to it, my nation is more important to me than their's.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"]Sycophancy doesn't suit himToppledPillars

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]The syntactical implication being that the comparison was between troops. Now - on what basis do you value American troops more than Japanese civilians?airshocker

I wasn't implying anything.

I value American troops more because I'm an American, and a former troop.

When it comes right down to it, my nation is more important to me than their's.

'Pride, the never failing vice of fools'.

Alexander Pope.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]The syntactical implication being that the comparison was between troops. Now - on what basis do you value American troops more than Japanese civilians?fartwrangler

I wasn't implying anything.

I value American troops more because I'm an American, and a former troop.

When it comes right down to it, my nation is more important to me than their's.

]I'm merely interested into how one can stray so far from the Church's policy and still call themself a Catholic. Next you'll be telling me you're not even a pederast!fartwrangler

[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Apparently it does....and you are?LJS9502_basic

No they shouldn't have, but they did, and here we are today.

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]]I'm merely interested into how one can stray so far from the Church's policy and still call themself a Catholic. Next you'll be telling me you're not even a pederast!LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]]I'm merely interested into how one can stray so far from the Church's policy and still call themself a Catholic. Next you'll be telling me you're not even a pederast!fartwrangler

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not telling you anything personal....sorry to disappoint. But the fact of the matter is you made a generalized statement about ethics. And as we see in the world....and as I pointed out....they ARE subjective. And without a counterpoint you've tried to make this a personal assessment. But it's NOT about me or my beliefs but rather about the world at large. So unless you can provide me that all the world shares the same ethics....then I don't see a point to be made here.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Treflis"]You know, it's okay that your are against the nukes being used and all that, it's also okay if someone thinks it was what had to be done. While you may not like their opinion you should respect theirs. Lashing out like that doesn't contribute to the debate and if you can't debate in a proper and civil manner here then don't post at all.fartwrangler

You don't have to respect him, just post in a respectable manner, or leave. You're no better than he is, why don't you lead by example. Wars are caused by hate.

It is a little ironic that you thought there was no possibility of rational discourse with him, when you effectively closed any rational debate yourself by flaming with vulgarities.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fartwrangler"]What is the relevance to the issue of moral objectivism/subjectivism of whether all the world has the same ethical beliefs?fartwrangler

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fartwrangler"]No. I am under no obligation to respect raving, bigoted fanatics like him. I lashed purely because it had become apparently that he was so irrational and blind that there was no possibility of rational discourse with him.fartwrangler

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"][QUOTE="Treflis"]You know, it's okay that your are against the nukes being used and all that, it's also okay if someone thinks it was what had to be done. While you may not like their opinion you should respect theirs. Lashing out like that doesn't contribute to the debate and if you can't debate in a proper and civil manner here then don't post at all.IAMTHEJOKER88

You don't have to respect him, just post in a respectable manner, or leave. You're no better than he is, why don't you lead by example. Wars are caused by hate.

It is a little ironic that you thought there was no possibility of rational discourse with him, when you effectively closed any rational debate yourself by flaming with vulgarities.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fartwrangler"]What is the relevance to the issue of moral objectivism/subjectivism of whether all the world has the same ethical beliefs?fartwrangler

It is made relevant to you when you start to write as if what you post is fact.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="fartwrangler"]No. I am under no obligation to respect raving, bigoted fanatics like him. I lashed purely because it had become apparently that he was so irrational and blind that there was no possibility of rational discourse with him.fartwrangler

You don't have to respect him, just post in a respectable manner, or leave. You're no better than he is, why don't you lead by example. Wars are caused by hate.

It is a little ironic that you thought there was no possibility of rational discourse with him, when you effectively closed any rational debate yourself by flaming with vulgarities.

Better? How so? Because you think you are right? Is that not the most vain and common view held by man?

Better? How so? Because you think you are right? Is that not the most vain and common view held by man?

IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Just because Einstein was revered as a genius doesn't make everything he says instantaneously correct..he was a pacifist...which would be a mentality that would work if every other nation shared such a mentality...and he is in no way a Xenophobe..i find it amazing how you could tag him as such because he values his fellow Americans..whom he knows...and who are fighting for him to keep his rights and freedoms..and to keep his country free..more then those of the people who would try and destroy it..he is not in any way showing "an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."..fartwrangler

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

Better? How so? Because you think you are right? Is that not the most vain and common view held by man?

LJS9502_basic

Very true.

i think that guy just got banned...?

i think that guy just got banned...?

IAMTHEJOKER88

Au contraire, I'm much better than he is; he's a raving xenophobe, I'm not. I'm better. And if we're going to talk about who causes war, it's nationalistic bigots like him.fartwrangler

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i think that guy just got banned...?

IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

i think that guy just got banned...?

T_P_O

I pity him. There is no greater fool than the one who he thinks he is intelligent but acts in such a way that he is relatively thick.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

i think that guy just got banned...?

IAMTHEJOKER88

I pity him. There is no greater fool than the one who he thinks he is intelligent but acts in such a way that he is relatively thick.

Sure? Things turned out fine.

Yes I saw it justified, B-29 bombers we're hitting Tokyo, and other parts of Japan weeks before the atomic bombs dropped, 80,000 people we're killed in those bombings. These people did not have the intention to surrender, until the two atomic bombs we're dropped. Believe it or not, dropping these atomic weapons saved millions of lifes American and Japanese.

A mainland invasion of Japan, military commander's estimated one million American casulties, and who knows how many Japanese casulties as well. Either way you like it, or not, it had to be done, and put the war at end quickly thereafter.

Yes I saw it justified, B-29 bombers we're hitting Tokyo, and other parts of Japan weeks before the atomic bombs dropped, 80,000 people we're killed in those bombings. These people did not have the intention to surrender, until the two atomic bombs we're dropped. Believe it or not, dropping these atomic weapons saved millions of lifes American and Japanese.

A mainland invasion of Japan, military commander's estimated one million American casulties, and who knows how many Japanese casulties as well. Either way you like it, or not, it had to be done, and put the war at end quickly thereafter.

TF626

Well, we shouldn't have dropped nukes on them, but then again they shouldn't have invaded China or bombed Pearl Harbor, and Germany shouldn't have killed millions of people in concentration camps. Maybe that makes us the least bad of the bad guys?

****ing glitchy quote. :x

"Not a surprise....I think it was an alt account of a banned user."

Sure was.

"I pity him. There is no greater fool than the one who he thinks he is intelligent but acts in such a way that he is relatively thick."

:lol:

[QUOTE="TF626"]

Yes I saw it justified, B-29 bombers we're hitting Tokyo, and other parts of Japan weeks before the atomic bombs dropped, 80,000 people we're killed in those bombings. These people did not have the intention to surrender, until the two atomic bombs we're dropped. Believe it or not, dropping these atomic weapons saved millions of lifes American and Japanese.

A mainland invasion of Japan, military commander's estimated one million American casulties, and who knows how many Japanese casulties as well. Either way you like it, or not, it had to be done, and put the war at end quickly thereafter.

KungfuKitten

The japanese had a policy of "no surrender" to the last man but as soon as the higher ups (emperor) saw that he wan't safe anymore in Jpan mainland he pulled the plug on the whole thing.

And the army surrendered.

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As a side note, Japan lost almost every battle on the pacific against the US. THeir small arms, planes, carriers, battlle ships were all INFERIOR and harder to repair or survive a battle. the Japanes at the end barely had a production of weapons capable of suupplying the war effort

^^ Basically summarizes what the US did to Japan with the the nuclear weapons. 'Nuff said.

Nope.

Well, we shouldn't have dropped nukes on them, but then again they shouldn't have invaded China or bombed Pearl Harbor, and Germany shouldn't have killed millions of people in concentration camps. Maybe that makes us the least bad of the bad guys?

Vaasman

They attacked us, and did many diguesting acts in asia.

No hate towards the Japanese. But they got what the deserved.

They betrayed us, it was war. Your countrie's population is more important then the enemies. Why let Americans die, when we could end it right there?

Ivasion would have cost WAY more lives.

****ing glitchy quote. :x

"Not a surprise....I think it was an alt account of a banned user."

Sure was.

"I pity him. There is no greater fool than the one who he thinks he is intelligent but acts in such a way that he is relatively thick."

:lol:

Guppy507

^^ Basically summarizes what the US did to Japan with the the nuclear weapons. 'Nuff said.

nintendog66