Should the US Punish Russia?

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

You guys are spineless...the world should be punishing Russia...some of you guys have NO clue what you are talking about. Russia did everything they could to provoke Georgia to attack. People are ignoring the fact that Russian Separatists were attacking Georgian villages long before the Georgian offensive began. Right now the Russian media is churning out all of the information they can to make it seem like Georgia is the villian of this conflict. They have gone as far to say American and Ukrainian mercenaries are fighting for Georgia. They even interviewed a woman who swore she saw a soldier in black with an American logo on this shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBMQufrBWdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

Disinformation campaign being run by the Russian media...clearly it is working.

This isn't about anything other than Russia trying to make an example of what happens to former block nations that try to jump out of Russia's sphere of influence. Why else would they be pushing so hard for a regime change?....Why else would they block any attempt to have non-Russian peace keepers in the region? Roughly 2000 people have died thus far in the conflict (all of which Russia is claiming is directly from Georgia's military...I have news for you...Russia has been bombing and shelling Georgia throughout the conflict. They even shelled O.S. for the short amount of time Georgian troops occupied it. Its not like civilians in the area can tell the difference between Georgian Artillery and Russian Artillery.

UnknownSniper65

WOW it sounds like WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. You dont know truth so quit talking like you know the truth. The Russian media will make it sound like they are right just like the American media will make it sound like they are wrong. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists...

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agruement.

See that is where you are wrong because neither side is right, they are both wrong. War is never the answer and has never solved anything. You dont know the truth about anything not even WW2, Vietnam, WW1, Civil War, nothing, why because who ever wins the war will write history in their favor. You read in your books that Germany, and Italy were the axis of evil and the bad people but my grandfather fought in WW2 and his opinion was that more Jews needed to die because they were making alot of europe starve. So who should I believe, the history books or my grandfather, My choice was neither because obviously there is 2 sides to every story. War is something humans dont understand and probably never will.

Also if US boycotts then every other country should boycott anything US for Iraq.

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

UnknownSniper65

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

BlackAlpha666

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Every country needs to drop these dumb grudges. War will never end. These Kings continue to play the pesants in their on going chess match.

Punishing Russia would only cause more tension between governments. You feel for the Georgian soldiers thoe, having to face the Russian army. I mean the Russians really held nothing back against them.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

You guys are spineless...the world should be punishing Russia...some of you guys have NO clue what you are talking about. Russia did everything they could to provoke Georgia to attack. People are ignoring the fact that Russian Separatists were attacking Georgian villages long before the Georgian offensive began. Right now the Russian media is churning out all of the information they can to make it seem like Georgia is the villian of this conflict. They have gone as far to say American and Ukrainian mercenaries are fighting for Georgia. They even interviewed a woman who swore she saw a soldier in black with an American logo on this shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBMQufrBWdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

Disinformation campaign being run by the Russian media...clearly it is working.

This isn't about anything other than Russia trying to make an example of what happens to former block nations that try to jump out of Russia's sphere of influence. Why else would they be pushing so hard for a regime change?....Why else would they block any attempt to have non-Russian peace keepers in the region? Roughly 2000 people have died thus far in the conflict (all of which Russia is claiming is directly from Georgia's military...I have news for you...Russia has been bombing and shelling Georgia throughout the conflict. They even shelled O.S. for the short amount of time Georgian troops occupied it. Its not like civilians in the area can tell the difference between Georgian Artillery and Russian Artillery.

balindos

WOW it sounds like WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. You dont know truth so quit talking like you know the truth. The Russian media will make it sound like they are right just like the American media will make it sound like they are wrong. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists...

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agruement.

See that is where you are wrong because neither side is right, they are both wrong. War is never the answer and has never solved anything. You dont know the truth about anything not even WW2, Vietnam, WW1, Civil War, nothing, why because who ever wins the war will write history in their favor. You read in your books that Germany, and Italy were the axis of evil and the bad people but my grandfather fought in WW2 and his opinion was that more Jews needed to die because they were making alot of europe starve. So who should I believe, the history books or my grandfather, My choice was neither because obviously there is 2 sides to every story. War is something humans dont understand and probably never will.

Also if US boycotts then every other country should boycott anything US for Iraq.

Georgia's leader was ELECTED. Saddam was never elected by the Iraqi people. Infact in the only election Iraq ever had while under Saddam's rule their was only one person ,running that being Saddam.

many Iraqis were FOR the regime change in Iraq...however they do not like having a foreign army in their country (completely understandable). The occupation was poorly managed and we simply failed to win over the Iraqis due to several poor PR incidents.

I was not for the Iraq War ( I thought it wasn't worth our time considering Bin Laden was still on the run) but you simply cannot compare the two conflicts with eachother.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

BlackAlpha666

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

You guys are spineless...the world should be punishing Russia...some of you guys have NO clue what you are talking about. Russia did everything they could to provoke Georgia to attack. People are ignoring the fact that Russian Separatists were attacking Georgian villages long before the Georgian offensive began. Right now the Russian media is churning out all of the information they can to make it seem like Georgia is the villian of this conflict. They have gone as far to say American and Ukrainian mercenaries are fighting for Georgia. They even interviewed a woman who swore she saw a soldier in black with an American logo on this shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBMQufrBWdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

Disinformation campaign being run by the Russian media...clearly it is working.

This isn't about anything other than Russia trying to make an example of what happens to former block nations that try to jump out of Russia's sphere of influence. Why else would they be pushing so hard for a regime change?....Why else would they block any attempt to have non-Russian peace keepers in the region? Roughly 2000 people have died thus far in the conflict (all of which Russia is claiming is directly from Georgia's military...I have news for you...Russia has been bombing and shelling Georgia throughout the conflict. They even shelled O.S. for the short amount of time Georgian troops occupied it. Its not like civilians in the area can tell the difference between Georgian Artillery and Russian Artillery.

UnknownSniper65

WOW it sounds like WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. You dont know truth so quit talking like you know the truth. The Russian media will make it sound like they are right just like the American media will make it sound like they are wrong. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists...

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agruement.

See that is where you are wrong because neither side is right, they are both wrong. War is never the answer and has never solved anything. You dont know the truth about anything not even WW2, Vietnam, WW1, Civil War, nothing, why because who ever wins the war will write history in their favor. You read in your books that Germany, and Italy were the axis of evil and the bad people but my grandfather fought in WW2 and his opinion was that more Jews needed to die because they were making alot of europe starve. So who should I believe, the history books or my grandfather, My choice was neither because obviously there is 2 sides to every story. War is something humans dont understand and probably never will.

Also if US boycotts then every other country should boycott anything US for Iraq.

Georgia's leader was ELECTED. Saddam was never elected by the Iraqi people. Infact in the only election Iraq ever had while under Saddam's rule their was only one person ,running that being Saddam.

many Iraqis were FOR the regime change in Iraq...however they do not like having a foreign army in their country (completely understandable). The occupation was poorly managed and we simply failed to win over the Iraqis due to several poor PR incidents.

I was not for the Iraq War ( I thought it wasn't worth our time consitering Bin Laden was still on the run) but you simply cannot compare the two conflicts with eachother.

How do you know they wanted a regime change? Did you let them hold a legitimate vote? I didn't think so. All the stuff they blame on Russia, you could blame on the US as well for what they did in Iraq. Note that the US is still killing civilians to this day. OH NO, THE BASTARDS! No, wait, whatever the US does is a good thing... :roll:

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

You guys are spineless...the world should be punishing Russia...some of you guys have NO clue what you are talking about. Russia did everything they could to provoke Georgia to attack. People are ignoring the fact that Russian Separatists were attacking Georgian villages long before the Georgian offensive began. Right now the Russian media is churning out all of the information they can to make it seem like Georgia is the villian of this conflict. They have gone as far to say American and Ukrainian mercenaries are fighting for Georgia. They even interviewed a woman who swore she saw a soldier in black with an American logo on this shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBMQufrBWdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

Disinformation campaign being run by the Russian media...clearly it is working.

This isn't about anything other than Russia trying to make an example of what happens to former block nations that try to jump out of Russia's sphere of influence. Why else would they be pushing so hard for a regime change?....Why else would they block any attempt to have non-Russian peace keepers in the region? Roughly 2000 people have died thus far in the conflict (all of which Russia is claiming is directly from Georgia's military...I have news for you...Russia has been bombing and shelling Georgia throughout the conflict. They even shelled O.S. for the short amount of time Georgian troops occupied it. Its not like civilians in the area can tell the difference between Georgian Artillery and Russian Artillery.

UnknownSniper65

WOW it sounds like WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. You dont know truth so quit talking like you know the truth. The Russian media will make it sound like they are right just like the American media will make it sound like they are wrong. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists...

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agruement.

See that is where you are wrong because neither side is right, they are both wrong. War is never the answer and has never solved anything. You dont know the truth about anything not even WW2, Vietnam, WW1, Civil War, nothing, why because who ever wins the war will write history in their favor. You read in your books that Germany, and Italy were the axis of evil and the bad people but my grandfather fought in WW2 and his opinion was that more Jews needed to die because they were making alot of europe starve. So who should I believe, the history books or my grandfather, My choice was neither because obviously there is 2 sides to every story. War is something humans dont understand and probably never will.

Also if US boycotts then every other country should boycott anything US for Iraq.

Georgia's leader was ELECTED. Saddam was never elected by the Iraqi people. Infact in the only election Iraq ever had while under Saddam's rule their was only one person ,running that being Saddam.

many Iraqis were FOR the regime change in Iraq...however they do not like having a foreign army in their country (completely understandable). The occupation was poorly managed and we simply failed to win over the Iraqis due to several poor PR incidents.

I was not for the Iraq War ( I thought it wasn't worth our time consitering Bin Laden was still on the run) but you simply cannot compare the two conflicts with eachother.

See you dont know what the Iraqis wanted because that is what your media told you not the actual people of Iraq. I know for sure that Iraq was in a 100 times better condition than what it is now. US has placed their government in their and will use them for other middle east action. Also when your government lies to you why they went into war that should already make you suspicious at their actions. It went from 911 to Iraq for no apparent reason. I still believe Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911 because if he is who they say he is, then on that exact day he would of taken credit for taking them down because it would of gave him pride but he denied it.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

UnknownSniper65

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

You guys are spineless...the world should be punishing Russia...some of you guys have NO clue what you are talking about. Russia did everything they could to provoke Georgia to attack. People are ignoring the fact that Russian Separatists were attacking Georgian villages long before the Georgian offensive began. Right now the Russian media is churning out all of the information they can to make it seem like Georgia is the villian of this conflict. They have gone as far to say American and Ukrainian mercenaries are fighting for Georgia. They even interviewed a woman who swore she saw a soldier in black with an American logo on this shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBMQufrBWdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-9_1TaYU0

Disinformation campaign being run by the Russian media...clearly it is working.

This isn't about anything other than Russia trying to make an example of what happens to former block nations that try to jump out of Russia's sphere of influence. Why else would they be pushing so hard for a regime change?....Why else would they block any attempt to have non-Russian peace keepers in the region? Roughly 2000 people have died thus far in the conflict (all of which Russia is claiming is directly from Georgia's military...I have news for you...Russia has been bombing and shelling Georgia throughout the conflict. They even shelled O.S. for the short amount of time Georgian troops occupied it. Its not like civilians in the area can tell the difference between Georgian Artillery and Russian Artillery.

BlackAlpha666

WOW it sounds like WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. You dont know truth so quit talking like you know the truth. The Russian media will make it sound like they are right just like the American media will make it sound like they are wrong. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists...

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agruement.

See that is where you are wrong because neither side is right, they are both wrong. War is never the answer and has never solved anything. You dont know the truth about anything not even WW2, Vietnam, WW1, Civil War, nothing, why because who ever wins the war will write history in their favor. You read in your books that Germany, and Italy were the axis of evil and the bad people but my grandfather fought in WW2 and his opinion was that more Jews needed to die because they were making alot of europe starve. So who should I believe, the history books or my grandfather, My choice was neither because obviously there is 2 sides to every story. War is something humans dont understand and probably never will.

Also if US boycotts then every other country should boycott anything US for Iraq.

Georgia's leader was ELECTED. Saddam was never elected by the Iraqi people. Infact in the only election Iraq ever had while under Saddam's rule their was only one person ,running that being Saddam.

many Iraqis were FOR the regime change in Iraq...however they do not like having a foreign army in their country (completely understandable). The occupation was poorly managed and we simply failed to win over the Iraqis due to several poor PR incidents.

I was not for the Iraq War ( I thought it wasn't worth our time consitering Bin Laden was still on the run) but you simply cannot compare the two conflicts with eachother.

How do you know they wanted a regime change? Did you let them hold a legitimate vote? I didn't think so. All the stuff they blame on Russia, you could blame on the US as well for what they did in Iraq. Note that the US is still killing civilians to this day. OH NO, THE BASTARDS! No, wait, whatever the US does is a good thing... :roll:

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

BlackAlpha666

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

balindos

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

exactly.

We need neutral peacekeepers...Russia has a clear interest in these disputed regions therefore they shouldn't have been given the responsibility of keeping the peace in that region.

US troops aren't killing civilians intentially...infact the vast majority of violence has been between different Iraqi militias.UnknownSniper65

You could say the same about Russia in this conflict but sometimes a bomb will miss their target... See what my point is?

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

balindos

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

"Get over it" is an unrealistic expectation. People in that region won't get over it that easily. You need somebody in there to keep the peace. At the very least the NATO should be send in.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

BlackAlpha666

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

"Get over it" is an unrealistic expectation. People in that region won't get over it that easily. You need somebody in there to keep the peace. At the very least the NATO should be send in.

agreed,finally.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

US troops aren't killing civilians intentially...infact the vast majority of violence has been between different Iraqi militias.BlackAlpha666

You could say the same about Russia in this conflict but sometimes a bomb will miss their target... See what my point is?

I dont understand how people can look at their news channels and look at them as facts when it is obvious bias information. War is war and there are no such thing as civilians when you are at war. Anybody can shoot so you shoot them before they shoot you even if they werent a threat.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

BlackAlpha666

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

"Get over it" is an unrealistic expectation. People in that region won't get over it that easily. You need somebody in there to keep the peace. At the very least the NATO should be send in.

I know it unrealistic and sending Nato in will just keep them from fighting for a while but the fight will continue another day. The only real solution is for them to get over it and the governments need to follow in that order instead of feeding their people more BS and that goes for both countries. Leader do not do what they are suppose to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26159742/?GT1=43001 Discuss.....mohan88

We don't have enough leverage over Russia to do anything.

Another thing Why is this topic should the US punish Russia? should it not be "Should the UN punish Russia?" because frankly Russia would steam roll America in my opinion they are in no position to act the dominate power.RiseAgainst12

the topic was worded badly...the US shouldn't "punish" Russia alone...The UN and NATO should simply step in and take control over the situation. In a non-bias manner...something that even the US isn't doing.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

US troops aren't killing civilians intentially...infact the vast majority of violence has been between different Iraqi militias.balindos

You could say the same about Russia in this conflict but sometimes a bomb will miss their target... See what my point is?

I dont understand how people can look at their news channels and look at them as facts when it is obvious bias information. War is war and there are no such thing as civilians when you are at war. Anybody can shoot so you shoot them before they shoot you even if they werent a threat.

That is irrelevant to the topic because Russia isn't accused of doing that. They are accused of bombing civilians. But like you said, war is war and those type of things happen, unfortunetly, and usually they happen by accident. So, everybody who starts a war is guilty of such crimes, don't blame them only on Russia!

That is where the "What about the US" debate comes in. They are waging war as well and are guilty of the same crimes.

I know it unrealistic and sending Nato in will just keep them from fighting for a while but the fight will continue another day. The only real solution is for them to get over it and the governments need to follow in that order instead of feeding their people more BS and that goes for both countries. Leader do not do what they are suppose to do.

balindos

The problem is both leaders think they were completely right in their actions. Sadly, You're probably right they will end up fighting another day...but we can prevent all out war for a good period of time by keeping the sides away from direct conflict.The worse thing we can do (which is what most people here are suggesting) is letting Russia steamroll Georgia for trying to suppress Separatists who may or may not have been attacking them ( No one knows...Georgia is claiming 3 towns were shelled)

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]Another thing Why is this topic should the US punish Russia? should it not be "Should the UN punish Russia?" because frankly Russia would steam roll America in my opinion they are in no position to act the dominate power.UnknownSniper65

the topic was worded badly...the US shouldn't "punish" Russia alone...The UN and NATO should simply step in and take control over the situation. In a non-bias manner...something that even the US isn't doing.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

balindos

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

"Get over it" is an unrealistic expectation. People in that region won't get over it that easily. You need somebody in there to keep the peace. At the very least the NATO should be send in.

I know it unrealistic and sending Nato in will just keep them from fighting for a while but the fight will continue another day. The only real solution is for them to get over it and the governments need to follow in that order instead of feeding their people more BS and that goes for both countries. Leader do not do what they are suppose to do.

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

[QUOTE="balindos"]

I know it unrealistic and sending Nato in will just keep them from fighting for a while but the fight will continue another day. The only real solution is for them to get over it and the governments need to follow in that order instead of feeding their people more BS and that goes for both countries. Leader do not do what they are suppose to do.

UnknownSniper65

The problem is both leaders think they were completely right in their actions. Sadly, You're probably right they will end up fighting another day...but we can prevent all out war for a good period of time by keeping the sides away from direct conflict.

Like I said the Kings never fight but the pesants will always suffer for the kings cause.

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

BlackAlpha666

The same reason the US didn't simply let the South go during the American Civil War. It all boils down to nationalism,power and resources.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

BlackAlpha666

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

"Get over it" is an unrealistic expectation. People in that region won't get over it that easily. You need somebody in there to keep the peace. At the very least the NATO should be send in.

I know it unrealistic and sending Nato in will just keep them from fighting for a while but the fight will continue another day. The only real solution is for them to get over it and the governments need to follow in that order instead of feeding their people more BS and that goes for both countries. Leader do not do what they are suppose to do.

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

Im with you that the civilian dont care all but these greedy leaders are the real problem and the ones creating these wars. As long as we continue to listen to the He said This or did that, war will continue. It is all these brainwashed military people that carry out these orders to kill because they were told to. If nobody in the world joins a military then their is no war.

Its like it began with 2 families and they recruited people to fight for their family just because they felt the other family was wrong. Just let those 2 families deal with it and dont get involved.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

UnknownSniper65

The same reason the US didn't simply let the South go during the American Civil War. It all boils down to nationalism,power and resources.

True but up to this day those regions have been working separately from the Georgian government. The government controls absolutely nothing in those regions. Why should Georgia be allowed to control those regions now? After all these years, should the people of those regions suddenly give up control to Georgia?

Of course the US should insist on pushing for punishment against Russia.

Russia is merely trying to flex their muscles and sphere of influence from their long gone soviet union.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

...Georgia has always had problems with separatists.

" I am right and your wrong" - pretty much sums up your response....you didn't even give any logical backing behind your agrument.

I am not saying the US should respond using violence (that is the LAST thing I want),but I do believe that the US should punish Russia in some way (even if it is as minor as boycotting Russia's meeting with NATO members)...or atleast warn Russia it cannot boss its neighbors around

balindos

So, what should Russia do now? Should they pull all their forces back and pretend nothing happened?

Russia should backdown and allow for blue hats to take control over the disputed regions. They knew that their presence in that region would eventually make tensions boil over.

Sounds like a plan.

The only right thing to do is to stop fighting and get over it.

"Get over it" is an unrealistic expectation. People in that region won't get over it that easily. You need somebody in there to keep the peace. At the very least the NATO should be send in.

I know it unrealistic and sending Nato in will just keep them from fighting for a while but the fight will continue another day. The only real solution is for them to get over it and the governments need to follow in that order instead of feeding their people more BS and that goes for both countries. Leader do not do what they are suppose to do.

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

Im with you that the civilian dont care all but these greedy leaders are the real problem and the ones creating these wars. As long as we continue to listen to the He said This or did that, war will continue. It is all these brainwashed military people that carry out these orders to kill because they were told to. If nobody in the world joins a military then their is no war.

Yeah but Georgia doesn't really need those regions. They never controlled them and they are doing just fine. So, if the regions fall under Russian control, than there'll be no more wars because 1. Georgia is too afraid to touch Russia. 2. Russia won't have any excuse to attack Georgia. 3. The people of those regions won't be bullied by Georgia anymore, so they won't have to fight.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

BlackAlpha666

The same reason the US didn't simply let the South go during the American Civil War. It all boils down to nationalism,power and resources.

True but up to this day those regions have been working separately from the Georgian government. The government controls absolutely nothing in those regions. Why should Georgia be allowed to control those regions now? After all these years, should the people of those regions suddenly give up control to Georgia?

Better question, why should any government control any region?

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

BlackAlpha666

The same reason the US didn't simply let the South go during the American Civil War. It all boils down to nationalism,power and resources.

True but up to this day those regions have been working separately from the Georgian government. The government controls absolutely nothing in those regions. Why should Georgia be allowed to control those regions now? After all these years, should the people of those regions suddenly give up control to Georgia?

Georgian citizens believe it is their territory. Think back to post-WW1 when France occupied the Rhineland. To them it didn't matter that something like 90% of its population was German they still believed it was rightfully French territory,

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

balindos

The same reason the US didn't simply let the South go during the American Civil War. It all boils down to nationalism,power and resources.

True but up to this day those regions have been working separately from the Georgian government. The government controls absolutely nothing in those regions. Why should Georgia be allowed to control those regions now? After all these years, should the people of those regions suddenly give up control to Georgia?

Better question, why should any government control any region?

Because their people want them to. You know, that is what democracy is about. You choose your leaders, the leaders don't choose you.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

If they will continue fighting, than why not let them become part of Russia? Georgian people don't care about those regions, only the politicians do. If those regions are part of Russia, than the Georgian military won't be able to touch them and there'll be no need for those regions to attack the Georgian military. No?

UnknownSniper65

The same reason the US didn't simply let the South go during the American Civil War. It all boils down to nationalism,power and resources.

True but up to this day those regions have been working separately from the Georgian government. The government controls absolutely nothing in those regions. Why should Georgia be allowed to control those regions now? After all these years, should the people of those regions suddenly give up control to Georgia?

Georgian citizens believe it is their territory. Think back to post-WW1 when France occupied the Rhineland. To them it didn't matter that something like 90% of its population was German they still believed it was rightfully French territory,

I'm not familiar with that part of history but isn't that now part of Germany?

NATO have no reason to step in it is just further strain on it's members Economy. UN should step in theo to ease tension between Russia and Georgia.RiseAgainst12

NATO has every reason to step in seeing as how Georgia was due to obtain full membership by the end of the year.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]NATO have no reason to step in it is just further strain on it's members Economy. UN should step in theo to ease tension between Russia and Georgia.Oleg_Huzwog

NATO has every reason to step in seeing as how Georgia was due to obtain full membership by the end of the year.

I'm just kind of wondering. If NATO steps in, doesn't that mean that Russia was right to invade those regions and make Georgia stop fighting? Of course that wouldn't excuse the bombing of other regions.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]NATO have no reason to step in it is just further strain on it's members Economy. UN should step in theo to ease tension between Russia and Georgia.BlackAlpha666

NATO has every reason to step in seeing as how Georgia was due to obtain full membership by the end of the year.

I'm just kind of wondering. If NATO steps in, doesn't that mean that Russia was right to invade those regions and make Georgia stop fighting? Of course that wouldn't excuse the bombing of other regions.

NATO stepping in would be for the purpose of getting the Russians out of Georgia (that includes South Ossetia). It wouldn't be for the purpose of brokering any sort of deal between Georgia and the rebels, although I can see that now becoming a side result. So no, I don't think that implies NATO validating Russia's actions in any way (which is what I assume you mean by "right".)

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]NATO have no reason to step in it is just further strain on it's members Economy. UN should step in theo to ease tension between Russia and Georgia.Oleg_Huzwog

NATO has every reason to step in seeing as how Georgia was due to obtain full membership by the end of the year.

I'm just kind of wondering. If NATO steps in, doesn't that mean that Russia was right to invade those regions and make Georgia stop fighting? Of course that wouldn't excuse the bombing of other regions.

NATO stepping in would be for the purpose of getting the Russians out of Georgia (that includes South Ossetia). It wouldn't be for the purpose of brokering any sort of deal between Georgia and the rebels, although I can see that now becoming a side result. So no, I don't think that implies NATO validating Russia's actions in any way (which is what I assume you mean by "right".)

So, the fighting between Georgia and the separatists will just continue after NATO leaves?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]NATO stepping in would be for the purpose of getting the Russians out of Georgia (that includes South Ossetia). It wouldn't be for the purpose of brokering any sort of deal between Georgia and the rebels, although I can see that now becoming a side result. So no, I don't think that implies NATO validating Russia's actions in any way (which is what I assume you mean by "right".)

BlackAlpha666

So, the fighting between Georgia and the separatists will just continue after NATO leaves?

...if NATO leaves.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]NATO have no reason to step in it is just further strain on it's members Economy. UN should step in theo to ease tension between Russia and Georgia.Oleg_Huzwog

NATO has every reason to step in seeing as how Georgia was due to obtain full membership by the end of the year.