Should we go to war with Iran?

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Spoken like someone without a clue as to what's going on.

m25105

That would also include most of OT.

I wonder how it's like to be as ignorant as a person like you. Must be awesome. Ignorance is bliss.

Maybe they don't want the USA snooping around in their business?

peterw007

Because they're in the process of making nuclear weapons.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"]Sure, kill more brown Muslim people. It's not like they got feelings, families and dreams.m25105

No, spoken like someone who has read a bit of history. Iran was, is and will probably never be a threat to the U.S. But that hasn't stopped the U.S. from trying to royally screw them over the last 60 years. m25105

I find it hard to believe you've read any history at all considering your previous statement.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Maybe they don't want the USA snooping around in their business?

airshocker

Because they're in the process of making nuclear weapons.

That's a leap.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

The only time I would ever condone a war is if Iran explodes a nuclear weapon on a USA city or otherwise invades the USA.

The USA has no business as the world's police force.

Do we realize how much other countries despise America just because it thinks it can stick its nose into other people's business?

Iran has stated many hundreds of times that it just wants nuclear power for energy.

We don't have any trace of evidence that Iran has any sort of nuclear weapon...just like we didn't have any proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Let's not make the same mistake twice, people.

peterw007

North Korea also has the capacity to wipe others off the map.

Has North Korea blown up South Korea with its nuclear weapons yet?

But they don't. They have no weapons projection like Iran does. North Korea's missiles all failed and they haven't built any that can. North Korea still has to fly their extremely small amount of nukes with planes and they have never said they want to wipe out another country like Iran has.

There is also a good reason why the South Koreans and the USA have a size able military force in South Korea.

Most people here want the USA to pull out of the middle east and close all of their bases. So unlike North Korea, they won't have any deterrents in the neighboring countries to stop them from doing something stupid. They've also been tied many times to terrorist organizations that have attacked Israel. North Korea has never been tied to any group that has launched a successful attack on another nation since the Korean War.

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Maybe they don't want the USA snooping around in their business?

airshocker

Because they're in the process of making nuclear weapons.

It really feels like a repeat of the Iraq War all over again...letting paranoia and the military-industrial complex turn our peaceful nation into the world's bully.

That's a leap.

Ilovegames1992

Not really. If your goal is to only have nuclear power, why not let the UN inspectors do their job and vindicate you?

The logical answer: They are indeed trying to get nuclear weapons.

No, I have no idea why we are still bullying Iran. To me it seems like they just want to live their lives just like the rest of us.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

That's a leap.

airshocker

Not really. If your goal is to only have nuclear power, why not let the UN inspectors do their job and vindicate you?

The logical answer: They are indeed trying to get nuclear weapons.

You need proof though.

[QUOTE="m25105"]No, spoken like someone who has read a bit of history. Iran was, is and will probably never be a threat to the U.S. But that hasn't stopped the U.S. from trying to royally screw them over the last 60 years. airshocker

I find it hard to believe you've read any history at all considering your previous statement.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"]Sure, kill more brown Muslim people. It's not like they got feelings, families and dreams.m25105

It really feels like a repeat of the Iraq War all over again...letting paranoia and the military-industrial complex turn our peaceful nation into the world's bully.

peterw007

Only because you're unwilling to believe any different. If Iran allowed UN inspectors to go through every piece of their nuclear program, and we found no trace of them creating nuclear weapons, then there is no threat.

But until then we have to assume there is. Only a guilty party doesn't allow themselves to be vindicated.

You need proof though.

Ilovegames1992

That's proof enough.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

That's a leap.

airshocker

Not really. If your goal is to only have nuclear power, why not let the UN inspectors do their job and vindicate you?

The logical answer: They are indeed trying to get nuclear weapons.

Pakistan is often cited as a 'harbour of terrorists', yet their nukes seem pretty safe.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's political not religious but nice try appealing to emotion......problem.....I have no emotions do I didn't fall for it.kuraimen

I have. Let me guess, Iran is a bad country, cause they ousted the noble Shah and took American hostages in the 70's? And now the President of Iran (who's like the 12th in power) grossly mistranslated speech makes it viable to bomb a sovereign country. Hell anyone, could understand why Iran would get a nuke. m25105

I don't think you have, again, because of the statement you made.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Maybe they don't want the USA snooping around in their business?

peterw007

Because they're in the process of making nuclear weapons.

It really feels like a repeat of the Iraq War all over again...letting paranoia and the military-industrial complex turn our peaceful nation into the world's bully.

[QUOTE="m25105"]I have. Let me guess, Iran is a bad country, cause they ousted the noble Shah and took American hostages in the 70's? And now the President of Iran (who's like the 12th in power) grossly mistranslated speech makes it viable to bomb a sovereign country. Hell anyone, could understand why Iran would get a nuke. airshocker

I don't think you have, again, because of the statement you made.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Because they're in the process of making nuclear weapons.

needled24-7

It really feels like a repeat of the Iraq War all over again...letting paranoia and the military-industrial complex turn our peaceful nation into the world's bully.

My avatar has been unchanged since February 2005.

It's pretty incredible when you think about it.

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[QUOTE="m25105"]I have. Let me guess, Iran is a bad country, cause they ousted the noble Shah and took American hostages in the 70's? And now the President of Iran (who's like the 12th in power) grossly mistranslated speech makes it viable to bomb a sovereign country. Hell anyone, could understand why Iran would get a nuke. m25105

I don't think you have, again, because of the statement you made.

And, even then, so what? Everyone in the region has nuclear weapons, I'm sure Iran feels pressured to have them. What would Iran do if they made 1 in the first place? Destroy Israel? They'd be annihilated, and I highly doubt it'd start WW3.

Pakistan is often cited as a 'harbour of terrorists', yet their nukes seem pretty safe.

Inconsistancy

Again, proliferation is what we're concerned about. I highly doubt Iran itself would nuke anybody, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't sell a nuke to one of our enemies.

Pakistan and India almosted nuked each other after 9/11, FYI. I don't think anybody in the middle-east should have nukes. But as it stands, and it makes me gag saying this, Pakistan is more friendly to the US than Iran.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

You need proof though.

airshocker

That's proof enough.

okay that's not the best analogy ever but i'm using it anyways.

They have the right to do what they want in their own country and when your country is surrounded by American military bases and you got Israeli warhawks drooling over the thought of bombing said country (after already assassinated their scientists) I'd think any sane country would want a nuke. m25105

And when you make statements bringing religion and skin color into this, it makes you look like an idiot.

Lets hope it doesn't come to that. The Anti-American sentiment is disappointing, though not unexpected. That's what happens when you're the world's Halo.musicalmac

If they declare war or outright attack us (in the country, any of our bases, ships, etc) then yes otherwise we shouldn't attack at all. Let them be the aggressor and us the victim.

If they attack Israel, we have an obligation to protect and help them though.

Well I see more pro american sentiment here which makes sense since this is an american board. I'm sure it would be the opposite in an iranian board.kuraimen

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And, even then, so what? Everyone in the region has nuclear weapons, I'm sure Iran feels pressured to have them. What would Iran do if they made 1 in the first place? Destroy Israel? They'd be annihilated, and I highly doubt it'd start WW3.

Pakistan is often cited as a 'harbour of terrorists', yet their nukes seem pretty safe.

airshocker

Again, proliferation is what we're concerned about. I highly doubt Iran itself would nuke anybody, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't sell a nuke to one of our enemies.

Pakistan and India almosted nuked each other after 9/11, FYI. I don't think anybody in the middle-east should have nukes. But as it stands, and it makes me gag saying this, Pakistan is more friendly to the US than Iran.

Maybe 'cause we keep spitting on them they keep getting more mad at us? Maybe if we back off a bit, stop pressuring them, maybe they'll become more friendly? Threatening people usually has the side-effect of pissing them off.

I don't like the idea of nuclear weapons at all, they're unnecessary...

Complete failure of empathy, The USA is a sociopathic nation it seems.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Lets hope it doesn't come to that. The Anti-American sentiment is disappointing, though not unexpected. That's what happens when you're the world's Halo.kuraimen

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

I don't think you have, again, because of the statement you made.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well I see more pro american sentiment here which makes sense since this is an american board. I'm sure it would be the opposite in an iranian board.musicalmac

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well I see more pro american sentiment here which makes sense since this is an american board. I'm sure it would be the opposite in an iranian board.musicalmac

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"] They have the right to do what they want in their own country and when your country is surrounded by American military bases and you got Israeli warhawks drooling over the thought of bombing said country (after already assassinated their scientists) I'd think any sane country would want a nuke. m25105

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Canada does not seem worried about the US.....logic fail.LJS9502_basic

That I perceive more people in this board as pro american than anti american.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Lets hope it doesn't come to that. The Anti-American sentiment is disappointing, though not unexpected. That's what happens when you're the world's Halo.LJS9502_basic

Die decadent americans!!!

A unstable, corrupted nation with the technology and knowledge to build nuclear weapons that refuses to be transparent is a huge danger, even if they aren't actually building nuclear weapons. They could for instance sell information and technology to parties that are a danger to the west. One could compare the situation to North Korea, there was reasonable fear that they would sell technology & information to al-qaeda.
On the other hand, by denying these countries nuclear weapons we create a power full tool for them, the entire situation becomes a power play. Leading to potentially dangerous situations, as countries tend to make treats during a power play that they can't take back.

IMO the best solution is actually simple. Allow Iran to build nuclear weapons under strict supervision of the west, as long as there are some trusted individuals in their nuclear program there is no need to fear. It's a simple offer that they can't refuse, as refusing it implies bad intent.

what if you pull a kid over driving and you think he probably has weapons in his car? and in the past you've seen this kid and he has told you "f*ck the police, i wish that all the police were dead." you ask to search his car and he says he does not want you to search it. that is proof that he has something to hide, right?

okay that's not the best analogy ever but i'm using it anyways.

needled24-7

I wouldn't think he had a weapon in the car unless I've had past experience with him. We have past experience with Iran. They took our people hostage, after all. They're refusing to let UN inspectors do their job.

I see a legitimate cause to go to war with them.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] That I perceive more people in this board as pro american than anti american.musicalmac

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

what if you pull a kid over driving and you think he probably has weapons in his car? and in the past you've seen this kid and he has told you "f*ck the police, i wish that all the police were dead." you ask to search his car and he says he does not want you to search it. that is proof that he has something to hide, right?

okay that's not the best analogy ever but i'm using it anyways.

airshocker

I wouldn't think he had a weapon in the car unless I've had past experience with him. We have past experience with Iran. They took our people hostage, after all. They're refusing to let UN inspectors do their job.

I see a legitimate cause to go to war with them.

Again, this is a failure of empathy. Their nation is ran by a human, he may be a bit of a nut, but he's still a human, he has emotions, as do the people of his nation, and failing to see that, or care about it, is pathetic.

Maybe 'cause we keep spitting on them they keep getting more mad at us? Maybe if we back off a bit, stop pressuring them, maybe they'll become more friendly? Threatening people usually has the side-effect of pissing them off.

I don't like the idea of nuclear weapons at all, they're unnecessary...

Complete failure of empathy, The USA is a sociopathic nation it seems.

Inconsistancy

Maybe they shouldn't have taken our people hostage? Maybe they should let the UN inspectors do their job, if they're actually innocent.

Iran will never do anything it doesn't want to do. And I believe the US and Israel are justified in waging war if we had to.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"] Canada and Iran are two different countries and different histories. The only logic fail here is you trying to equate to completely culturally different countries.

m25105

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well I see more pro american sentiment here which makes sense since this is an american board. I'm sure it would be the opposite in an iranian board.tenaka2

Die decadent americans!!!