Should women be allowed to be Navy SEALs?

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Sajedene

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

true, but maybe extra training would be a good idea as there'ld be no veterans, just steal a couple of things from the ranger training scheme that the regulars could use

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Sajedene

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Being in thier own units and on their own operations would be fine. Allowing this weakness to show means deaths and we can't just throw away experianced male soldiers because they can't cope with not saving their female comrade

markop2003

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. FrKnPuertoRican

Should we feign ignorance of human nature, because of political correctness?

Oh no... sure go ahead. But I am bookmarking this thread next time we get one of those "Which is the weaker sex" threads.

No, women should not be SEALS.

Nor should men. It is a crime against God to change your species.

No, women should not be SEALS.

Nor should men. It is a crime against God to change your species.

Theokhoth

What about SWCCs?

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Dasacant

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Worthwhile on who's part? You're saying you'd rather lose 1 competent woman over say 5 incompetent men/shorthanded troops all because of her gender and the idea that you men are so weak that you wouldnt be able to function with her there?

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Sajedene

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Worthwhile on who's part? You're saying you'd rather lose 1 competent woman over say 5 incompetent men/shorthanded troops all because of her gender and the idea that you men are so weak that you wouldnt be able to function with her there?

[QUOTE="markop2003"]

Being in thier own units and on their own operations would be fine. Allowing this weakness to show means deaths and we can't just throw away experianced male soldiers because they can't cope with not saving their female comrade

Sajedene

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. FrKnPuertoRican

Should we feign ignorance of human nature, because of political correctness?

Oh no... sure go ahead. But I am bookmarking this thread next time we get one of those "Which is the weaker sex" threads.

How about we settle this with an arm wrestling match...scratch that...i'd probably have a better shot at a thumb war.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

No, women should not be SEALS.

Nor should men. It is a crime against God to change your species.

-TheSecondSign-

What about SWCCs?

I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure that's a crime against God as well.:x

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Dasacant

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Worthwhile on who's part? You're saying you'd rather lose 1 competent woman over say 5 incompetent men/shorthanded troops all because of her gender and the idea that you men are so weak that you wouldnt be able to function with her there?

Based on what study? All I am hearing are assumptions. Training military forces is an expense in itself. But if we can have the best of the best in a team, irregardless of gender, I will gladly put my tax dollars for that.

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Sajedene

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Worthwhile on who's part? You're saying you'd rather lose 1 competent woman over say 5 incompetent men/shorthanded troops all because of her gender and the idea that you men are so weak that you wouldnt be able to function with her there?

Based on what study? All I am hearing are assumptions. Training military forces is an expense in itself. But if we can have the best of the best in a team, irregardless of gender, I will gladly put my tax dollars for that.

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Sajedene

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Worthwhile on who's part? You're saying you'd rather lose 1 competent woman over say 5 incompetent men/shorthanded troops all because of her gender and the idea that you men are so weak that you wouldnt be able to function with her there?

Stop grouping everyone together as there are many reasons.

Your listing one.

Emotional vindictive nature. Your the type that is a problem. Some people say one thing, and regardless of what else is said that has nothing to do with who is emotionally weaker, you get vindictive and group everyone together and become confrontational.

Maybe the others are right. If your commander said your not strong enough to rush over and physically do the job so that the rest of the troops can cross safely that you would start screaming about how weak men are and that women are just as strong and able as anyone else in the unit. Regardless of the fact that you might NOT be able to lift 250 pounds and move at a steady pace.

You should keep posting.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

No, women should not be SEALS.

Nor should men. It is a crime against God to change your species.

Theokhoth

What about SWCCs?

I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure that's a crime against God as well.:x

Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen, the Rating designated to the soldiers who escort and evacuate SEALs using highspeed boats, a Special Warfare Rating with roughly 600 personell.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

No, women should not be SEALS.

Nor should men. It is a crime against God to change your species.

Theokhoth

What about SWCCs?

I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure that's a crime against God as well.:x

It is always safer to assume it is a crime against God ;)

Man I sound stupid

*Note to self* Don't say anything in these kind of threads Lion. :lol:

Stop grouping everyone together as there are many reasons.

Your listing one.

Emotional vindictive nature. Your the type that is a problem. Some people say one thing, and regardless of what else is said that has nothing to do with who is emotionally weaker, you get vindictive and group everyone together and become confrontational.

Maybe the others are right. If your commander said your not strong enough to rush over and physically do the job so that the rest of the troops can cross safely that you would start screaming about how weak men are and that women are just as strong and able as anyone else in the unit. Regardless of the fact that you might NOT be able to lift 250 pounds and move at a steady pace.

You should keep posting.

CreasianDevaili

Group what? Have you been reading this thread? Majority of the reasons are based on men's emotional reaction to a woman on the field. The reasoning that women are physically weak can easily be answered by "if they pass the test..." if its finances, I say, bring out the books. As I said, I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

And dude, if I was already in to have a commander yell at me and tell me I'm not right for a mission, then I would be smart enough to know that he is right. I want to live too you know. But dont worry, I wont be joining the military. And thank you for your wonderful assumptions and gender bias. Thank you.

You should keep posting too.

Man I sound stupid

*Note to self* Don't say anything in these kind of threads Lion. :lol:

MrLions

Ooh! I have pictures of your babies in my blog! They're so cuuuuuute.:oops:

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Group what? Have you been reading this thread? Majority of the reasons are based on men's emotional reaction to a woman on the field. The reasoning that women are physically weak can easily be answered by "if they pass the test..." if its finances, I say, bring out the books. As I said, I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

And dude, if I was already in to have a commander yell at me and tell me I'm not right for a mission, then I would be smart enough to know that he is right. I want to live too you know. But dont worry, I wont be joining the military. And thank you for your wonderful assumptions and gender bias. Thank you.

You should keep posting too.

Sajedene

Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen, the Rating designated to the soldiers who escort and evacuate SEALs using highspeed boats, a Special Warfare Rating with roughly 600 personell.

-TheSecondSign-

Oh.

Well, that's probably okay. >_>

Yay 9 page long thread.-TheSecondSign-

only 4 pages for me

[QUOTE="MrLions"]

Man I sound stupid

*Note to self* Don't say anything in these kind of threads Lion. :lol:

Theokhoth

Ooh! I have pictures of your babies in my blog! They're so cuuuuuute.:oops:

I have babies!?!? :shock:

I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

Sajedene

proberbly best to invest in what we already have first though, military is extreemly underfunded over here in the UK, i don't think we have any military hospitals left appart from field hospitals and i've heard some rumours that even getting ammo is hard espescially with thedodgey supply system we have over here

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]>

Group what? Have you been reading this thread? Majority of the reasons are based on men's emotional reaction to a woman on the field. The reasoning that women are physically weak can easily be answered by "if they pass the test..." if its finances, I say, bring out the books. As I said, I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

And dude, if I was already in to have a commander yell at me and tell me I'm not right for a mission, then I would be smart enough to know that he is right. I want to live too you know. But dont worry, I wont be joining the military. And thank you for your wonderful assumptions and gender bias. Thank you.

You should keep posting too.

Dasacant

Canada's great and all but they're not the first country I would use as an example when it comes to military warfare.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Stop grouping everyone together as there are many reasons.

Your listing one.

Emotional vindictive nature. Your the type that is a problem. Some people say one thing, and regardless of what else is said that has nothing to do with who is emotionally weaker, you get vindictive and group everyone together and become confrontational.

Maybe the others are right. If your commander said your not strong enough to rush over and physically do the job so that the rest of the troops can cross safely that you would start screaming about how weak men are and that women are just as strong and able as anyone else in the unit. Regardless of the fact that you might NOT be able to lift 250 pounds and move at a steady pace.

You should keep posting.

Sajedene

Group what? Have you been reading this thread? Majority of the reasons are based on men's emotional reaction to a woman on the field. The reasoning that women are physically weak can easily be answered by "if they pass the test..." if its finances, I say, bring out the books. As I said, I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

And dude, if I was already in to have a commander yell at me and tell me I'm not right for a mission, then I would be smart enough to know that he is right. I want to live too you know. But dont worry, I wont be joining the military. And thank you for your wonderful assumptions and gender bias. Thank you.

You should keep posting too.

I wasnt the one who made a reply with no substance other than to say i was bookmarking the thread for "who is the weaker sex".

Vindictive.

1.disposed or inclined to revenge; vengeful: a vindictive person. 2.proceeding from or showing a revengeful spirit: vindictive rumors.

I say this because your proving them right. You cant even keep your cool in a thread and start saying things like "I am gonna use this as ammunition later! hehe" and stuff.

And I didnt say women should keep posting. Just you. Because your proving all of the posts about distractions and such right. One could say, if you did join which you obviously said you wouldnt, that you might be the type of person to hammer someone at the mess hall about something they did on the battlefield and cause unneeded drama. Heck maybe even do it on the battlefield later, since you seem bent on noting things to use as ammunition later on.

Just taking it from what your doing right now.

The current rule is that US Navy and US Coast Guard(New rule) military personell can become Navy(OR CG) SEALs, but only if they're male.

Women can be EODs, which get similar training to SEALs, Royal Marines, or Delta Force, but they can't be SEALs.

What are your thoughts on this?

-TheSecondSign-

First off, EOD is no where close to training that SEALs and other spec ops get. EOD is 7 months at an Air Force base where you go to class, do some practical application outside, then go back to your room and relax until the next day. You get weekends and holidays and food and shelter, a full night's sleep, and basically everything that guys going through spec ops indoc course don't get.

Second, there isn't a woman on earth who could complete it at the same level as men. Heck, 80 percent of men can't get through BUDS. How on earth is a woman going to? She simply doesn't have the muscle density to do what is required. Log PT, boat PT, fireman's carry (a 200lb male, BTW), swim like a fish, run for miles like its fun, and be able to hike all day with 100lbs on your back.

In order to even consider a woman, you'd have to elimate any sort of leveling of the playing field that women currently get for PT standards. No bonus times, no assisted pushups, no flexed arm hang instead of pullups. I have yet to meet a woman who can do that.

Finally there is what I refer to as "sexual tension." Basically, you put attractive men and women together, and they're gonna become "horizontally involved." Its human nature. No changing it. The problem is that you need to be a lot more objective than that when in combat. Especially when its you, her, and two other guys way deep in enemy territory.

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]This thread is fabulous! All I am reading is that women shouldnt be allowed in the military/combat/Seals/whatever because it exposes men's weakness. God forbid we let that happen. Sajedene

Yeah, God forbid our military fails it's mission because women couldn't phsyically complete their job. :roll:

Assuming that a woman gets in wouldnt it be because she PASSED all of the training just like the men do? So that argument of yours is pointless.

All of the plausible arguments are because "oh she'll get raped" or "oh the man cant handle seeing a woman killed"

Worthwhile on who's part? You're saying you'd rather lose 1 competent woman over say 5 incompetent men/shorthanded troops all because of her gender and the idea that you men are so weak that you wouldnt be able to function with her there?

Based on what study? All I am hearing are assumptions. Training military forces is an expense in itself. But if we can have the best of the best in a team, irregardless of gender, I will gladly put my tax dollars for that.

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Stop grouping everyone together as there are many reasons.

Your listing one.

Emotional vindictive nature. Your the type that is a problem. Some people say one thing, and regardless of what else is said that has nothing to do with who is emotionally weaker, you get vindictive and group everyone together and become confrontational.

Maybe the others are right. If your commander said your not strong enough to rush over and physically do the job so that the rest of the troops can cross safely that you would start screaming about how weak men are and that women are just as strong and able as anyone else in the unit. Regardless of the fact that you might NOT be able to lift 250 pounds and move at a steady pace.

You should keep posting.

CreasianDevaili

Group what? Have you been reading this thread? Majority of the reasons are based on men's emotional reaction to a woman on the field. The reasoning that women are physically weak can easily be answered by "if they pass the test..." if its finances, I say, bring out the books. As I said, I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

And dude, if I was already in to have a commander yell at me and tell me I'm not right for a mission, then I would be smart enough to know that he is right. I want to live too you know. But dont worry, I wont be joining the military. And thank you for your wonderful assumptions and gender bias. Thank you.

You should keep posting too.

I wasnt the one who made a reply with no substance other than to say i was bookmarking the thread for "who is the weaker sex".

Vindictive.

1.disposed or inclined to revenge; vengeful: a vindictive person. 2.proceeding from or showing a revengeful spirit: vindictive rumors.

I say this because your proving them right. You cant even keep your cool in a thread and start saying things like "I am gonna use this as ammunition later! hehe" and stuff.

And I didnt say women should keep posting. Just you. Because your proving all of the posts about distractions and such right. One could say, if you did join which you obviously said you wouldnt, that you might be the type of person to hammer someone at the mess hall about something they did on the battlefield and cause unneeded drama. Heck maybe even do it on the battlefield later, since you seem bent on noting things to use as ammunition later on.

Just taking it from what your doing right now.

Actually I find the whole thread hilarious and if you took what I said seriously about bookmarking this well ... lol. You actually think I would do that? Wow.

Now maybe I think I really should. Since I'm so vindictive and all. I might as well live up to your expectations.

[QUOTE="MrArmageddon8"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"]

I don't think women should be Navy SEALS. For thousands of years warriors were always men.

mohfrontline

There are tons of historical examples of women in warfare. Look at some of the Germanic tribes the Roman's faced which had women fight in their armies. They were suppose to be some of the most fierce and determined fighters some soldiers ever went up against. There was also the Amazon's in Ancient Greece.

last I checked those tribes don't even exist anymore. I wonder why....

That argument doesn't make any sense. Every nation that was in the ancient world no longer exist for many different factors, not because they had women in their military. Nation's that had exclusively men in their military back then don't exist anymore either.

No, women should not be SEALS.

Nor should men. It is a crime against God to change your species.

Theokhoth

After reading nine pages of this, that was awsome.

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

DarkPrinceXC

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

Theokhoth

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

Yes. Your point?

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me. DarkPrinceXC

It's a scary thought for me to know that someone so weak minded could be serving for my country if something as trivial as gender could cause a failed mission -- all in their head for that matter.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

Theokhoth

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

Its not about pain threshold. It about ability. Women do not have the same physical strength as men. Its a biological fact.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me. Sajedene

It's a scary thought for me to know that someone so weak minded could be serving for my country if something as trivial as gender could cause a failed mission -- all in their head for that matter.

Until you experience the military for yourself, I don't think you should be the one to try and change one of it's policies. Especially when it has no affect on you. Trust me when I say that it would become a huge problem. Oh wait, it ALREADY IS A PROBLEM! Talk to ANYBODY from a non-infantry unit that has women in it. Sorry, I'd rather be "weak minded" as you put it, and have all of my Marines be able to focus on their job, than having some of them die because they're trying to take care of the weaker link. I'm all for women's rights, and I do respect them that they want to have a place in the military. But let's stop with the feminist BS for a while. ;)

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

DarkPrinceXC

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

Yes. Your point?

My point, is that when hurt, you're more likely to lie there in pain whereas a woman may be more useful.

Military isn't all about physical strength.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

Theokhoth

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

Yes. Your point?

My point, is that when hurt, you're more likely to lie there in pain whereas a woman may be more useful.

Military isn't all about physical strength. God, I hate close-minded sexists.:roll:

I'm a realist. And I think I know a little bit about what the military "is all about", being a part of it and all.

To the "biological fact" heads, what about gay men in the army? Theokhoth

What about them? If you are openly gay you will be administratively seperated.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me. DarkPrinceXC

It's a scary thought for me to know that someone so weak minded could be serving for my country if something as trivial as gender could cause a failed mission -- all in their head for that matter.

Until you experience the military for yourself, I don't think you should be the one to try and change one of it's policies. Especially when it has no affect on you. Trust me when I say that it would become a huge problem. Oh wait, it ALREADY IS A PROBLEM! Talk to ANYBODY from a non-infantry unit that has women in it. Sorry, I'd rather be "weak minded" as you put it, and have all of my Marines be able to focus on their job, than having some of them die because they're trying to take care of the weaker link. I'm all for women's rights, and I do respect them that they want to have a place in the military. But let's stop with the feminist BS for a while. ;)

I actually come from a strong military and political background so I know why I dont want to be one. And I stand by what I said. Its not feminism at this point. Its just at the fact that someone has so little of a view of his marines and their emotional and mental strength ... not based on 1st hand experience but based on his own fears and assumptions.

I do not see why not.

The only problem I see is that girls are Satan spawns , but I guess that will be a plus , rather then a negative.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]To the "biological fact" heads, what about gay men in the army? DarkPrinceXC

What about them? If you are openly gay you will be administratively seperated.

Watkins Vs. The United States Army would like a word with you. Now answer my question.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I'm a realist. And I think I know a little bit about what the military "is all about", being a part of it and all.

Theokhoth

Being a part of it.:lol:

Do you honestly think that because you're a part of it, that you know everything about it? If so, then you're more close-minded than you've been letting on.

Do you realize the ramifications of a women joining an INFANTRY PLATOON? I don't think you do. There's a reason they're not in the infantry, and that's because it's been such a problem with them in the non-infantry jobs. I'm not saying I know everything about it. I do know, however, that having women integrated with men in the infantry will cause serious problems!

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]To the "biological fact" heads, what about gay men in the army? Theokhoth

What about them? If you are openly gay you will be administratively seperated.

Watkins Vs. The United States Army would like a word with you. Now answer my question.

I understand that ruling, trust me. Since I've been in, I've known of one homosexual who has been discharged. He openly admitted it, and he was seperated. He didn't fight it because he wanted to get out I think, I'm not positive. What is your question? What about gay men in the military?

Do you realize the ramifications of a women joining an INFANTRY PLATOON?

DarkPrinceXC

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me. DarkPrinceXC

It's a scary thought for me to know that someone so weak minded could be serving for my country if something as trivial as gender could cause a failed mission -- all in their head for that matter.

Until you experience the military for yourself, I don't think you should be the one to try and change one of it's policies. Especially when it has no affect on you. Trust me when I say that it would become a huge problem. Oh wait, it ALREADY IS A PROBLEM! Talk to ANYBODY from a non-infantry unit that has women in it. Sorry, I'd rather be "weak minded" as you put it, and have all of my Marines be able to focus on their job, than having some of them die because they're trying to take care of the weaker link. I'm all for women's rights, and I do respect them that they want to have a place in the military. But let's stop with the feminist BS for a while. ;)

Navy seals dont have weak people. You cant just say "Oh, I want to be a Navy Seal and become one." You have to be the best of the best to pass their training, and if a woman can pass the training that means that they are stronger and better than every single man that didn't. Your statement does not apply in this situation.