Should women be allowed to be Navy SEALs?

I understand that ruling, trust me. Since I've been in, I've known of one homosexual who has been discharged. He openly admitted it, and he was seperated. He didn't fight it because he wanted to get out I think, I'm not positive. What is your question? What about gay men in the military?

DarkPrinceXC

Then the person who discharged him committed a federal crime.

Women are physically weaker than men mainly due to differences in hormone levels. Gay men have more female hormones than straight men, therefore are more likely to be less physically fit. Should gay men, based on that, not be allowed in the army?

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Do you realize the ramifications of a women joining an INFANTRY PLATOON?

Theokhoth

I'm aware that there are women lieutenants, commanders, officers, recruits, and have been for many years now, and our army has hardly fallen apart, despite being in the middle of two wars.

I'm talking about Combat MOS. Thank you though, I'm well aware that there are females in the military.

Guybrush_3, I understand what you're saying. I'm not saying the female is weak at all. I realize there's plenty of women that are stronger than men. But to put them with men in the infantry is just stupid. Trust me, there's already enough drama and bs without them here.

I'm talking about Combat MOS.

DarkPrinceXC

So am I. There are women in there, as well. Can you give any examples of women ruining these without going "oh, just ask someone!"?

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I understand that ruling, trust me. Since I've been in, I've known of one homosexual who has been discharged. He openly admitted it, and he was seperated. He didn't fight it because he wanted to get out I think, I'm not positive. What is your question? What about gay men in the military?

Theokhoth

Then the person who discharged him committed a federal crime.

Women are physically weaker than men mainly due to differences in hormone levels. Gay men have more female hormones than straight men, therefore are more likely to be less physically fit. Should gay men, based on that, not be allowed in the army?

I'm not saying women should not be allowed in the military at all....... And no, I don't think gay men should be in the military, and I think you'll be hardpressed to find any other service member that disagrees with me. You guys have a pretty distorted view on how the military actually works. :P

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I'm talking about Combat MOS.

Theokhoth

So am I. There are women in there, as well. Can you give asny examples of women ruining these without going "oh, just ask someone!"?

Um, there are? I'm not aware of any female in a Combat MOS.

If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?xXBuffJeffXx

Oh, I'm sure they proved the cohesion part.

I'm not saying women should not be allowed in the military at all....... And no, I don't think gay men should be in the military, and I think you'll be hardpressed to find any other service member that disagrees with me.

DarkPrinceXC

Oh, I don't think it'll be that hard.

So should gay men be allowed in combat platoons?

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]>

Group what? Have you been reading this thread? Majority of the reasons are based on men's emotional reaction to a woman on the field. The reasoning that women are physically weak can easily be answered by "if they pass the test..." if its finances, I say, bring out the books. As I said, I'd gladly put my tax dollars having the best of the best in there.

And dude, if I was already in to have a commander yell at me and tell me I'm not right for a mission, then I would be smart enough to know that he is right. I want to live too you know. But dont worry, I wont be joining the military. And thank you for your wonderful assumptions and gender bias. Thank you.

You should keep posting too.

Sajedene

Canada's great and all but they're not the first country I would use as an example when it comes to military warfare.

If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?xXBuffJeffXx

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I'm talking about Combat MOS.

DarkPrinceXC

So am I. There are women in there, as well. Can you give asny examples of women ruining these without going "oh, just ask someone!"?

Um, there are? I'm not aware of any female in a Combat MOS.

As far as the Army is concerned, they are only in MP. That's why they call it the women's infantry.:lol:

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I'm not saying women should not be allowed in the military at all....... And no, I don't think gay men should be in the military, and I think you'll be hardpressed to find any other service member that disagrees with me.

Theokhoth

Oh, I don't think it'll be that hard.

So should gay men be allowed in combat platoons?

2.5% of the military? That's definitely a majority you have there. :P

Like I said, I don't think they should be allowed in the military. Have ABSOLUTELY no problem with homosexuals. However, there are many people in the military that do. Like I said, unneeded drama.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

Theokhoth

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

i seem to remember there was a study on this and they could wisthstand more but they reacted earlyer

Whoever heard of a French, seventeen-year-old girl leading an entire army?

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I'm talking about Combat MOS.

xXBuffJeffXx

So am I. There are women in there, as well. Can you give asny examples of women ruining these without going "oh, just ask someone!"?

Um, there are? I'm not aware of any female in a Combat MOS.

As far as the Army is concerned, they are only in MP. That's why they call it the women's infantry.:lol:

I know, but MPs aren't considered as being under a "Combat MOS".

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?DarkPrinceXC

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

You make it seem like that doesnt happen in any work environment. Heck, if women weren't around I'm sure there are other ways to release sexual tensions -- irregardless of gender.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?Sajedene

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

You make it seem like that doesnt happen in any work environment. Heck, if women weren't around I'm sure there are other ways to release sexual tensions -- irregardless of gender.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me.

Theokhoth

You ARE aware that women, having to develop the means to bear children and all, have a much higher pain threshold than men (they can stand more pain), right?

Yes. Your point?

My point, is that when hurt, you're more likely to lie there in pain whereas a woman may be more useful.

Military isn't all about physical strength.

i doubt it matters if you're a man or a women if you've been shot

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

I'm talking about Combat MOS.

DarkPrinceXC

So am I. There are women in there, as well. Can you give asny examples of women ruining these without going "oh, just ask someone!"?

Um, there are? I'm not aware of any female in a Combat MOS.

As far as the Army is concerned, they are only in MP. That's why they call it the women's infantry.:lol:

I know, but MPs aren't considered as being under a "Combat MOS".

I don't know how the Marine Corps. works, but in the Army it constitutes a combat MOS.

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]Sorry, you don't choose where your tax dollars go. Go ahead, call men weak minded, I really don't care. The fact is, woman would hinder any mission, so for that, I don't want them fighting along side me. Guybrush_3

It's a scary thought for me to know that someone so weak minded could be serving for my country if something as trivial as gender could cause a failed mission -- all in their head for that matter.

Until you experience the military for yourself, I don't think you should be the one to try and change one of it's policies. Especially when it has no affect on you. Trust me when I say that it would become a huge problem. Oh wait, it ALREADY IS A PROBLEM! Talk to ANYBODY from a non-infantry unit that has women in it. Sorry, I'd rather be "weak minded" as you put it, and have all of my Marines be able to focus on their job, than having some of them die because they're trying to take care of the weaker link. I'm all for women's rights, and I do respect them that they want to have a place in the military. But let's stop with the feminist BS for a while. ;)

Navy seals dont have weak people. You cant just say "Oh, I want to be a Navy Seal and become one." You have to be the best of the best to pass their training, and if a woman can pass the training that means that they are stronger and better than every single man that didn't. Your statement does not apply in this situation.

weak is a comparitive term and the women would beweaker as they would have had less experiance than the team they were joining

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?Dasacant

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

You make it seem like that doesnt happen in any work environment. Heck, if women weren't around I'm sure there are other ways to release sexual tensions -- irregardless of gender.

Exactly. We're not talking about office jobs.

irregardless

Sajedene

HALT!

"Irregardless" is not a word. The prefix "ir" denotes a negative, but the word "regardless" is already a negative due to the suffix "less," so the word "irregardless" makes no grammatical sense.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?Dasacant

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

You make it seem like that doesnt happen in any work environment. Heck, if women weren't around I'm sure there are other ways to release sexual tensions -- irregardless of gender.

You'd be surprised at the crazies. Crazy is crazy wherever you go. And I remember seeing in the news about a husband and wife who are both serving in the Iraq war together. Hmm...

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

irregardless

Theokhoth

HALT!

"Irregardless" is not a word. The prefix "ir" denotes a negative, but the word "regardless" is already a negative due to the suffix "less," so the word "irregardless" makes no grammatical sense.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?Sajedene

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

You make it seem like that doesnt happen in any work environment. Heck, if women weren't around I'm sure there are other ways to release sexual tensions -- irregardless of gender.

You'd be surprised at the crazies. Crazy is crazy wherever you go. And I remember seeing in the news about a husband and wife who are both serving in the Iraq war together. Hmm...

Did you see this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/16/national/main3719415.shtml?source=mostpop_story

[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]If I'm not mistaken, the military has conducted empirical studies on this. I remember bt_the_great saying that a unit he was with tested out an integrated approach and a few soldiers were caught having sex within days. What do you think that does for unit cohesion?Sajedene

It happens already. There were many women that shared the same ship as us this last deployment, and there were quite a few investigations going on. You aren't allowed to have sexual relations on a US Military Ship. There were pr0ns made with them and passed around, 2 female Marines were sent home mid-deployment because they got pregnant, and now will most likely be dischared.

You make it seem like that doesnt happen in any work environment. Heck, if women weren't around I'm sure there are other ways to release sexual tensions -- irregardless of gender.

You'd be surprised at the crazies. Crazy is crazy wherever you go. And I remember seeing in the news about a husband and wife who are both serving in the Iraq war together. Hmm...

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

irregardless

Sajedene

HALT!

"Irregardless" is not a word. The prefix "ir" denotes a negative, but the word "regardless" is already a negative due to the suffix "less," so the word "irregardless" makes no grammatical sense.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless

From your link:

Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

irregardless

Theokhoth

HALT!

"Irregardless" is not a word. The prefix "ir" denotes a negative, but the word "regardless" is already a negative due to the suffix "less," so the word "irregardless" makes no grammatical sense.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless

From your link:

Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable.Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.

Thanks. Makes it easier to point out since you took it out of the link.

Thanks. Makes it easier to point out since you took it out of the link.

Sajedene

Educated speakers using it =/= it being correct usage. What it means is that it's a common mistake made even by experts. ;) Nonstandard means incorrect.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Thanks. Makes it easier to point out since you took it out of the link.

Theokhoth

Educated speakers using it =/= it being correct usage. What it means is that it's a common mistake made even by experts. ;) Nonstandard means incorrect.

Well its FUNNER to use it.

No, because women aren't men. :xharashawn

Wow, what a crazy thread.

Should women be SEALS? Well, that depends. I propose a small pilot project for testing purposes.

Are they willing to accept the verbal sparring that I've been told occurs? Any right to complain about harassment would be forfeit.

I would imagine there is a sense of comradery in SEAL companies. So long as neither male nor femalecorrupts that comradery for any personal interest in another SEAL of the opposite sex, and all members are treated equally.

So long as the women in testing are as physically able, also. That includes every scenario they're trained for.

Once a test run/pilot project like that goes through, I don't really see any reason for people to say "Hey, let's bring women into elite infantry units so long as they can pass the physical testing." There's more to it than that, and there's no way the military would compromise an entire unit if one unit caused disruption. It's like in one of the World Wars, if you saluted your superior, you were...well, either killed or sent home... because you just potentially gave your leader's identity away to the enemy. You're only as strong as your weak link, even if it's an indirect cause.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]SEALs require lots of physical energy, and males are more than capable of handling It.-TheSecondSign-

EODs require the same level of physical standard, as well as additional standards.

Not really. EOD personnel are just bomb techs. SEALS operate behind enemy lines in extremely hostile environments.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]SEALs require lots of physical energy, and males are more than capable of handling It.Frattracide

EODs require the same level of physical standard, as well as additional standards.

Not really. EOD personnel are just bomb techs. SEALS operate behind enemy lines in extremely hostile environments.

Yeah, I think the whole EOD perception is also pretty distorted. Oh well.

I must say that reading this topic and sharing with some of the laughs and frustrations made me join so I could put my two cents in.

dmtaoist

You could have given us your two cents a couple of months ago, back when this topic was active.:roll:

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] If they can pass the physical and mental tests it takes to be a SEAL why not?DarkPrinceXC

Because it's distracting to the SEAL team.

How so ? I have a hard time imagining a ripped female SEAL wearing camo being all that attractive. :?

[QUOTE="dmtaoist"]

I must say that reading this topic and sharing with some of the laughs and frustrations made me join so I could put my two cents in.

Theokhoth

You could have given us your two cents a couple of months ago, back when this topic was active.:roll:

The women POW argument is also a good reason. Some of you may think that it's a BS excuse, but we do have a point. Just take a second to think about it.

I would highly suggest that before posting, please read my first post on the previous page. It's a bit of a read, but I'm hoping it will cut down on the "If they can meet the physical standards..." statements that seemed to be prevelant the whole discussion.