Since when has being at a convenience store been wrong?

I'm hanging out with my friend. Its abouteleven at night.Her cousin calls her, tells her he's coming to her house to talk to her grandparents about his up coming fight. He's an MMA fighter. So we go to the convenient store to wait for him. While we're there she goes in, when she comes out she sees some friends of hers, they sit and talk for a couple minutes. Then when her cousin arrives she leaves with him.

Okay. So I leave. On my way home I get pulled over. The cops says I crossed the white line a few time. My Jeep pulls slightly to the left and I was trying to get my CD player to work. He asks me for my lisence, I forgot my wallet at home, and my insurance. I have four expired insurance papers in there and I can't find my current one. I eventually find it. He makes me get out. He talks to me. Asks me if I had been drinking and what not, asks me where I'm going, where I'm coming from, asks me what my friend and her friend were talking about; I'm nervous, the cops in this town have a bad reputation.

He asks to search me. I let him. He asks if I have anything in my Jeep and tells me he had a dog in his car. I didn't have anything. So I let him search that. Comes back and asks me the last time I smoked pot. I told him the truth, over a month before. Then he asks me when I last had it in my car. About the same time. He said he could smell it. Okay. I don't see how thats possible. It reaks of cigarettes and cologne, and the floor board is covered in dirt in mud. I hear something on his radio, he responds "He's okay," then continues talking to me. He lets me go.

I talk to my friend later and found out they pulled them over and her friends. Searched all of them. I'm pretty sure they were looking to get a drug bust.

Sorry about the text wall by the way.

Edit:

BY THE WAY I FIND THIS HUMOROUS.

Loitering is wrong (here in the US) But that does not really match up with your post. Cops can pull you over with reasonable cause. Your driving (crossing the lines) gave him probable causerawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Loitering is wrong (here in the US) But that does not really match up with your post. Cops can pull you over with reasonable cause. Your driving (crossing the lines) gave him probable causesexy-hippo

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Loitering is wrong (here in the US) But that does not really match up with your post. Cops can pull you over with reasonable cause. Your driving (crossing the lines) gave him probable causesexy-hippo

I would assume because you can buy cigarrettes and alcohol there.

Our "problem" area is actually the movie theater here. Friday nights there's usually at least a half dozen cops just standing outside. I showed up for a movie 45 minutes early and stood outside talking to my friend while waiting (I'm 24 mind you, not 17), and the cops basically berated us for "loitering," which is incredibly stupid if you're WAITING FOR YOUR MOVIE TO START.

Okay, so let me get this straight: You were swerving because you weren't paying attention to the road in the middle of the night, you were driving without a license, and your car smells like marijuana. Clearly the cop was somehow at fault.

Okay, so let me get this straight: You were swerving because you weren't paying attention to the road, you were driving without a license, and your car smells like marijuana. Clearly the cop was somehow at fault.Theokhoth

Yeah I was thinking this too, but I thought I'd be nice :P

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]Loitering is wrong (here in the US) But that does not really match up with your post. Cops can pull you over with reasonable cause. Your driving (crossing the lines) gave him probable causerawsavon

Okay, so let me get this straight: You were swerving because you weren't paying attention to the road in the middle of the night, you were driving without a license, and your car smells like marijuana. Clearly the cop was somehow at fault.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Okay, so let me get this straight: You were swerving because you weren't paying attention to the road in the middle of the night, you were driving without a license, and your car smells like marijuana. Clearly the cop was somehow at fault.

sexy-hippo

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] If I hadn't been there he wouldn't have been following me.sexy-hippo

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Okay, so let me get this straight: You were swerving because you weren't paying attention to the road in the middle of the night, you were driving without a license, and your car smells like marijuana. Clearly the cop was somehow at fault.

sexy-hippo

I don't see a problem.

You can't press a few buttons on a CD player without going over the lines? :| Finally, you still drove without a license, which is, in a very polite word, irresponsible. You would have gone to jail in my state.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]You can't press a few buttons on a CD player without going over the lines? :| Finally, you still drove without a license, which is, in a very polite word, irresponsible. You would have gone to jail in my state.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Then you should not have been loitering, should you? -that or drive w/out giving him cause to pull you overrawsavon

Even if you give them business? The other guys were getting gas and they still followed the. I wouldn't exactly say they were loitering.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Define loitering.sexy-hippo

Even if you give them business? The other guys were getting gas and they still followed the. I wouldn't exactly say they were loitering.

You were driving without your license? And he let you go? :|Dark__Link

Okay, so let me get this straight: You were swerving because you weren't paying attention to the road in the middle of the night, you were driving without a license, and your car smells like marijuana. Clearly the cop was somehow at fault.

You swerve over the line unintentionaly at night. You do it once and he continues following you. You do it again and then a third time, Ok maybe you are drunk. You get pulled over and cop talks to you and doesn't smell alcoholic beverage on your breath and decides to pull you out of the car to see how steady you are on your feet. You have balance and he may now be thinking that you could possibly be high. Asks when the last time you smoked pot and if you've ever had it in the car. Did he smell pot? Maybe, that stench can hang around forever. He searches the car and finds nothing. You have no proof of insurance and are not carrying a license. He had every reason to pull you over and he went through his steps to see if you were not driving dui or under the influence of drugs and then doesn'twrite you for not having proof of insurance and no license in hand and he is still the bad guy? Lets say you were drunk or high, he may have saved your life or someone elses if you had gotten into an accident. It's called doing a job and it may not seem normal and may seem harrassing but there is more going on and a prosess cops go through to get the truth because believe it or not, people lie more than they tell the truth. Because of this everyone suffers. No reason to think you were victimized, you just had a cop do his job and do it well. You should be thankful. Also, convenience stores are huge hangouts for drug dealing and for minors trying to buy alcohol and tobacco. Again, it's about a cop knowing his beat and investigating possible suspicious activity.

You wrote, "So we go to the convenient store to wait for him" That is loitering. Definition: Loitering is the act of remaining in a particular public place for a protracted time. Under certain circumstances, it is illegal in various jurisdictions.rawsavon

Even if you give them business? The other guys were getting gas and they still followed the. I wouldn't exactly say they were loitering.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

Even if you give them business? The other guys were getting gas and they still followed the. I wouldn't exactly say they were loitering.

sexy-hippo

YOU were loitering if YOU did not buy anything.
-a bunch of you show up, someone buys a drink, someone else arrives, you all leave...could be seen as suspicious

Also, the cops had probable cause to pull you over b/c of your driving.
The cop was VERY lenient with you.

In all honesty, your thread should have been just how thankful you are to have not received a ticket

You swerve over the line unintentionaly at night. You do it once and he continues following you. You do it again and then a third time, Ok maybe you are drunk. You get pulled over and cop talks to you and doesn't smell alcoholic beverage on your breath and decides to pull you out of the car to see how steady you are on your feet. You have balance and he may now be thinking that you could possibly be high. Asks when the last time you smoked pot and if you've ever had it in the car. Did he smell pot? Maybe, that stench can hang around forever. He searches the car and finds nothing. You have no proof of insurance and are not carrying a license. He had every reason to pull you over and he went through his steps to see if you were not driving dui or under the influence of drugs and then doesn'twrite you for not having proof of insurance and no license in hand and he is still the bad guy? Lets say you were drunk or high, he may have saved your life or someone elses if you had gotten into an accident. It's called doing a job and it may not seem normal and may seem harrassing but there is more going on and a prosess cops go through to get the truth because believe it or not, people lie more than they tell the truth. Because of this everyone suffers. No reason to think you were victimized, you just had a cop do his job and do it well. You should be thankful. Also, convenience stores are huge hangouts for drug dealing and for minors trying to buy alcohol and tobacco. Again, it's about a cop knowing his beat and investigating possible suspicious activity.

drufeous

1 more thing, he let you go. You obviously were truthful and cooperative and that obviously didn't go unnoticedas you would be going home with 2 tickets and walking for not having a license in hand.

Edit: Sorry quoted wrong post.

You swerve over the line unintentionaly at night. You do it once and he continues following you. You do it again and then a third time, Ok maybe you are drunk. You get pulled over and cop talks to you and doesn't smell alcoholic beverage on your breath and decides to pull you out of the car to see how steady you are on your feet. You have balance and he may now be thinking that you could possibly be high. Asks when the last time you smoked pot and if you've ever had it in the car. Did he smell pot? Maybe, that stench can hang around forever. He searches the car and finds nothing. You have no proof of insurance and are not carrying a license. He had every reason to pull you over and he went through his steps to see if you were not driving dui or under the influence of drugs and then doesn'twrite you for not having proof of insurance and no license in hand and he is still the bad guy? Lets say you were drunk or high, he may have saved your life or someone elses if you had gotten into an accident. It's called doing a job and it may not seem normal and may seem harrassing but there is more going on and a prosess cops go through to get the truth because believe it or not, people lie more than they tell the truth. Because of this everyone suffers. No reason to think you were victimized, you just had a cop do his job and do it well. You should be thankful. Also, convenience stores are huge hangouts for drug dealing and for minors trying to buy alcohol and tobacco. Again, it's about a cop knowing his beat and investigating possible suspicious activity.

drufeous

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Did you give them business? If not, you were loitering. Also, if you just wait around after your business is done, that is also loitering. The law is meant to curb drug transactions, propositioning a hooker, and stop bums from hanging around -otherwise, someone could buy a 10 cent piece of gum and stay around all dayrawsavon

YOU were loitering if YOU did not buy anything.
-a bunch of you show up, someone buys a drink, someone else arrives, you all leave...could be seen as suspicious

Also, the cops had probable cause to pull you over b/c of your driving.
The cop was VERY lenient with you.

In all honesty, your thread should have been just how thankful you are to have not received a ticket

[QUOTE="drufeous"]

You swerve over the line unintentionaly at night. You do it once and he continues following you. You do it again and then a third time, Ok maybe you are drunk. You get pulled over and cop talks to you and doesn't smell alcoholic beverage on your breath and decides to pull you out of the car to see how steady you are on your feet. You have balance and he may now be thinking that you could possibly be high. Asks when the last time you smoked pot and if you've ever had it in the car. Did he smell pot? Maybe, that stench can hang around forever. He searches the car and finds nothing. You have no proof of insurance and are not carrying a license. He had every reason to pull you over and he went through his steps to see if you were not driving dui or under the influence of drugs and then doesn'twrite you for not having proof of insurance and no license in hand and he is still the bad guy? Lets say you were drunk or high, he may have saved your life or someone elses if you had gotten into an accident. It's called doing a job and it may not seem normal and may seem harrassing but there is more going on and a prosess cops go through to get the truth because believe it or not, people lie more than they tell the truth. Because of this everyone suffers. No reason to think you were victimized, you just had a cop do his job and do it well. You should be thankful. Also, convenience stores are huge hangouts for drug dealing and for minors trying to buy alcohol and tobacco. Again, it's about a cop knowing his beat and investigating possible suspicious activity.

sexy-hippo

When did I say he made you walk the line? He can see if you are steady or not on your feet once you get out of the vehicle and stand on your feet. Ok, I missed the insurance thing. And you say you are certain that you crossed the line twice even though you were fussing with the cd player. So you were counting the amount of times you swerved while messing with a cd player? And he was hell bent on searching for drugs because you were probably leaving a known drug area. That is why all the cars got searched. It's not that hard to figure out. Forget the loitering crap, that just helps build his probably cause.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Like I said. She bought a drink. When she came out she talked with her friends and then her cousin showed up. Two minute conversation tops.sexy-hippo

YOU were loitering if YOU did not buy anything.
-a bunch of you show up, someone buys a drink, someone else arrives, you all leave...could be seen as suspicious

Also, the cops had probable cause to pull you over b/c of your driving.
The cop was VERY lenient with you.

In all honesty, your thread should have been just how thankful you are to have not received a ticket

You don't really seem to listen to what I say

1. YOU did not buy anything. YOU were loitering
2. a bunch of kids waiting around after their business is done is loitering...those same kids waiting for someone else to arrive and then leaving is suspicious
(for the reasons I named behind loitering laws)
3. Your driving gave the cop probable cause to pull you over...THAT IS YOUR FAULT
4. You did not have your license...that = a ticket at the very minimum
5. The cop was nice to you...you should be grateful

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

YOU were loitering if YOU did not buy anything.
-a bunch of you show up, someone buys a drink, someone else arrives, you all leave...could be seen as suspicious

Also, the cops had probable cause to pull you over b/c of your driving.
The cop was VERY lenient with you.

In all honesty, your thread should have been just how thankful you are to have not received a ticket

rawsavon

You don't really seem to listen to what I say

1. YOU did not buy anything. YOU were loitering
2. a bunch of kids waiting around after their business is done is loitering...those same kids waiting for someone else to arrive and then leaving is suspicious
(for the reasons I named behind loitering laws)
3. Your driving gave the cop probable cause to pull you over...THAT IS YOUR FAULT
4. You did not have your license...that = a ticket at the very minimum
5. The cop was nice to you...you should be grateful

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="drufeous"]

You swerve over the line unintentionaly at night. You do it once and he continues following you. You do it again and then a third time, Ok maybe you are drunk. You get pulled over and cop talks to you and doesn't smell alcoholic beverage on your breath and decides to pull you out of the car to see how steady you are on your feet. You have balance and he may now be thinking that you could possibly be high. Asks when the last time you smoked pot and if you've ever had it in the car. Did he smell pot? Maybe, that stench can hang around forever. He searches the car and finds nothing. You have no proof of insurance and are not carrying a license. He had every reason to pull you over and he went through his steps to see if you were not driving dui or under the influence of drugs and then doesn'twrite you for not having proof of insurance and no license in hand and he is still the bad guy? Lets say you were drunk or high, he may have saved your life or someone elses if you had gotten into an accident. It's called doing a job and it may not seem normal and may seem harrassing but there is more going on and a prosess cops go through to get the truth because believe it or not, people lie more than they tell the truth. Because of this everyone suffers. No reason to think you were victimized, you just had a cop do his job and do it well. You should be thankful. Also, convenience stores are huge hangouts for drug dealing and for minors trying to buy alcohol and tobacco. Again, it's about a cop knowing his beat and investigating possible suspicious activity.

drufeous

When did I say he made you walk the line? He can see if you are steady or not on your feet once you get out of the vehicle and stand on your feet. Ok, I missed the insurance thing. And you say you are certain that you crossed the line twice even though you were fussing with the cd player. So you were counting the amount of times you swerved while messing with a cd player? And he was hell bent on searching for drugs because you were probably leaving a known drug area. That is why all the cars got searched. It's not that hard to figure out. Forget the loitering crap, that just helps build his probably cause.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] You keep leaving out the guys getting gas.

sexy-hippo

You don't really seem to listen to what I say

1. YOU did not buy anything. YOU were loitering
2. a bunch of kids waiting around after their business is done is loitering...those same kids waiting for someone else to arrive and then leaving is suspicious
(for the reasons I named behind loitering laws)
3. Your driving gave the cop probable cause to pull you over...THAT IS YOUR FAULT
4. You did not have your license...that = a ticket at the very minimum
5. The cop was nice to you...you should be grateful

Do you always drive so badly as well while being followed by a cop?

TBH, I have no idea why you made this thread or what you are complaining about

[QUOTE="drufeous"]

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Um. He never made me walk a line. I had insurance. I had problems finding it. I said that. And he said I went over the line a couple times. I know it wasn't three times. I know for a fact it was twice. If even that. It wasn't in a short amount of time either, I was half way home. When he got there he was set on searching me for drugs. Same with the other two cars involved.sexy-hippo

When did I say he made you walk the line? He can see if you are steady or not on your feet once you get out of the vehicle and stand on your feet. Ok, I missed the insurance thing. And you say you are certain that you crossed the line twice even though you were fussing with the cd player. So you were counting the amount of times you swerved while messing with a cd player? And he was hell bent on searching for drugs because you were probably leaving a known drug area. That is why all the cars got searched. It's not that hard to figure out. Forget the loitering crap, that just helps build his probably cause.

Not at all true. I'm telling you this from experience. I'm a cop, I've done this hundreds of times. If I suspect alcohol, I have you step out so I can talk to you and see you stand on your feet. Also to see if I smell alcohol on your breath or in your vehicle. You start swaying or fall then its walk the line time. You think you swerved twice when in all actuality it was probably 3-5 times.You're in a high drug area, he asks to search your car/friends cars. Finds nothing and lets you go. That is textbook police work. I've done it many many times. Again it's not that hard to figure out.

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

You don't really seem to listen to what I say

1. YOU did not buy anything. YOU were loitering
2. a bunch of kids waiting around after their business is done is loitering...those same kids waiting for someone else to arrive and then leaving is suspicious
(for the reasons I named behind loitering laws)
3. Your driving gave the cop probable cause to pull you over...THAT IS YOUR FAULT
4. You did not have your license...that = a ticket at the very minimum
5. The cop was nice to you...you should be grateful

rawsavon

Do you always drive so badly as well while being followed by a cop?

TBH, I have no idea why you made this thread or what you are complaining about

I made this thread to explain a situation I was in a couple weeks ago. And I'm complaining about the situation as a whole.

Rawsavon, your last post really didn't make any sense.

Have you ever seen a cop car behind you at night through tinted windows? How would I know there was a cop.

I made this thread to explain a situation I was in a couple weeks ago. And I'm complaining about the situation as a whole.

sexy-hippo

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Since when has showing up, while getting gas, talk to someone, then leaving loitering? That happens to me all the time. I never get stopped and searched.And I've been in some pretty bad places when this happened.

sexy-hippo

Do you always drive so badly as well while being followed by a cop?

TBH, I have no idea why you made this thread or what you are complaining about

I made this thread to explain a situation I was in a couple weeks ago. And I'm complaining about the situation as a whole.

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="drufeous"]

When did I say he made you walk the line? He can see if you are steady or not on your feet once you get out of the vehicle and stand on your feet. Ok, I missed the insurance thing. And you say you are certain that you crossed the line twice even though you were fussing with the cd player. So you were counting the amount of times you swerved while messing with a cd player? And he was hell bent on searching for drugs because you were probably leaving a known drug area. That is why all the cars got searched. It's not that hard to figure out. Forget the loitering crap, that just helps build his probably cause.

Not at all true. I'm telling you this from experience. I'm a cop, I've done this hundreds of times. If I suspect alcohol, I have you step out so I can talk to you and see you stand on your feet. Also to see if I smell alcohol on your breath or in your vehicle. You start swaying or fall then its walk the line time. You think you swervedtwice when in all actuality it was probably 3-5 times.You're in a high drug area, he asks to search your car/friends cars. Finds nothing and lets you go. That is textbook police work. Again it's not that hard to figure out.

Convenience stores are a great meeting spot for teenagers and people living with their parents to get some drugs. You've got your munchies and blunts right there. wstfld

[QUOTE="drufeous"]

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] I missed a doesn't. And usually when a copt tells you to step out and smells alcohol on your breath they ask you to walk a line.sexy-hippo

Not at all true. I'm telling you this from experience. I'm a cop, I've done this hundreds of times. If I suspect alcohol, I have you step out so I can talk to you and see you stand on your feet. Also to see if I smell alcohol on your breath or in your vehicle. You start swaying or fall then its walk the line time. You think you swervedtwice when in all actuality it was probably 3-5 times.You're in a high drug area, he asks to search your car/friends cars. Finds nothing and lets you go. That is textbook police work. Again it's not that hard to figure out.

You've watched cops alot? Must mean you know what it's truely like to work the street. That is just ignorant.Any kid thinks they are being troubled for no reason when stopped by cops. You did at one point have marijuana in your car. You admitted to that so how are you being accused? You just refuse to believe that there is a job to do and he did that job well and nothing happened to you other than you not getting home 10 minuets earlier. I'm trying to help you understand what we see and do on our side. I understand how it appears to you, but you need to understand what it really is on our side. Just about every town on OT where people get stopped by cops are towns known for bad cops. What is with that? :roll: Sounds like you are back tracking now.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Do you always drive so badly as well while being followed by a cop?

TBH, I have no idea why you made this thread or what you are complaining about

I made this thread to explain a situation I was in a couple weeks ago. And I'm complaining about the situation as a whole.

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="drufeous"]

Not at all true. I'm telling you this from experience. I'm a cop, I've done this hundreds of times. If I suspect alcohol, I have you step out so I can talk to you and see you stand on your feet. Also to see if I smell alcohol on your breath or in your vehicle. You start swaying or fall then its walk the line time. You think you swervedtwice when in all actuality it was probably 3-5 times.You're in a high drug area, he asks to search your car/friends cars. Finds nothing and lets you go. That is textbook police work. Again it's not that hard to figure out.

You've watched cops alot? Must mean you know what it's truely like to work the street. That is just ignorant.Any kid thinks they are being troubled for no reason when stopped by cops. You did at one point have marijuana in your car. You admitted to that so how are you being accused? You just refuse to believe that there is a job to do and he did that job well and nothing happened to you other than you not getting home 10 minuets earlier. I'm trying to help you understand what we see and do on our side. I understand how it appears to you, but you need to understand what it really is on our side. Just about every town on OT where people get stopped by cops are towns known for bad cops. What is with that? :roll: Sounds like you are back tracking now.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Have you ever seen a cop car behind you at night through tinted windows? How would I know there was a cop.

I made this thread to explain a situation I was in a couple weeks ago. And I'm complaining about the situation as a whole.

sexy-hippo

You sure seem upset...enough to make a thread and complain
I have the legal limit tint as well. It is still easy for me to spot cops
You admitted that you deserved a ticket (license)...so what exactly is the issue here.

The cop pulled you over with cause.
He may have been looking for drug users...guess what, he found one (you admitted it)...and he let you go
The title of this thread should have been, 'I just encountered the nicest. most understanding cop ever'

The cops are trying to do their job.
They have to act within the rules...so they look for cause (your bad driving) when they have suspicion (kids gathering at a place where not so legit things happen)
You gave him the cause to act on his suspicion...you allowed him to do his job.

He decided to cut you a break...one for which you do not appear to be grateful for

sometimes i think cops do things unnecessarily. me and my friend were swimming at her neighborhood pool one night, it was after pool hours so really, we weren't supposed to be there. but all we were doing was swimming, weren't vandalizing or smoking pot or anything. then a police car pulls up, we get out and start drying off before the cop comes to the gate. i know that technically we were in the wrong because we weren't supposed to be there, but then another cop car pulls up. i didn't really see the point of the second cop car..

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] 1. Yes, I am very aware of cops (especially at 2 am). They are easy to spot. 2. What is there to complain about -you drove like crap (should have got a ticket for that) -you did not have your license (should have got a ticket for that) But the cop was nice and you are still *****ing and complaining You did wrong, you did not get punished, and you are mad...seriously man :?rawsavon

You sure seem upset...enough to make a thread and complain
I have the legal limit tint as well. It is still easy for me to spot cops
You admitted that you deserved a ticket (license)...so what exactly is the issue here.

The cop pulled you over with cause.
He may have been looking for drug users...guess what, he found one (you admitted it)...and he let you go
The title of this thread should have been, 'I just encountered the nicest. most understanding cop ever'

The cops are trying to do their job.
They have to act within the rules...so they look for cause (your bad driving) when they have suspicion (kids gathering at a place where not so legit things happen)
You gave him the cause to act on his suspicion...you allowed him to do his job.

He decided to cut you a break...one for which you do not appear to be grateful for