Too bad "nobody knows" is the real answer. matthayter700Prove that I don't know.
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[QUOTE="matthayter700"]Too bad "nobody knows" is the real answer. VandalvideoProve that I don't know. In the context of logic, it's hard to "prove" a negative. o.o But really, if you're going to claim to know, it's up to you to prove it. Otherwise, I don't think any of us really "know" what the transition to death will feel like.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="matthayter700"]Too bad "nobody knows" is the real answer. matthayter700Prove that I don't know. In the context of logic, it's hard to "prove" a negative. o.o But really, if you're going to claim to know, it's up to you to prove it. Otherwise, I don't think any of us really "know" what the transition to death will feel like. I did not claim to know. You claimed I did not. It is up to you to prove your claim. You said "no one knows". I am of the people who apparently do not know. Clearly, if you ever hope to prove that NO ONE knows, you can at least show that I don't. Also, proving a negative is not all that hard. That is something people at introductory logic hear which is a fallacy. All you have to do is show a necessary condition does not obtain. Example; I must not pass the church to get to the Wal-mart. I passed the church. Therefore, I did not get to the Wal-mart. Or; In order for God to exist, it must be the case that X is not so. If X is so, God does not exist; and you prove a negative.
You said "no one knows". I am of the people who apparently do not know.VandalvideoThe question was of what it was like to die. You would not know this unless you were dead. Posting on this site implies that you are alive, hence do not know.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said "no one knows". I am of the people who apparently do not know.matthayter700The question was of what it was like to die. You would not know this unless you were dead. Posting on this site implies that you are alive, hence do not know. Prove that I am not a Zombie brought back to life from some mad scientists.
[QUOTE="matthayter700"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You said "no one knows". I am of the people who apparently do not know.VandalvideoThe question was of what it was like to die. You would not know this unless you were dead. Posting on this site implies that you are alive, hence do not know. Prove that I am not a Zombie brought back to life from some mad scientists. :roll: There is no such thing in real life. That's practically established fact so far until someone proves otherwise.
I believe we are nothing more than complex robots made of insanely complex biological matter. Hence, when we die, we simply stop existing. Like when you pull the plug for a robot.
[QUOTE="matthayter700"] There is no such thing in real life. That's practically established fact so far until someone proves otherwise.VandalvideoOh, you just keep stacking up the claims. Prove to me zombies don't exist. ... the hell with this crap. You keep asking me to "prove" a negative. You used a hypothetical scenario that wouldn't apply in real life as a reason why my logic would not apply. That's ridiculous. Forget it, I'm finished arguing with you on this BS...
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="matthayter700"] There is no such thing in real life. That's practically established fact so far until someone proves otherwise.matthayter700Oh, you just keep stacking up the claims. Prove to me zombies don't exist. ... the hell with this crap. You keep asking me to "prove" a negative. You used a hypothetical scenario that wouldn't apply in real life as a reason why my logic would not apply. That's ridiculous. Forget it, I'm finished arguing with you on this BS... You keep hiding behind some notion of "real life", but honestly; have you truly experienced everything there is in real life? A negative is a claim which must be proven, just as much as a regular claim. You make a claim, you must prove it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Prove to me zombies don't exist. Prove to me there isn't some secret lab in Bolivia (which I came out of) which is bringing people back to life.
i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
gubrushadow
I think this life is the only life and you gotta make the best of it. People dont get second chances in an afterlife, its why we atheists aresuch good people and generally hold life sacred.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]
i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
mrbojangles25
I think this life is the only life and you gotta make the best of it. People dont get second chances in an afterlife, its why we atheists aresuch good people and generally hold life sacred.
Are you implying that those with religious beliefs do not do the same? [spoiler] *Sets the seeds for a religious debate* :evil: [/spoiler][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]
i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
clayron
I think this life is the only life and you gotta make the best of it. People dont get second chances in an afterlife, its why we atheists aresuch good people and generally hold life sacred.
Are you implying that those with religious beliefs do not do the same? [spoiler] *Sets the seeds for a religious debate* :evil: [/spoiler]no of course not, but when you tell a diehard Christian youre an atheist, they generally say "Youre going to hell" or "youre a horrible, amoral person!"
i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
gubrushadow
Ok,then you find someone who knows how non existince looks like.
That's what most atheists and naturalist believe.i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
gubrushadow
That all depends on whether or not our consciousness continues on after death. Evidence suggests it doesn't, and as of right now I'm going to have to side with the evidence. I can be almost certain there isn't "life" after death like any known religion might suggest... but that doesn't mean it doesn't become something else (different state of energy not detectable by current ability) or enter into a place unknown to current methods (subspace, or alternate dimension, etc.).
[QUOTE="metroidprime55"]Where did all the new souls come friom?Rencarnation, that theory follows the Law of Conservation of Energy.
chaplainDMK
OK, so your mom gets pregnate and she is eating a burger one day, the energy and nutrients and all that good stuff is brought to the fedus, if your mom didn't feed you you would die, so the energy from that cow is put into you, the energy disapates as you get older and after a while you are just no longer fit to hold that energy and that is what happens when you die. After you die your energy is brought to another animal which passes that energy on until it uses that energy to create sperm in a male animal (you could end up being inside a female but when your energy disapates you will eventually reach a male something), this sperm holds your energy which is then given the chance to reach an egg and grow into an organism, if that sperm dies than your energy is recycled. When you reach a part in the cycle where that sperm that holds your energy is successful in reaching an egg than you will be rencarnated.
For example: A worm is eaten by a female bird which then releases the waste, this waste is decomposed and added to the soil, the grass feeds off this soil and the energy becomes part of this grass, the grass gets eaten by a male cow which then uses the energy to create sperm, the energy is in that sperm. That male mates with a female and that sperm reaches the egg, a baby cow is born. This cow is killed when it gets older and the meat is shiped off the a meat packing plant which sends the meat to a fast food resturaunt that your dad happens to be eating at, the energy from this meat is used to create another sperm which is then used to make you.
i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
gubrushadow
Firstly, atheism is not inconistent with belief in an afterlife. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in any gods. Not believing in any gods does NOT prevent one from believing in ghosts or a form of afterlife.
Secondly, yes. Many atheists absolutely believe that "after life" is exactly the same as "before life". It stands to reason that if my perception of life is the result of physical processes occuring in my body, that all states in which these processes cease to work should be identical. post-death should be equivalent to pre-conception, since in both cases there is insufficient brain activity to produce any kinds of thoughts or sensations. And yes, in that sense, being dead would be EXACTLY how it was before you were conceived. Do you remember what it was like in the year 1000 AD? Of course you don't, because you weren't alive back then. After you die, things will likely be EXACTLY the same.
Hopefully by then I'll have been lucky enough to have kids. When I die I like to think I'll become bug and plant food. The trees that grow will hopefully give my offspring and future generations life giving air to breathe and food for the bugs, which will give food to the birds, which... You get the point.
We live. We die. Then we decompose in the ground or chill in an urn. Personally, I'd like to be cut up and used for science and either have my body cremated or buried in the cheapest crappiest coffin my family can find. I don't want them burying me for 20K unless I left them with millions of dollars somehow.
Go buy a car with that money. Hopefully by then they can fly.
That all depends on whether or not our consciousness continues on after death. Evidence suggests it doesn't, and as of right now I'm going to have to side with the evidence. I can be almost certain there isn't "life" after death like any known religion might suggest... but that doesn't mean it doesn't become something else (different state of energy not detectable by current ability) or enter into a place unknown to current methods (subspace, or alternate dimension, etc.).
foxhound_fox
Out of curiosity, what evidence is that?
I mean, science hasn't even begun to understand what consciousness really is... so it would seem odd to me for science to be able to tell us what happens to it after death.
I try not to concern myself with things that can't be known. However, I don't have much reason to suspect that consciousness can exist without a brain or something functionally similar to a brain.
Consciousness itself is kind of hard for me to wrap my head around sometimes, but then again so is the existence of anything at all. (That would include any theoretical creator.)
One thing that has often bothered me for a while is the question of whether or not something that is not what we typically consider to be biological could "feel". Of course one could develop an artificial intelligence that mimicked emotional responses, but how would we know if it ever actually had emotions, and what exactly does that even mean? Where is the line between an artificial imitation of life and actual "life" itself drawn? As technology progresses, I suspect that line will become less and less clear.
Nothing happens. You die, and that's it.Bourbons3Exactly, I didn't seem to mind then, so I doubt I'll mind after I die. :P
If atheists believe death is like before you were born then I feel like I was god before I was born. I felt like myself made me come into existence before I was born.
Obviously no one knows, but yeah atheists believe you go back to how you were before you were born which is not being conscious.i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
gubrushadow
i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
gubrushadow
I believe that when you die then that's it, nothing else happens. As far as I'm concerned, once your brain shuts off completely then you are gone completely. I hope I'm wrong though, and I hope that I go to heaven and it's wonderful like Christians say it is. I highly doubt it though.
First of all, atheism, unlike a religion, is not a specific belief, it is the lack of belief in a higher (or lower, lol) being.
And, as the brain completely dies at death, and as the brains holds all of our consciousness, I simply do not believe in any kind of life after death.
This, in my opinion, is a healthy belief that suggests that one should appreciate life, and live it to the fullest.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Obviously no one knows, but yeah atheists believe you go back to how you were before you were born which is not being conscious. And they should prove it.i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
Mr_Splosher
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Obviously no one knows, but yeah atheists believe you go back to how you were before you were born which is not being conscious.i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
Mr_Splosher
Except that is a ascertion that doesn't make sense.. You don't know what you were before birth, hell if it weren't for people around you.. You wouldn't know what you were a few years after.. Memory is a helluva of a thing, for all we know somethign did happen but we don't have the memory of it.. Hence we have no clue what happens..
Athiesm and a belief in no afterlife is not synonymous. There are plenty of athiests that still believe in an afterlife.
The Sci Fi series "Lexx" is an excellent example of an afterlife without theism. In this show time is cyclic. The universe repeats itself in a circle. you simply relive your life all over again with no memory of the previous time.
[QUOTE="Mr_Splosher"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Obviously no one knows, but yeah atheists believe you go back to how you were before you were born which is not being conscious. And they should prove it. Not they dont, provided they arent presenting their belief as fact and arent pushy about it.i hope no body offend me for this ....ok here goes , i was thinking of something , i like hearing different types of views so i thought : if religiouse people believe in another life after death , what do atheists believe ?? its just a simple question , what do you think will happen after you die ?? is it the same feeling that was ...errrrr before you come to life ??im asking for an idea i dont want anyone to tell me :"nobody knows".
Vandalvideo
Not they dont, provided they arent presenting their belief as fact and arent pushy about it.TeenagedThere have been numerous people in this thread, three prior to my response alone, which claimed in the affirmative that there is nothing after death and consciousness resides in the brain. That is a claim which requires proof.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Not they dont, provided they arent presenting their belief as fact and arent pushy about it.VandalvideoThere have been numerous people in this thread, three prior to my response alone, which claimed in the affirmative that there is nothing after death and consciousness resides in the brain. That is a claim which requires proof. Again I said "provided.....". I am not speaking for all atheists or the atheists in this thread. I added my post to yours which didnt clarify about which atheists you are talking, and neither was the person you were responding to speaking specifically about any atheist, here or somewhere else.
]Again I said "provided.....". I am not speaking for all atheists or the atheists in this thread. I added my post to yours which didnt clarify about which atheists you are talking, and neither was the person you were responding to speaking specifically about any atheist, here or somewhere else.TeenagedEven taking into consideration your provided, which I feel is out of place in the context of this thread as it pertains to the people making claims here; anyone who makes a claim, even in the most passive of ways, has the onus of proof placed unto them. If you want to be critical of the faithful for believing in an after life, you better expect someone like me to come along and demand the equal amount of intellectual rigor from you. If one cannot meet such standards, they ought not be making such claims. I don't care if that person is just stating a belief or not. I expect proof.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]]Again I said "provided.....". I am not speaking for all atheists or the atheists in this thread. I added my post to yours which didnt clarify about which atheists you are talking, and neither was the person you were responding to speaking specifically about any atheist, here or somewhere else.Vandalvideo
Even taking into consideration your provided, which I feel is out of place in the context of this thread as it pertains to the people making claims here; anyone who makes a claim, even in the most passive of ways, has the onus of proof placed unto them. If you want to be critical of the faithful for believing in an after life, you better expect someone like me to come along and demand the equal amount of intellectual rigor from you. If one cannot meet such standards, they ought not be making such claims. I don't care if that person is just stating a belief or not. I expect proof.
If one is just asked to provide with his opinion he isnt obligated to prove it, unless by stating his opinion he implies other points which are part of an argument. Where it does matter if that claim is provable in regards to the rest of the points that are influenced by it.But I am not critical of the faithful by default. I find nothing inherently wrong in believing something without proof. I will only criticise the faithful and their beliefs, if those beliefs are presented as fact and if those beliefs imply other things in the frame of an argument.
Since the thread doesnt intend in debating either side and is just asking for opinion or a general consensus, there is no obligation of anyone to prove their point. They are just expressing their opinions.
If we were only to state our opinions if we can prove them then there would many things we wouldnt be able to hold a conversation for or even speak about.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Not they dont, provided they arent presenting their belief as fact and arent pushy about it.
Vandalvideo
There have been numerous people in this thread, three prior to my response alone, which claimed in the affirmative that there is nothing after death and consciousness resides in the brain. That is a claim which requires proof.
Belief doesn't require proof to be believed. It only requires proof for it to be considered true.
My proof for there not being life after death is that if there is a soul that exists eternally, then it must have also existed for an eternity, but since we know that isn't true since our consciousness is respective to how developed our brain is, as evident by why we can't remember much of anything when we were young and when our brains were less developed, then that is to say that we couldn't have existed for an eternity before our conception and that is also to say that we couldn't continue to exist after our death because our brain quits functioning. Also, it's impossible for something to have existed an infinite amount of time because if that were the case, how would time ever progress?
If one is just asked to provide with his opinion he isnt obligated to prove it, unless by stating his opinion he implies other points which are part of an argument. Where it does matter if that claim is provable in regards to the rest of the points that are influenced by it.TeenagedYou and I have different epistemic standards. If someone states an opinion, I expect proof. I am not going to let someone hide behind the veil of opinion in an attempt to get away with an undereducated opinion. If you want to state something, I demand evidence. Simple as that.
It was merely a sufficient condition, not necessary, that someone be critical for me to expect proof. In addition to those critical, I also expect proof from those merely passively stating their opinion. State something, give me proof. Simple.But I am not critical of the faithful by default. I find nothing inherently wrong in believing something without proof. I will only criticise the faithful and their beliefs, if those beliefs are presented as fact and if those beliefs imply other things in the frame of an argument.
I don't care what the purpose of the thread is. This is merely mine own epistemic standards at work. I'm an iterative skeptic. If you make a belief known to me, I will question it. It is simple as that. If you aren't prepared to back up an opinion, stay silent.Since the thread doesnt intend in debating either side and is just asking for opinion or a general consensus, there is no obligation of anyone to prove their point. They are just expressing their opinions.
That is patently false. One could still have a discussion about the merits of the proofs themselves or the underlying merits for the belief. A discussion isn't contigent upon showing of proof.If we were only to state our opinions if we can prove them then there would many things we wouldnt be able to hold a conversation for or even speak about.
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