[QUOTE="htekemerald"]His comments speak more to saving face than a real reason to surrender...[QUOTE="SUD123456"]
Hirohito's address to the nation announcing surrender:
"Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization."
The point being that the two shocks contributed to surrender. USSR invasion (not because of the military operations) but because it meant that the last line of diplomacy for negotiating conditional surrender was over. And dropping the bomb, because it meant that a miracle defense leading to some sort of negotiated peace was not possible. The two things happened essentially in concert.
In the end they surrendered because the emperor decided that there was no hope for a better settlement based on those two changes to the strategic situation/
CreasianDevaili
In the end the real reason the emeperor's hand was forced was the Russians. He, and the rest of the government, knew that they could either make a deal with Americans or be annexed by the Russians.
Never thought i'd see you, of all people in this thread, actually dismiss what an historic figure definitively involved in the Pacific conflict said and put in what you say he really meant in place. You just nullified all the stuff you said across pages man. Along with the people you quoted for your arguement. Use an American to attack America and dismiss the Emperor of Japan in order to not defend America, when talking about what America did to Japan. Transparent agenda man.""...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."" - Ike
Me: Eisenhower clearly thought bombing the Japanese was wrong.
Pro-Nuke People: Your wong he obviously didn't mean that because I said so.
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""Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization."" - Japanese Emperor
You: 'Both shocks were nessisary to force japan to surrender'
Me: "His comments speak more to saving face than a real reason to surrender... In the end the real reason the emeperor's hand was forced was the Russians. He, and the rest of the government, knew that they could either make a deal with Americans or be annexed by the Russians."
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