So...Muhammad said the sun will rise from the west one day?

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This would put her at the age of about 8 or 9 and Muhammed somewhere in his late 50's.

ShadowMoses900

Oh ok I was off about his age a little, big deal. Good way to ignore my entire post. No one wants to address my complaints.

[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="bats94"] By Arab, did you mean Saudi Arabia? Or another country in the Middle East?BossPerson

please show me refrence, im familiar with all this same s*** that is being thrown out as war propaganda after 9/11, this issue about Aisha is one of them, they could bring this up because they know you people believe whatever flying fk they show. Aisha was no CHILD, heck back then every1 matured quikcly, the sons would follow the fathers and the daughters will follow the mothers and become resposible at a faster rate then todays fat fking kids, stop useing your own selfish evil motives to claim s*** against islam.

GrayF0X786

"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." [Abu-Dawud 2:2116]

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.Sahih Muslim8:3311

Selfish, evil motives? I'm sorry, I thought that wanting people to stay the fvck away from a religion that allows child rape is a good thing. Weird.

Also, please give me proof that children matured quickly in Arabia. As far as I know, there is no evidence that they matured faster.

lol...muslims. Hey, I think I hear a drone above your house.

Blaze787

That's not really funny, just kind of fvcked up... :|

My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me. [Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 131]

[QUOTE="Miyomatic"]

I ask questions and expect answers in a way to potentially be enlightened by those who have been already. I know not what lies at the end of this life, and hope to catch a glimpse through the understanding of those before me. The fact that most Muslims in my experience are reluctant to do so by way of Q and A leads me to believe that they would prefer to spread their influence by force (ex. Middle East) rather than word of mouth. This is not my final view, however, being young and impressionable, I wish their to be much more of an effort by the followers of Islam to improve their image and become more accepting of those willing to learn, and if not to join the following, then at least to understand it better as to coexist. From what I understand, however, there is no coexistence in the following of Islam: you're either with us or against us.

MrPraline

I don't see anyone denying it. Disappointing, really.

And finally:

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="playmynutz"] i didn't want to put my dude on the spot completely but he is from Pakistan . he even told me about kids getting raped like a cousin would rape his little cousin and just laugh about itplaymynutz

One day a meteor will fall out of the sky and strike earth.

The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)ghoklebutter

So why do Muslims keep jumping over this post so much?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I actually have a Quran in English translation (admittely I have not read the entire thing) and I recall Muhammed saying he had a vision and asked his best pal if he could have her hand in marriage.

The girl was still playing with dolls at the time and she was married to him BEFORE menstrel cycle (which goes against Islam belief entirely) and it is said that he consemated his marriage with her (sex) a few years later when she still didn't menstrate yet.

This would put her at the age of about 8 or 9 and Muhammed was around 50. I base this off of my own reading and research, I am no expert of Islam. However I think I have a pretty accurate view of this scenario.

And no child marriages weren't common back then, it's even considered a sin in the origional text (The Torah) to do so, it's considered a sexual perversion which goes against the Noahide laws. And Muhammed was supposed to be familiar with the origional texts, despite the fact the he could not read nor write.

Again I am NOT anti-Islam. There are good Muslims, however there are some legitiment concerns and questions about Muhammed himself. Are you sure he was the noble man you think he was?

My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me. [Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 131]

ghoklebutter

lol...muslims. Hey, I think I hear a drone above your house.

Blaze787

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

lol...muslims. Hey, I think I hear a drone above your house.

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me. [Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 131]

playmynutz

Isn't calling Mohammad imperfect a sin? Wouldn't that be reason enough to stone you to death? Assuming, of course, we were in a third world country in the middle of a desert where life is 1000 years behind that of life around it, including the jungles.:|

[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Pakistan is Arab?BossPerson

Oh good lord...

And finally:

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="KiIIyou"]weast!ghoklebutter

5 bucks says that OT's trollen.alexside1

No, he's just brainwashed as f*ck.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

And finally:

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

lol...muslims. Hey, I think I hear a drone above your house.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="alexside1"]5 bucks says that OT's trollen.Optical_Order

No, he's just brainwashed as f*ck.

5 bucks says that OT's trollen.alexside1

This guy is def. legit.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] k :)

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="alexside1"]5 bucks says that OT's trollen.coolbeans90

This guy is def. legit.

I ask questions and expect answers in a way to potentially be enlightened by those who have been already. I know not what lies at the end of this life, and hope to catch a glimpse through the understanding of those before me. The fact that most Muslims in my experience are reluctant to do so by way of Q and A leads me to believe that they would prefer to spread their influence by force (ex. Middle East) rather than word of mouth. This is not my final view, however, being young and impressionable, I wish their to be much more of an effort by the followers of Islam to improve their image and become more accepting of those willing to learn, and if not to join the following, then at least to understand it better as to coexist. From what I understand, however, there is no coexistence in the following of Islam: you're either with us or against us.

Miyomatic

Please Fox, assist my perception if it is in fact a figment of false reality. This is not an attack, just an attempt to understand.

[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me. [Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 131]

Miyomatic

Isn't calling Mohammad imperfect a sin? Wouldn't that be reason enough to stone you to death? Assuming, of course, we were in a third world country in the middle of a desert where life is 1000 years behind that of life around it, including the jungles.:|

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

And finally:

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

GrayF0X786

Also: Aisha said she was nine years old when the act of consummation took place and she had her dolls with her. [Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p 77]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] k :)

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]5 bucks says that OT's trollen.alexside1

This guy is def. legit.

Eh, normally when people fall on the defensive instead maintaining the "all homosexuals are abominations; god made the world in six days; I can't wait for a new caliphate" statements, it seems that they are more concerned with defending their ideology than riling the board up.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

This guy is def. legit.

coolbeans90

Eh, normally when people fall on the defensive instead maintaining the "all homosexuals are abominations; god made the world in six days; I can't wait for a new caliphate" statements, it seems that they are more concerned with defending their ideology than riling the board up.

[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Pakistan is far from Arab. It's very ignorant to say they are Arab. Hint: They don't speak Arabic,BossPerson

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]And finally: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)Zeviander

As far as I know, that second sentence just means that he liked to play with her, as in run around, do horse-racing, etc. That's totally benign.

I have found some pretty vulgar hadiths that describe what Muhammad did to Aisha when he was horny, but if I posted them here, I would certainly get banned.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]5 bucks says that OT's trollen.coolbeans90

This guy is def. legit.

Well as an ex-Muslim and knowing many Muslims, grey fox is not trolling. Trust me. Many like him out there. Sad little pawns of religion.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

And finally:

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

ghoklebutter

Also: Aisha said she was nine years old when the act of consummation took place and she had her dolls with her. [Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p 77]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]And finally: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)ghoklebutter

As far as I know, that second sentence just means that he liked to play with her, as in run around, do horse-racing, etc. That's totally benign.

I have found some pretty vulgar hadiths that describe what Muhammad did to Aisha when he was horny, but if I posted them here, I would certainly get banned.

Could you send me a link of them? A bit interested.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]5 bucks says that OT's trollen.Omni-Wrath

This guy is def. legit.

Well as an ex-Muslim and knowing many Muslims, grey fox is not trolling. Trust me. Many like him out there. Sad little pawns of religion.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not fully familiar with the story, but what i know is Aisha was a women and not a girl when the prophet finnaly settled with her.

GrayF0X786

Also: Aisha said she was nine years old when the act of consummation took place and she had her dolls with her. [Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p 77]

Wasn't Muhammad supposed to be the prime example of a good person? Shouldn't he have not been sucked in to the corruption of his time?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not fully familiar with the story, but what i know is Aisha was a women and not a girl when the prophet finnaly settled with her.

GrayF0X786

Also: Aisha said she was nine years old when the act of consummation took place and she had her dolls with her. [Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p 77]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] im not fully familiar with the story, but what i know is Aisha was a women and not a girl when the prophet finnaly settled with her.

GrayF0X786

Also: Aisha said she was nine years old when the act of consummation took place and she had her dolls with her. [Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p 77]

Muhammad is supposed to be a perfect human. He is supposed to transend end the common rituals of his time. Instead, he adhered to them.

back then marriage at that age was fking normal, jheez! American does whatever it fking can to demonize islam after 9/11 and now we have you sheeps. why was this never brought up before 9/11 i wonder?

GrayF0X786

That doesn't excuse him. Your prophet's supposed to be the best example of humanity according to Islam. If it were true that Islam forbid child sex, then wouldn't Allah tell Muhammad that he shouldn't fvck kids? In any case, he had sex with a child, and that's absolutely reprehensible.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Oi, I haven't read this one before. And that second sentence, interpreted the wrong way (or right way?) could imply Muhammad (child rapist among us) enjoyed orgies with little girls. #religionofpeaceOmni-Wrath

As far as I know, that second sentence just means that he liked to play with her, as in run around, do horse-racing, etc. That's totally benign.

I have found some pretty vulgar hadiths that describe what Muhammad did to Aisha when he was horny, but if I posted them here, I would certainly get banned.

Could you send me a link of them? A bit interested.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

This guy is def. legit.

alexside1

Well as an ex-Muslim and knowing many Muslims, grey fox is not trolling. Trust me. Many like him out there. Sad little pawns of religion.

Religion has no problems allowing murder, forced marriages, and ignorance.
And by ignorance, ignoring real science like evolution and the age of the Earth.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

As far as I know, that second sentence just means that he liked to play with her, as in run around, do horse-racing, etc. That's totally benign.

I have found some pretty vulgar hadiths that describe what Muhammad did to Aisha when he was horny, but if I posted them here, I would certainly get banned.

ghoklebutter

Could you send me a link of them? A bit interested.

I don't trust pedophiles.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] So she was a mature woman at the age of 9? Do you even know what you're saying?

Also: Aisha said she was nine years old when the act of consummation took place and she had her dolls with her. [Mishkat al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p 77]

toast_burner

Wasn't Muhammad supposed to be the prime example of a good person? Shouldn't he have not been sucked in to the corruption of his time?