So...Muhammad said the sun will rise from the west one day?

I don't trust pedophiles.

TopTierHustler

lol

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] back then marriage at that age was fking normal, jheez!

GrayF0X786

Wasn't Muhammad supposed to be the prime example of a good person? Shouldn't he have not been sucked in to the corruption of his time?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Could you send me a link of them? A bit interested.

toast_burner

Yes. Like the name and number.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Could you send me a link of them? A bit interested.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Then why are you following the teachings of an incredibly outdated culture?

Wasn't Muhammad supposed to be the prime example of a good person? Shouldn't he have not been sucked in to the corruption of his time?

toast_burner

On a positive side, Muhammad was a brilliant warlord.
He plagiarised the Bible, then somehow convinced people that the Bible was corrupt.
He was very anti whore, but managed to bone a nine year old.

Muhammad was a brilliant man, not morally.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Well as an ex-Muslim and knowing many Muslims, grey fox is not trolling. Trust me. Many like him out there. Sad little pawns of religion.

Omni-Wrath

Religion has no problems allowing murder, forced marriages, and ignorance.
And by ignorance, ignoring real science like evolution and the age of the Earth.

Irrelevant it doesn't change the fact that people are the ones carrying out the suppose orders. I will not touch thesubject on whatever or not religion allows it, there no point to it.

Well damn, you just converted me.

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] its not a teaching, its recorded history that Aisha herself wrote. omg lol

Omni-Wrath

but managed to bone a nine year old.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Muhammad was obviously not a very good person by todays standards, so why is it that you listen to him?

GrayF0X786

but managed to bone a nine year old.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

but managed to bone a nine year old.

bats94

And keep it clean.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Muhammad was obviously not a very good person by todays standards, so why is it that you listen to him?

GrayF0X786

but managed to bone a nine year old.

[QUOTE="bats94"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] i give up on you people, goodnight.

Optical_Order

And keep it clean.

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="bats94"] Have a good night's sleep.TopTierHustler

And keep it clean.

o rly

If you keep going west, it eventually becomes east. On a globe that is.

As a Sunni Muslim, let me clarify some points:

1) According the Sunni interptation of Islam, no human being is "perfect." Mohmmad (pbuh) is included in this. We believe he, as any other human, is capable of making mistakes.

2) Mohammad had an intercourse with Aisha when she was 9 years old. However, child mirages were common back then. Now before being disgusted to your stomach let me illustrate my point by giving you an example: Nowadays, it's perfectly acceptable to marry a 18 years old girl and have sex with her. But what if, in 500 years, the age of marriage was raised to 26 for some reason, then by your logic any man who married a woman who was younger than 26 is a sick freak! My point is, you can't judge a person who lived 1500 years ago by today's standards, because today's standards aren't absolute truth. They are relative: They are going to change, for time changes people, and people make rules. What Mohammad did was perfectly normal in his time period, and many other Arabs (Muslims and non-Muslims) were doing the same.

As a Sunni Muslim, let me clarify some points:

1) According the Sunni interptation of Islam, no human being is "perfect." Mohmmad (pbuh) is included in this. We believe he, as any other human, is capable of making mistakes.

2) Mohammad had an intercourse with Aisha when she was 9 years old. However, child mirages were common back then. Now before being disgusted to your stomach let me illustrate my point by giving you an example: Nowadays, it's perfectly acceptable to marry a 18 years old girl and have sex with her. But what if, in 500 years, the age of marriage was raised to 26 for some reason, then by your logic any man who married a woman who was younger than 26 is a sick freak! My point is, you can't judge a person who lived 1500 years ago by today's standards, because today's standards aren't absolute truth. They are relative: They are going to change, for time changes people, and people make rules. What Mohammad did was perfectly normal in his time period, and many other Arabs (Muslims and non-Muslims) were doing the same.

kingfire11

One of the funniest thing I have ever seen is when people from certain religion attack people from another religion. The fools don't realize that the same arguments can be made against their own religion, and they make religious people look like asses in front of everyone else. The point is, by attacking other religions you only perpetuate the stereotypes about religions(including yours)that you hate the most.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]One of the funniest thing I have ever seen is when people from certain religion attack people from another religion. The fools don't realize that the same arguments can be made against their own religion, and they make religious people look like asses in front of everyone else. The point is, by attacking other religions you only perpetuate the stereotypes about religions(including yours)that you hate the most.toast_burner

As a Sunni Muslim, let me clarify some points:

1) According the Sunni interptation of Islam, no human being is "perfect." Mohmmad (pbuh) is included in this. We believe he, as any other human, is capable of making mistakes.

2) Mohammad had an intercourse with Aisha when she was 9 years old. However, child mirages were common back then. Now before being disgusted to your stomach let me illustrate my point by giving you an example: Nowadays, it's perfectly acceptable to marry a 18 years old girl and have sex with her. But what if, in 500 years, the age of marriage was raised to 26 for some reason, then by your logic any man who married a woman who was younger than 26 is a sick freak! My point is, you can't judge a person who lived 1500 years ago by today's standards, because today's standards aren't absolute truth. They are relative: They are going to change, for time changes people, and people make rules. What Mohammad did was perfectly normal in his time period, and many other Arabs (Muslims and non-Muslims) were doing the same.

kingfire11

I don't see why an omnipotent, eternal being would change his mind every few centuries. Maybe he should be more clear.MrPraline

I don't see why an omnipotent, eternal being would change his mind every few centuries. Maybe he should be more clear.MrPraline

Just a big game of moving the goal posts to suit your followers :P

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I don't see why an omnipotent, eternal being would change his mind every few centuries. Maybe he should be more clear.GazaAli

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I don't see why an omnipotent, eternal being would change his mind every few centuries. Maybe he should be more clear.wis3boi

Just a big game of moving the goal posts to suit your followers :P

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]I don't see why an omnipotent, eternal being would change his mind every few centuries. Maybe he should be more clear.MrPraline

It already has.

coolbeans90

As a Sunni Muslim, let me clarify some points:

1) According the Sunni interptation of Islam, no human being is "perfect." Mohmmad (pbuh) is included in this. We believe he, as any other human, is capable of making mistakes.

2) Mohammad had an intercourse with Aisha when she was 9 years old. However, child mirages were common back then. Now before being disgusted to your stomach let me illustrate my point by giving you an example: Nowadays, it's perfectly acceptable to marry a 18 years old girl and have sex with her. But what if, in 500 years, the age of marriage was raised to 26 for some reason, then by your logic any man who married a woman who was younger than 26 is a sick freak! My point is, you can't judge a person who lived 1500 years ago by today's standards, because today's standards aren't absolute truth. They are relative: They are going to change, for time changes people, and people make rules. What Mohammad did was perfectly normal in his time period, and many other Arabs (Muslims and non-Muslims) were doing the same.

kingfire11

1) You have no idea what you're talking about. Muhammad is descibed as being "3ala khuluqin 3azim" in one verse of the Qur'an. And there are other verses that affirm his sinlessness. Find me one authentic source that denies that Allah considers Muhammad sinless. In any case, if he was given full guidance from Allah, then why didn't Allah tell him that having sex with kids is bad?

2) Terrible analogy. A 9-year-old girl is not sexually mature and cannot consent to sex. An 18-year-old woman, however, can consent and is sexually mature. And the consequences of having sex with a 9-year-old girl is not only (appropriate) cultural disapproval but also psychological and perhaps even physical damage to the child. By contrast, having consensual sex with an 18-year-old woman is not psychically or physically detrimental to her.

Muhammad is descibed as being "3ala khuluqin 3azim" in one verse of the Qur'an. ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Muhammad is descibed as being "3ala khuluqin 3azim" in one verse of the Qur'an. chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Sounds to me like you are defending what we're all saying: that religion is created by men and their cultures. Why wouldn't the one true god keep the same laws forever? There is no reason to change any laws; they are already the product of a perfect deity after all. Besides, why would a omnipotent being be "reasonable"? Wouldn't he "improve", say, his religion's treatment of women?ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Muhammad is descibed as being "3ala khuluqin 3azim" in one verse of the Qur'an. ghoklebutter

spend all your time in a cave and well..it makes learning geography and science pretty damn tough...

spend all your time in a cave and well..it makes learning geography and acience pretty damn tough...Omni-Slash

spend all your time in a cave and well..it makes learning geography and science pretty damn tough...

Omni-Slash

until the drones fly over :P

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]

spend all your time in a cave and well..it makes learning geography and science pretty damn tough...

wis3boi

until the drones fly over :P

Air force come and they flatten your home

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]spend all your time in a cave and well..it makes learning geography and acience pretty damn tough...GazaAli

Muhammad the final prophet of islam says that one of the signs of judgement will be that the sun will one day rise from the west..........what does offtopic thinkGrayF0X786