I'm fine with weed, but theres that whole gateway stuff
Most people who want it smoke it anyway.
Sooooooo when are they gonna legalize marijuana?
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It's more so due to the lack of fear/anxiety one has after smoking pot. Government clearly lies about what it does, and how harmful it is, what other drugs are they also lying about? Also, now that you've done one illegal substance, it's not hard to realize the line of what is and is not okay might blur. Legalizing pot would remove both "gateway drug" problems. Might make people more inclined to try other impairing substances like beer though (assuming they haven't) I have never heard of a lack of fear/anxiety after smoking pot, it actually induces paranoia for some people. The government does indeed lie about the harm that drugs can cause, they have a long history of massive exaggerations. But I think you ment the opposite. I did, "lack of fear/anxiety". Kids are raised "Drugs are bad", they see non-sense like "Reefer-Madness";Where smoking Marijuana causes you to laugh maniacally, shoot your best friends, and jump from tall buildings thinking you can fly. Then, they try it, they realize 99% of what was told to them was BS, and are less fearful of the consequences of drugs(what other lies were told about other drugs?) That is one "Gateway drug" theory, the other being the access/knowledge of people who sell illicit drugs and as such have the access to try new things.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="rastotm"] Gateway drug is actually a common subject in similar discussions. It describes the chance of starting with other, stronger drugs when using a certain drugs. There are many things that contribute to this chance, the effect of many drugs diminishes over time because people become resistant. So in order to get the same high (or downer whatever suits you) you need to increase the dose. This is just one example. I assume you understand this.
The reason why I mentioned is as follows, when one buys marijuana from a drug dealer, there is a fair chance that he has multiple drugs available, so there is the chance that people start switching to stronger and more dangerous drugs. When one buys from a legit store, these drugs are not available, the chance of people switching to stronger and more dangerous drugs is less likely.rastotm
[QUOTE="rastotm"]I have never heard of a lack of fear/anxiety after smoking pot, it actually induces paranoia for some people. The government does indeed lie about the harm that drugs can cause, they have a long history of massive exaggerations. But I think you ment the opposite. I did, "lack of fear/anxiety". Kids are raised "Drugs are bad", they see non-sense like "Reefer-Madness";Where smoking Marijuana causes you to laugh maniacally, shoot your best friends, and jump from tall buildings thinking you can fly. Then, they try it, they realize 99% of what was told to them was BS, and are less fearful of the consequences of drugs(what other lies were told about other drugs?) That is one "Gateway drug" theory, the other being the access/knowledge of people who sell illicit drugs and as such have the access to try new things.and that's our government's fault, not marijuana...[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It's more so due to the lack of fear/anxiety one has after smoking pot. Government clearly lies about what it does, and how harmful it is, what other drugs are they also lying about? Also, now that you've done one illegal substance, it's not hard to realize the line of what is and is not okay might blur. Legalizing pot would remove both "gateway drug" problems. Might make people more inclined to try other impairing substances like beer though (assuming they haven't)Nibroc420
Based on the gateway theory, does milk lead to alcohol?I'm fine with weed, but theres that whole gateway stuff
Most people who want it smoke it anyway.
OB-47
[QUOTE="OB-47"]Based on the gateway theory, does milk lead to alcohol?I'm fine with weed, but theres that whole gateway stuff
Most people who want it smoke it anyway.
smokingsbad
But milk was never this illegal drug, or one that required a certain age to drink. It isn't even a step up from water
It is only a matter of time, "war on drugs" lmfao.GhettoBlastin92
The war on drugs, like the war on terror and the war on guns, is a war on individual freedoms. This is why I vote libertarian and when the election comes I'll vote for either Gary Johnson or Ron Paul.
[QUOTE="iowastate"]alcohol can be abused and ruin lives. doesnt mean we should make it illegal even though it causes far more problems in society than marijuana ever could we only realize that now because the United States already tried to criminalize alcohol and that experiment created more crime than the government could handle. the best thing that resulted from Prohibition was a few good books and some movies about Capone.Never gonna happen - people have been trying to pretend all kinds of drugs are harmless for years despite the ruined lives and evidence to the contrary
mingmao3046
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
... f*cking 20-something.
Pot screwed up my brother and my cousins, so hopefully never.
WiiCubeM1
No it didn't.
I swear we had this argument a few months ago.
We might have, and the truth is the same. Pot didn't screw up their lives, they screwed up their lives. Blaming the drug is just a way for the person to shirk responsibility for themselves.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
No it didn't.
worlock77
I swear we had this argument a few months ago.
We might have, and the truth is the same. Pot didn't screw up their lives, they screwed up their lives. Blaming the drug is just a way for the person to shirk responsibility for themselves.
Memory impairment and lung cancer?
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I swear we had this argument a few months ago.
WiiCubeM1
We might have, and the truth is the same. Pot didn't screw up their lives, they screwed up their lives. Blaming the drug is just a way for the person to shirk responsibility for themselves.
Memory impairment and lung cancer?
Same thing. If you're smoking so much that it impairs your memory or gives you cancer (though you can't really be sure that pot alone, to the exclusion of all other factors cause it) then it's your fault for not exercising some self-control. It all comes back to personal responsibility.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
We might have, and the truth is the same. Pot didn't screw up their lives, they screwed up their lives. Blaming the drug is just a way for the person to shirk responsibility for themselves.
worlock77
Memory impairment and lung cancer?
Same thing. If you're smoking so much that it impairs your memory or gives you cancer (though you can't really be sure that pot alone, to the exclusion of all other factors cause it) then it's your fault for not exercising some self-control. It all comes back to personal responsibility.
Self-control or not, I just don't think a substance that has the potential to cause harm should be legal. And before you bring it up, I'm against alcohol and tobacco as well, but there is little I can say about those considering how ingrained they are into our society that people kill each other for them (prohibition and all).
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Memory impairment and lung cancer?
WiiCubeM1
Same thing. If you're smoking so much that it impairs your memory or gives you cancer (though you can't really be sure that pot alone, to the exclusion of all other factors cause it) then it's your fault for not exercising some self-control. It all comes back to personal responsibility.
Self-control or not, I just don't think a substance that has the potential to cause harm should be legal. And before you bring it up, I'm against alcohol and tobacco as well, but there is little I can say about those considering how ingrained they are into our society that people kill each other for them (prohibition and all).
Everything has the potential to cause harm. There are a number of deaths every year from people drinking too much water. You going to advocate that water be outlawed now?
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Same thing. If you're smoking so much that it impairs your memory or gives you cancer (though you can't really be sure that pot alone, to the exclusion of all other factors cause it) then it's your fault for not exercising some self-control. It all comes back to personal responsibility.
worlock77
Self-control or not, I just don't think a substance that has the potential to cause harm should be legal. And before you bring it up, I'm against alcohol and tobacco as well, but there is little I can say about those considering how ingrained they are into our society that people kill each other for them (prohibition and all).
Everything has the potential to cause harm. There are a number of deaths every year from people drinking too much water. You going to advocate that water be outlawed now?
Avoiding a long and drawn out argument where you twist my words, I'm against any kind of substance that alters a man's mind on initial contact, a mental poison, that even in minimum use degrades your body and mind over time.
So, to answer your question, of course not. There is a difference between a mind-altering substance that, even if it wasn't a possible carcinogen and poisoner of minds, still has you breathing in smoke every contact you make with it and a substance I need to live more than 3 days.
Also, are you arguing for the legalization due to free choice or so you can smoke it legally?
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Self-control or not, I just don't think a substance that has the potential to cause harm should be legal. And before you bring it up, I'm against alcohol and tobacco as well, but there is little I can say about those considering how ingrained they are into our society that people kill each other for them (prohibition and all).
WiiCubeM1
Everything has the potential to cause harm. There are a number of deaths every year from people drinking too much water. You going to advocate that water be outlawed now?
Avoiding a long and drawn out argument where you twist my words, I'm against any kind of substance that alters a man's mind on initial contact, a mental poison, that even in minimum use degrades your body and mind over time.
So, to answer your question, of course not. There is a difference between a mind-altering substance that, even if it wasn't a possible carcinogen and poisoner of minds, still has you breathing in smoke every contact you make with it and a substance I need to live more than 3 days.
Also, are you arguing for the legalization due to free choice or so you can smoke it legally?
You'd better ban chocolate then (as well as thousands of other everyday substances).
As for your question: it being illegal never stopped me from using it before, it certainly would not now if I felt any particular inclination to still. I believe that willing adults should be able to injest whatever substance they wish into their own bodies so long as they are not infringing on others by doing so. See, I still value personal liberty.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Everything has the potential to cause harm. There are a number of deaths every year from people drinking too much water. You going to advocate that water be outlawed now?
worlock77
Avoiding a long and drawn out argument where you twist my words, I'm against any kind of substance that alters a man's mind on initial contact, a mental poison, that even in minimum use degrades your body and mind over time.
So, to answer your question, of course not. There is a difference between a mind-altering substance that, even if it wasn't a possible carcinogen and poisoner of minds, still has you breathing in smoke every contact you make with it and a substance I need to live more than 3 days.
Also, are you arguing for the legalization due to free choice or so you can smoke it legally?
You'd better ban chocolate then (as well as thousands of other everyday substances).
As for your question: it being illegal never stopped me from using it before, it certainly would not now if I felt any particular inclination to still. I believe that willing adults should be able to injest whatever substance they wish into their own bodies so long as they are not infringing on others by doing so. See, I still value personal liberty.
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Avoiding a long and drawn out argument where you twist my words, I'm against any kind of substance that alters a man's mind on initial contact, a mental poison, that even in minimum use degrades your body and mind over time.
So, to answer your question, of course not. There is a difference between a mind-altering substance that, even if it wasn't a possible carcinogen and poisoner of minds, still has you breathing in smoke every contact you make with it and a substance I need to live more than 3 days.
Also, are you arguing for the legalization due to free choice or so you can smoke it legally?
WiiCubeM1
You'd better ban chocolate then (as well as thousands of other everyday substances).
As for your question: it being illegal never stopped me from using it before, it certainly would not now if I felt any particular inclination to still. I believe that willing adults should be able to injest whatever substance they wish into their own bodies so long as they are not infringing on others by doing so. See, I still value personal liberty.
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Avoiding a long and drawn out argument where you twist my words, I'm against any kind of substance that alters a man's mind on initial contact, a mental poison, that even in minimum use degrades your body and mind over time.
So, to answer your question, of course not. There is a difference between a mind-altering substance that, even if it wasn't a possible carcinogen and poisoner of minds, still has you breathing in smoke every contact you make with it and a substance I need to live more than 3 days.
Also, are you arguing for the legalization due to free choice or so you can smoke it legally?
WiiCubeM1
You'd better ban chocolate then (as well as thousands of other everyday substances).
As for your question: it being illegal never stopped me from using it before, it certainly would not now if I felt any particular inclination to still. I believe that willing adults should be able to injest whatever substance they wish into their own bodies so long as they are not infringing on others by doing so. See, I still value personal liberty.
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
no, you dont understand personal liberty when you want to keep drugs illegal[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
You'd better ban chocolate then (as well as thousands of other everyday substances).
As for your question: it being illegal never stopped me from using it before, it certainly would not now if I felt any particular inclination to still. I believe that willing adults should be able to injest whatever substance they wish into their own bodies so long as they are not infringing on others by doing so. See, I still value personal liberty.
worlock77
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
Sorry, I've been working the last few hours.
No, my views on marijuana and junk food come from personal experience and watching half my family near kill themselves from there use. I've gone through the same social programs everyone else does, Say NO to Drugs and all that stuff, but to know people that lose themselves to their habits and become totally different people than you remember them because of their choices to fall for these stupid addictions really does a number on you. I grew up watching a number of my cousins fall into theft and abuse (one of my cousin's torched an Amish man's barn for 2 lbs of weed), and watched my brother become a delinquent due to heavy drinking and pot use (the former which nearly killed him 2 years ago when he wrapped his car around a tree), so I've seen the side of drugs most people never see.
Then you have addiction to junk food. Addicting, unhealthy levels of fat and cholesterol, an increase in heart diease, diabetes, and some types of cancers, and other health risks. The difference lies in the addictions. As a former junk food addict, kicking the habit is quite easy and losing the weight you gain is pretty simple if you have the will to actually stick with a stable plan. Plus, I've never met someone willing to commit robbery or arson for a bag of potato chips.
Basically what you are telling me is that we should allow something to be legalized because it doesn't cause AS MUCH harm as things we already have legalized (which I personally think is a complete load of bullsh*t).
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
You'd better ban chocolate then (as well as thousands of other everyday substances).
As for your question: it being illegal never stopped me from using it before, it certainly would not now if I felt any particular inclination to still. I believe that willing adults should be able to injest whatever substance they wish into their own bodies so long as they are not infringing on others by doing so. See, I still value personal liberty.
mingmao3046
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
no, you dont understand personal liberty when you want to keep drugs illegalWould you let a child play with a gun simply because they can, because that is how I feel about this situation.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
WiiCubeM1
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
Sorry, I've been working the last few hours.
No, my views on marijuana and junk food come from personal experience and watching half my family near kill themselves from there use.
If you know anyone who's marijuana use has led to them nearly killing themselves, they were dumbasses already. Marijuana is not a hard drug. It's vitrually harmless, compared to damn near anything. One night of heavy drinking will damage your mind and body more than years of regular marijuana use. The vast majority of prescription drugs that millions of people take on a daily basis are exponentially more damaging (and mind-altering) than even the most potent marijuana ever grown.
Stupid people love to blame their marijuana use for their own stupid decisions. But they are just stupid people, who would do stupid things anyway. Thing is, they're smart enough to know that if they blame the weed, people who don't know anything about it will accept that, and not blame them.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
the_bi99man
Sorry, I've been working the last few hours.
No, my views on marijuana and junk food come from personal experience and watching half my family near kill themselves from there use.
If you know anyone who's marijuana use has led to them nearly killing themselves, they were dumbasses already. Marijuana is not a hard drug. It's vitrually harmless, compared to damn near anything. One night of heavy drinking will damage your mind and body more than years of regular marijuana use. The vast majority of prescription drugs that millions of people take on a daily basis are exponentially more damaging (and mind-altering) than even the most potent marijuana ever grown.
As I said in an earlier post, memory problems and one of my cousins is currently fighting lung cancer.
Either way, when the reason to allow something that can cause harm simply because some studies suggest it doesn't cause AS MUCH harm as other things is not a good reason to legalize it, especially when I've seen what it has the potential to do to people.
You, worlock, and most other people here, are coming from the side that is saying "I smoked it, and it caused minor harm, if any. Obviously it won't have any effect on anyone else". I know that's not true.
Guys marijuana should be illegal and it does kill people. I mean, just look at Obama, Sarah Palin, Bill Clinton, and Morgan Freeman. Also, George Washington grew hemp! They could have been successful and rich, could have even founded countries but now look at them...
Hey wait a minute...
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
WiiCubeM1
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
Sorry, I've been working the last few hours.
No, my views on marijuana and junk food come from personal experience and watching half my family near kill themselves from there use. I've gone through the same social programs everyone else does, Say NO to Drugs and all that stuff, but to know people that lose themselves to their habits and become totally different people than you remember them because of their choices to fall for these stupid addictions really does a number on you. I grew up watching a number of my cousins fall into theft and abuse (one of my cousin's torched an Amish man's barn for 2 lbs of weed), and watched my brother become a delinquent due to heavy drinking and pot use (the former which nearly killed him 2 years ago when he wrapped his car around a tree), so I've seen the side of drugs most people never see.
Then you have addiction to junk food. Addicting, unhealthy levels of fat and cholesterol, an increase in heart diease, diabetes, and some types of cancers, and other health risks. The difference lies in the addictions. As a former junk food addict, kicking the habit is quite easy and losing the weight you gain is pretty simple if you have the will to actually stick with a stable plan. Plus, I've never met someone willing to commit robbery or arson for a bag of potato chips.
Basically what you are telling me is that we should allow something to be legalized because it doesn't cause AS MUCH harm as things we already have legalized (which I personally think is a complete load of bullsh*t).
So what you're saying is that you're completely biased against the legalization of marijuana because of the stupid mistakes that people close to you have fallen into. NO offense man, but it isn't all about you. Just like how there are unsuccessful, less desirable people that smoke cannabis there are also people who are the complete opposite. Chances are your family members were on the road to disaster, whether they began hanging out with the wrong people or whatever. What people do in the comfort of their own home is none of your business. And it shouldn't affect you just like how people dying everyday doesn't.
One thing I can say about marijuana is that it will destroy any inner uncertainties you have. What I mean by that is, if you desire to be lazy and do nothing, you'll have no problem doing that. If you want to smoke to induce creativity (like most legendary musicians), you'll have no problem doing that. People need to stop blaming the product and look at themselves.
Marijuana momentarily enhances your senses...it doesn't or at least it shouldn't (assuming you have decent willpower) dismantle your life.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
Jagged3dge
Sorry, I've been working the last few hours.
No, my views on marijuana and junk food come from personal experience and watching half my family near kill themselves from there use. I've gone through the same social programs everyone else does, Say NO to Drugs and all that stuff, but to know people that lose themselves to their habits and become totally different people than you remember them because of their choices to fall for these stupid addictions really does a number on you. I grew up watching a number of my cousins fall into theft and abuse (one of my cousin's torched an Amish man's barn for 2 lbs of weed), and watched my brother become a delinquent due to heavy drinking and pot use (the former which nearly killed him 2 years ago when he wrapped his car around a tree), so I've seen the side of drugs most people never see.
Then you have addiction to junk food. Addicting, unhealthy levels of fat and cholesterol, an increase in heart diease, diabetes, and some types of cancers, and other health risks. The difference lies in the addictions. As a former junk food addict, kicking the habit is quite easy and losing the weight you gain is pretty simple if you have the will to actually stick with a stable plan. Plus, I've never met someone willing to commit robbery or arson for a bag of potato chips.
Basically what you are telling me is that we should allow something to be legalized because it doesn't cause AS MUCH harm as things we already have legalized (which I personally think is a complete load of bullsh*t).
So what you're saying is that you're completely biased against the legalization of marijuana because of the stupid mistakes that people close to you have fallen into. NO offense man, but it isn't all about you. Just like how there are unsuccessful, less desirable people that smoke cannabis there are also people who are the complete opposite. Chances are your family members were on the road to disaster, whether they began hanging out with the wrong people or whatever. What people do in the comfort of their own home is none of your business. And it shouldn't affect you just like how people dying everyday doesn't.
One thing I can say about marijuana is that it will destroy any inner uncertainties you have. What I mean by that is, if you desire to be lazy and do nothing, you'll have no problem doing that. If you want to smoke to induce creativity (like most legendary musicians), you'll have no problem doing that. People need to stop blaming the product and look at themselves.
Marijuana momentarily enhances your senses...it doesn't or at least it shouldn't (assuming you have decent willpower) dismantle your life.
People don't cause cancer. Inhaling a carcinogen causes cancer.
People don't cause cancer. Inhaling a carcinogen causes cancer.
WiiCubeM1
You just contradicted yourself. :?
Look, I understand where you're coming from but making pot illegal isn't going to stop use, nor will it solve the ills of society. You may argue that it's not moral to do drugs but it's not moral to lock up a non-violent person and forever brand him/her as a criminal simply for smoking a joint. It's not moral to see a SWAT team raid a house just for a joint or even raid the wrong house in the name of "protecting" our society?
None of it is moral and all of it is more detrimental to our society than the drugs themselves. And that's sad, very sad.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
People don't cause cancer. Inhaling a carcinogen causes cancer.
leviathan91
You just contradicted yourself. :?
Look, I understand where you're coming from but making pot illegal isn't going to stop use, nor will it solve the ills of society. You may argue that it's not moral to do drugs but it's not moral to lock up a non-violent person and forever brand him/her as a criminal simply for smoking a joint. It's not moral to see a SWAT team raid a house just for a joint or even raid the wrong house in the name of "protecting" our society?
None of it is moral and all of it is more detrimental to our society than the drugs themselves. And that's sad, very sad.
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
no, you dont understand personal liberty when you want to keep drugs illegal[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
WiiCubeM1
Would you let a child play with a gun simply because they can, because that is how I feel about this situation.
So your solution is for the government to treat fully grown adults like children? lmao[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]no, you dont understand personal liberty when you want to keep drugs illegalVanHelsingBoA64
Would you let a child play with a gun simply because they can, because that is how I feel about this situation.
So your solution is for the government to treat fully grown adults like children? lmaoIf grown adults prefer to read so shallowly into my writings... read the rest of my posts.
So your solution is for the government to treat fully grown adults like children? lmao[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Would you let a child play with a gun simply because they can, because that is how I feel about this situation.
WiiCubeM1
If grown adults prefer to read so shallowly into my writings... read the rest of my posts.
I did. Seems like you want to control everyone just because your brother was irresponsible, which isn't really better than what you were implying earlier.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] So your solution is for the government to treat fully grown adults like children? lmao VanHelsingBoA64
If grown adults prefer to read so shallowly into my writings... read the rest of my posts.
I did. Seems like you want to control everyone just because your brother was irresponsible, which isn't really better than what you were implying earlier.
To put it simply, I believe that substances that cause harm should be regulated. In the case of Marijuana and hard drugs, illegalization is the best form of regulation. People like my family will most likely not even bother ever even trying it, and people that want it have no problem acquiring it. There's nothing I can do to stop it's use, that's a fool's thinking. I believe the system we have in place is the right idea. Maybe a few tweaks in the handling, but the system works. Legalizing it would be opening up the floodgates to major problems down the line for many people.
So I don't want tighter control, I just don't want it to be legalized. That is as simple as I can put this.
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
People don't cause cancer. Inhaling a carcinogen causes cancer.
WiiCubeM1
You just contradicted yourself. :?
Look, I understand where you're coming from but making pot illegal isn't going to stop use, nor will it solve the ills of society. You may argue that it's not moral to do drugs but it's not moral to lock up a non-violent person and forever brand him/her as a criminal simply for smoking a joint. It's not moral to see a SWAT team raid a house just for a joint or even raid the wrong house in the name of "protecting" our society?
None of it is moral and all of it is more detrimental to our society than the drugs themselves. And that's sad, very sad.
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
Banning it doesn't equal regulation. Once it's legal, it can be regulated more efficiently so that the drug isn't that dangerous compared to the black market drugs. Banning doesn't accomplish anything since it always goes underground and it always becomes more dangerous and it will always be so unregulated, that kids can get their hands on this stuff because the dealers aren't going to care at all.
Also, when alcohol was banned during the 20s it led to a gateway of mob violence and power and unregulated alcohol, alcohol that was more dangerous than the alcohol that was regulated when it was perfectly legal. LINK The same story with the current drug war. Violence and crime are on the rise because these drugs are benefiting gangs. If legal, it can be regulated just like the legal drugs and the crime rate would decrease significantly.
Also, I don't believe your story since there probably isn't a link between marijuana and cancer. LINK But even if you're right, it was your cousin's fault. Sh*t happens all the time but we learn form it; addiction, whether it's drugs or even soda, can be detrimental but we learn from it. Your cousin didn't but you are but don't enforce your own morality because not everyone is like you and your family.
In the case of Marijuana and hard drugs, illegalization is the best form of regulation.
WiiCubeM1
No, it's the opposite. If it's illegal it's impossible to regulate. The laws that we have (at least in the US) regarding tobacco and alcohol are actual regulation.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
You just contradicted yourself. :?
Look, I understand where you're coming from but making pot illegal isn't going to stop use, nor will it solve the ills of society. You may argue that it's not moral to do drugs but it's not moral to lock up a non-violent person and forever brand him/her as a criminal simply for smoking a joint. It's not moral to see a SWAT team raid a house just for a joint or even raid the wrong house in the name of "protecting" our society?
None of it is moral and all of it is more detrimental to our society than the drugs themselves. And that's sad, very sad.
leviathan91
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
Banning it doesn't equal regulation. Once it's legal, it can be regulated more efficiently so that the drug isn't that dangerous compared to the black market drugs. Banning doesn't accomplish anything since it always goes underground and it always becomes more dangerous and it will always be so unregulated, that kids can get their hands on this stuff because the dealers aren't going to care at all.
Also, when alcohol was banned during the 20s it led to a gateway of mob violence and power and unregulated alcohol, alcohol that was more dangerous than the alcohol that was regulated when it was perfectly legal. LINK The same story with the current drug war. Violence and crime are on the rise because these drugs are benefiting gangs. If legal, it can be regulated just like the legal drugs and the crime rate would decrease significantly.
Also, I don't believe your story since there probably isn't a link between marijuana and cancer. LINK But even if you're right, it was your cousin's fault. Sh*t happens all the time but we learn form it; addiction, whether it's drugs or even soda, can be detrimental but we learn from it. Your cousin didn't but you are but don't enforce your own morality because not everyone is like you and your family.
There, some evidence to back up an argument, instead of just calling my family a bunch of idiots.
I must admit, legalization would cut down on the amount of harmful pot due to an increase in the quality of regulation, but I'm more worried about the scope of future smokers. Even in an environment of safer weed, it would also cause a rise in people affected by the drug, either through addiction or cancer rates, like my cousin (which, BTW, that 2006 study is shoddy at best. Recent studies put the connection back on the table, and some point to a connection with testicular cancer, and I don't trust these studies either. You have to remember that all of these studies on the effects of marijuana are not to be trusted due to the size and quality of test samples due to marijuana's legal status. This includes all health and addiction studies, as there have been studies "proving" both sides of the argument).
You can believe my story or not, to you, I'm just a voice on the internet with a differing opinion. I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, hell, no one really ever has. I'm simply putting my evidence on the table and hoping someone takes the time to actually consider the possibility that their arguments might have flaws. In my arguments on the legal status of marijuana with people, I've learned that there are many flaws with my logic, mostly detaining to my theories on how it should be regulated. That's why I'm glad the decision isn't up to me.
EDIT: Found another study for lung cancer connection.
HAHAH when i was scrolling down the topic page and came across this topic title, i burst out laughing. I don't know, just reading it out of nowhere seriously made me laugh. Congrats.
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
People don't cause cancer. Inhaling a carcinogen causes cancer.
WiiCubeM1
You just contradicted yourself. :?
Look, I understand where you're coming from but making pot illegal isn't going to stop use, nor will it solve the ills of society. You may argue that it's not moral to do drugs but it's not moral to lock up a non-violent person and forever brand him/her as a criminal simply for smoking a joint. It's not moral to see a SWAT team raid a house just for a joint or even raid the wrong house in the name of "protecting" our society?
None of it is moral and all of it is more detrimental to our society than the drugs themselves. And that's sad, very sad.
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
What makes you think that keeping it illegal is going to stop more people from doing it? Look at your own family for example, it is illegal and they still took the chance to smoke it. People are going to do what they want despite the law if they view it as unwarranted. It's so easy to get marijuana in high school because the black market controls it so anything goes. If you want regulation it only makes sense for you to want legalization.
Your cousin made the mistake when he used a drug excessively. Most things have to be used in moderation.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
You just contradicted yourself. :?
Look, I understand where you're coming from but making pot illegal isn't going to stop use, nor will it solve the ills of society. You may argue that it's not moral to do drugs but it's not moral to lock up a non-violent person and forever brand him/her as a criminal simply for smoking a joint. It's not moral to see a SWAT team raid a house just for a joint or even raid the wrong house in the name of "protecting" our society?
None of it is moral and all of it is more detrimental to our society than the drugs themselves. And that's sad, very sad.
Jagged3dge
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
What makes you think that keeping it illegal is going to stop more people from doing it? Look at your own family for example, it is illegal and they still took the chance to smoke it. People are going to do what they want despite the law if they view it as unwarranted. It's so easy to get marijuana in high school because the black market controls it so anything goes. If you want regulation it only makes sense for you to want legalization.
Your cousin made the mistake when he used a drug excessively. Most things have to be used in moderation.
Are you willing to break into someone's house because you'd gain something out of it? Hopefully not, but people still do it on a regular basis, despite the risks and punishments.
As I said before, it would regulate with fear of getting caught, but people that really want it have no problem obtaining it. It's the thinking of an uneducated fool to think that keeping it illegal will stop people from using it completely, but there are many people out there who won't take the chance, me included.
[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
WiiCubeM1
What makes you think that keeping it illegal is going to stop more people from doing it? Look at your own family for example, it is illegal and they still took the chance to smoke it. People are going to do what they want despite the law if they view it as unwarranted. It's so easy to get marijuana in high school because the black market controls it so anything goes. If you want regulation it only makes sense for you to want legalization.
Your cousin made the mistake when he used a drug excessively. Most things have to be used in moderation.
Are you willing to break into someone's house because you'd gain something out of it? Hopefully not, but people still do it on a regular basis, despite the risks and punishments.
As I said before, it would regulate with fear of getting caught, but people that really want it have no problem obtaining it. It's the thinking of an uneducated fool to think that keeping it illegal will stop people from using it completely, but there are many people out there who won't take the chance, me included.
If you're aware that making drugs illegal is ineffective in not only eliminating drugs but also deterring people from using drugs, it makes no sense to support prohibition.[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I know that keeping it illegal isn't going to stop it's use, but it is regulating it's use.
It's not like people who smoke it can say that it really inhibits their fix.
I'm not asking for total stopping of it's use, because I know that will never happen, but keeping it illegal keeps people who would most likely end up like my family did from smoking it as they would not be willing to go through the legal hurdles they'd posibly have to deal with. I just want regulation, and to keep people from ending up like my family did. It's an extremely painful ordeal to see so much of your family go through this, and I don't want to see others go through the same.
PS: I didn't contradict myself. One of my cousins (who used to be a big pot smoker) is currently fighting lung cancer brought on by smoke inhalation (he doesn't smoke tobacco).
WiiCubeM1
What makes you think that keeping it illegal is going to stop more people from doing it? Look at your own family for example, it is illegal and they still took the chance to smoke it. People are going to do what they want despite the law if they view it as unwarranted. It's so easy to get marijuana in high school because the black market controls it so anything goes. If you want regulation it only makes sense for you to want legalization.
Your cousin made the mistake when he used a drug excessively. Most things have to be used in moderation.
Are you willing to break into someone's house because you'd gain something out of it? Hopefully not, but people still do it on a regular basis, despite the risks and punishments.
As I said before, it would regulate with fear of getting caught, but people that really want it have no problem obtaining it. It's the thinking of an uneducated fool to think that keeping it illegal will stop people from using it completely, but there are many people out there who won't take the chance, me included.
See but that's the difference right there. You don't take it because you're convinced it's detrimental to your health and a load of other BS. Don't act like the only reason you "don't take the chance" is due to it being illegal. Why would anyone let a loosely enforced marijuana law keep them from their desire.
Let's pretend that marijuana is harmful. Do you really believe the government is keeping it illegal because of that? Most of the local teens around here are going to the gas stations and picking up "spice", some synthetic marijuana that is far more dangerous and unnatural than cannabis. Kids have ended up in the hospital cause of this stuff and it's legal. Which means it's not showing up on drug tests. The government isn't trying to protect people. Let's not forget cigarettes kill millions yearly.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I understand personal liberty, and I respect anyone that believes in it, but there are just some things that need to be regulated. When people are given access to things like fatty foods, mind-altering substances, and other things of the sort, you've seen where that ends up.
My views in this situation are very complicated. I'm not big into the banning of fatty foods as the negative effects of those substances take a while to set in, and in most cases are very easy to reverse (but I still believe that they should be regulated in some form), while things like marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, and the harder drugs cause multiple long-term (and in many cases, permanent) effects on the human body, such as cancers, mental degredation, and severe addiction.
It's more a case of which is harder hitting.
WiiCubeM1
The effects of junk food on the body certainly are not easy to reverse and can be just as devastating as any drug. Sounds to me like your views are from societal conditioning. People ruining themself from drugs = bad. People ruining themselves from junk food = acceptable.
Sorry, I've been working the last few hours.
No, my views on marijuana and junk food come from personal experience and watching half my family near kill themselves from there use. I've gone through the same social programs everyone else does, Say NO to Drugs and all that stuff, but to know people that lose themselves to their habits and become totally different people than you remember them because of their choices to fall for these stupid addictions really does a number on you. I grew up watching a number of my cousins fall into theft and abuse (one of my cousin's torched an Amish man's barn for 2 lbs of weed), and watched my brother become a delinquent due to heavy drinking and pot use (the former which nearly killed him 2 years ago when he wrapped his car around a tree), so I've seen the side of drugs most people never see.
Then you have addiction to junk food. Addicting, unhealthy levels of fat and cholesterol, an increase in heart diease, diabetes, and some types of cancers, and other health risks. The difference lies in the addictions. As a former junk food addict, kicking the habit is quite easy and losing the weight you gain is pretty simple if you have the will to actually stick with a stable plan. Plus, I've never met someone willing to commit robbery or arson for a bag of potato chips.
Basically what you are telling me is that we should allow something to be legalized because it doesn't cause AS MUCH harm as things we already have legalized (which I personally think is a complete load of bullsh*t).
I've known people who have f*cked up their lives and nearly kill themselves from drug use as well. I've also know people who have used drugs regularly and responsibly. Again, it all comes back to personal responsibility.
And no, I'm telling you drugs should be legal because the government has no goddamned business telling you what you can and cannot put into your own body.
[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
If grown adults prefer to read so shallowly into my writings... read the rest of my posts.
WiiCubeM1
I did. Seems like you want to control everyone just because your brother was irresponsible, which isn't really better than what you were implying earlier.
To put it simply, I believe that substances that cause harm should be regulated. In the case of Marijuana and hard drugs, illegalization is the best form of regulation. People like my family will most likely not even bother ever even trying it, and people that want it have no problem acquiring it. There's nothing I can do to stop it's use, that's a fool's thinking. I believe the system we have in place is the right idea. Maybe a few tweaks in the handling, but the system works. Legalizing it would be opening up the floodgates to major problems down the line for many people.
So I don't want tighter control, I just don't want it to be legalized. That is as simple as I can put this.
This is f*cking stupid. You're saying you want it illegal because then people like your family won't try it, yet it is illegal and your family members did use it. So your solution is no solution at all.
Alright but those first 3... ahahahahaGuys marijuana should be illegal and it does kill people. I mean, just look at Obama, Sarah Palin, Bill Clinton, and Morgan Freeman. Also, George Washington grew hemp! They could have been successful and rich, could have even founded countries but now look at them...
Hey wait a minute...
leviathan91
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