Sooooooo when are they gonna legalize marijuana?

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Guys marijuana should be illegal and it does kill people. I mean, just look at Obama, Sarah Palin, Bill Clinton, and Morgan Freeman. Also, George Washington grew hemp! They could have been successful and rich, could have even founded countries but now look at them...

Hey wait a minute...

brucewayne69

Are you denying that Obama, Palin and Clinton are successful and rich?

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]

I did. Seems like you want to control everyone just because your brother was irresponsible, which isn't really better than what you were implying earlier.

worlock77

To put it simply, I believe that substances that cause harm should be regulated. In the case of Marijuana and hard drugs, illegalization is the best form of regulation. People like my family will most likely not even bother ever even trying it, and people that want it have no problem acquiring it. There's nothing I can do to stop it's use, that's a fool's thinking. I believe the system we have in place is the right idea. Maybe a few tweaks in the handling, but the system works. Legalizing it would be opening up the floodgates to major problems down the line for many people.

So I don't want tighter control, I just don't want it to be legalized. That is as simple as I can put this.

This is f*cking stupid. You're saying you want it illegal because then people like your family won't try it, yet it is illegal and your family members did use it. So your solution is no solution at all.

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]

I did. Seems like you want to control everyone just because your brother was irresponsible, which isn't really better than what you were implying earlier.

worlock77

To put it simply, I believe that substances that cause harm should be regulated. In the case of Marijuana and hard drugs, illegalization is the best form of regulation. People like my family will most likely not even bother ever even trying it, and people that want it have no problem acquiring it. There's nothing I can do to stop it's use, that's a fool's thinking. I believe the system we have in place is the right idea. Maybe a few tweaks in the handling, but the system works. Legalizing it would be opening up the floodgates to major problems down the line for many people.

So I don't want tighter control, I just don't want it to be legalized. That is as simple as I can put this.

This is f*cking stupid. You're saying you want it illegal because then people like your family won't try it, yet it is illegal and your family members did use it. So your solution is no solution at all.

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Guys marijuana should be illegal and it does kill people. I mean, just look at Obama, Sarah Palin, Bill Clinton, and Morgan Freeman. Also, George Washington grew hemp! They could have been successful and rich, could have even founded countries but now look at them...

Hey wait a minute...

worlock77

Are you denying that Obama, Palin and Clinton are successful and rich?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"] Alright but those first 3... ahahahahabrucewayne69

Are you denying that Obama, Palin and Clinton are successful and rich?

so it seems that trolling and flaming are legalized and popular now

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Are you denying that Obama, Palin and Clinton are successful and rich?

UglyDude_07

[QUOTE="UglyDude_07"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"] They are fools! Snooki is rich, which just goes to show that money means nothing.brucewayne69

Obama went to Columbia and Harvard University; was a professor; and is the current president.
Palin still went to college, was heavily involved in politics, and was actually a pretty good governor for Alaska.
Clinton was also a successful college student, became the youngest governor in the United States, and then became president.

As much as I disagree with them politically, they are, without a doubt, successful and intelligent and went on to do amazing things. Now imagine if a police officer caught them doing weed, would their lives be different?

The point is that we're arresting people over possession or even smoking weed. It's asinine to see the same politicians who did drugs but support the War on Drugs even though it's a failure of a policy. This is the very definition of insanity: Doing the same thing hoping that something different will happen.

History shows that prohibition never works.

History shows that prohibition never works.

leviathan91

Under a liberal democracy.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

History shows that prohibition never works.

Socijalisticka

Under a liberal democracy.

Prohibition is Bullshlt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIL5454ltQ

isn't pot legal in CA already?

isn't pot legal in CA already?

CKYguy25

Wow this thread is still going? :?

isn't pot legal in CA already?

CKYguy25

Yes and no. The state law does make pot legal but federal law doesn't and federal law always trump state law.

Until all or most federal laws are removed regarding drugs, it won't matter if the states make it legal.

Wow this thread is still going? :?

[QUOTE="CKYguy25"]

isn't pot legal in CA already?

leviathan91

Yes and no. The state law does make pot legal but federal law doesn't and federal law always trump state law.

Until all or most federal laws are removed regarding drugs, it won't matter if the states make it legal.

And that's only because the 10th amendment (the one that states basically the opposite of that) is constantly ignored. And it's the same way in Alaska. State law allows any adult to possess up to one ounce, for personal use, inside their home. Yet people still get arrested, and sent to prison over it, all the time.

Also, fun fact:

People made a huge deal out of it when California legalized medicinal marijuana, and since then, countless dispensaries have popped up all over the state, selling it to thousands (if not millions, I'm not sure anymore) of customers with prescriptions.

Alaska legalized medicinal marijuana two years before California did. And yet, after all that time, there is still only one dispensary in the whole state, and I think less than 100 people who've been prescribed marijuana, by Alaskan doctors.

[QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

History shows that prohibition never works.

UglyDude_07

Under a liberal democracy.

That its principles prohibit such infringements of rights necessary to eradicate illegal drug markets. How do you suppose China got rid of their opium problem?

[QUOTE="UglyDude_07"][QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

Under a liberal democracy.

Socijalisticka

That its principles prohibit such infringements of rights necessary to eradicate illegal drug markets. How do you suppose China got rid of their opium problem?

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Wow this thread is still going? :?

[QUOTE="CKYguy25"]

isn't pot legal in CA already?

the_bi99man

Yes and no. The state law does make pot legal but federal law doesn't and federal law always trump state law.

Until all or most federal laws are removed regarding drugs, it won't matter if the states make it legal.

And that's only because the 10th amendment (the one that states basically the opposite of that) is constantly ignored. And it's the same way in Alaska. State law allows any adult to possess up to one ounce, for personal use, inside their home. Yet people still get arrested, and sent to prison over it, all the time.

Also, fun fact:

People made a huge deal out of it when California legalized medicinal marijuana, and since then, countless dispensaries have popped up all over the state, selling it to thousands (if not millions, I'm not sure anymore) of customers with prescriptions.

Alaska legalized medicinal marijuana two years before California did. And yet, after all that time, there is still only one dispensary in the whole state, and I think less than 100 people who've been prescribed marijuana, by Alaskan doctors.

When you stop talking like Snoop Lion.

[QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

[QUOTE="UglyDude_07"] What you mean by that?l4dak47

That its principles prohibit such infringements of rights necessary to eradicate illegal drug markets. How do you suppose China got rid of their opium problem?

It was a combination of integration as well as executions. The death penality was reserved for serious offenders. I was specifically referring to the process of tracing criminals, as well as integrating minor offenders; both of which are off limits under our current system.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

When we stop electing social conservatives.

Vuurk

When have we ever elected liberal socialists?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Or liberal socialists. Vuurk

When have we ever elected liberal socialists?

Good joke.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Well I guess Obama claims to be a liberal despite his warmongering and increased restrictions on individual liberties and his general economic policies tend to lean on the socialist side. Vuurk

Good joke.

I want someone who opposes cannabis to tell me why its cool for alcohol to be legal but not weed? explain it to me please

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]yeah dang socialist obama nationalizing all those industries oh wait Vuurk

Can you put up an argument that isn't just a list of buzzwords?

Should probably work towards decriminalization first.

Welfare state? For one, a social safety net does not equate to socialism. For another, this would retroactively make a half century's worth of presidents into socialists. Which is clearly untrue.Abbeten

If Obama's a socialist then I'd hate to know what that makes Reagan. Hell, the government handed out meat and cheese under his watch.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] See bailouts, major wealth redistribution, welfare state, corporate welfare, crony capitalism, central planning, keynesianism, etc. Vuurk

Can you put up an argument that isn't just a list of buzzwords?

Irrelevant to the current point of contention.

Just gonna throw this out there.

Alcohol prohibition's main goal was to reduce arrests and deaths, and it worked.

Just gonna throw this out there.

Alcohol prohibition's main goal was to reduce arrests and deaths, and it worked.

TopTierHustler

lolwut?

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Just gonna throw this out there.

Alcohol prohibition's main goal was to reduce arrests and deaths, and it worked.

worlock77

lolwut?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwhFFMewoY&t=0m15s

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Just gonna throw this out there.

Alcohol prohibition's main goal was to reduce arrests and deaths, and it worked.

TopTierHustler

lolwut?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwhFFMewoY&t=0m15s

Why the f*ck do I still waste my time with you?

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]:oops:

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

lolwut?

worlock77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwhFFMewoY&t=0m15s

Why the f*ck do I still waste my time with you?