[QUOTE="Famiking"] And why is it a must that he be insulted? Willo_10I think its more that they should be allowed to poke fun without having death threats sent around. Why can't everybody just stop taking everything so seriously and chill out :P But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.
South Park is on...they are censoring the word Muhammad altogether
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We shouldn't be mocking other peoples beliefs in the first place. If people from other religions don't mind having their own religions ridiculed then that's their problem. You have to understand that the vast majority of Muslims would find this content extremely offensive.
So why do it?
SpinoRaptor24
Because we can.
Theres alot of offensive stuff in the world. If you can't live with it, you're on the wrong planet, sorry to say. Muslims shouldn't get a free pass simply because they threatened to kill anyone who does something offensive. That reason alone, should get them worse ribbing, honestly.
You don't get to decide what others can and cannot say/think.
We can =/= we should. Not because of death threats from extremists, but because of moral and ethical rights. This isn't about mocking something trivial like a new brand of soda, this is religion, something people devote their entire lives and take very seriously.
And free pass to what? This accounts to all religions and beliefs, not just Muslims and Islam.
All the other religions get made fun of and don't threaten to murder or commit acts of violence against others, why should one religion get a pass? Not everyone has the same moral and ethics and they should not be forced to change their beliefs or ideals because someone said "DO IT OR I'LL KILL YOU!".
The reason I want Muhammad in is because if they bow down and say "Fine we won't do it", it's basically giving the message "If you threaten to kill someone, you will get your way and can violate any rights of free speech" which isn't a great message to send to a radical group.
I think its more that they should be allowed to poke fun without having death threats sent around. Why can't everybody just stop taking everything so seriously and chill out :P But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.[QUOTE="Willo_10"][QUOTE="Famiking"] And why is it a must that he be insulted? Famiking
The idea of free speech is to be able to say what you like without fear of reprisal or imprisonment. If you tack on "Say what you want, but say specific things, I'll kill you" thats not freedom. That'd be like if I gave you two choices. Choose between A and B, if you don't choose A, I attack you. Is there a true choice there? Is there anyr eal freedom?
Why should others live in fear of violent extremists in a country like the US?
I think its more that they should be allowed to poke fun without having death threats sent around. Why can't everybody just stop taking everything so seriously and chill out :P But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.[QUOTE="Willo_10"][QUOTE="Famiking"] And why is it a must that he be insulted? Famiking
QFT. South Park is getting crap now, so they are just looking for stereotypes to draw in the poor excuse of viewers. Pathetic really, anything to seek attention. Funny how stereotyping religions and religious people is becoming a norm these days :roll:
But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.[QUOTE="Famiking"]
[QUOTE="Willo_10"] I think its more that they should be allowed to poke fun without having death threats sent around. Why can't everybody just stop taking everything so seriously and chill out :PDisturbed123
QFT. South Park is getting crap now, so they are just looking for stereotypes to draw in the poor excuse of viewers. Pathetic really, anything to seek attention. Funny how stereotyping religions and religious people is becoming a norm these days :roll:
You are aware that is what made south park famous? Shocking people?
But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.[QUOTE="Famiking"]
[QUOTE="Willo_10"] I think its more that they should be allowed to poke fun without having death threats sent around. Why can't everybody just stop taking everything so seriously and chill out :PPixel-Pirate
The idea of free speech is to be able to say what you like without fear of reprisal or imprisonment. If you tack on "Say what you want, but say specific things, I'll kill you" thats not freedom. That'd be like if I gave you two choices. Choose between A and B, if you don't choose A, I attack you. Is there a true choice there? Is there anyr eal freedom?
Why should others live in fear of violent extremists in a country like the US?
Free speech? Ok cool, ill create an episode of southpark that practically mimicks black people in their skin tone, the way they talk, and talk the mick out of africans in a variety of ways. You're telling me a certain crowd wont be offended? Its free speech, im free to express my throughts aint I? Oh wait, no its called RACISM. People insulting Islam and role models to Islamic society is known as STEREOTYPING. Theres a borderline to free speech. Just these idiots dont know when they have crossed the line.
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[QUOTE="Famiking"] But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.
Pixel-Pirate
QFT. South Park is getting crap now, so they are just looking for stereotypes to draw in the poor excuse of viewers. Pathetic really, anything to seek attention. Funny how stereotyping religions and religious people is becoming a norm these days :roll:
You are aware that is what made south park famous? Shocking people?
Actually back in the day it was alot more toned down with the religious insults. Now theyre making "Muhammad" a character with regular occurances.
All the other religions get made fun of and don't threaten to murder or commit acts of violence against others, why should one religion get a pass? Not everyone has the same moral and ethics and they should not be forced to change their beliefs or ideals because someone said "DO IT OR I'LL KILL YOU!".Just because other religions are more lax doesn't mean Muslims have to be too. It's not "getting a pass", if Christians rebelled people would stop too. And peopel do share a sense of morals; there's a reason it's called common decency. If you are, for the lack of betters words, an immoral pig than you should not expect to be treated so nicely.The reason I want Muhammad in is because if they bow down and say "Fine we won't do it", it's basically giving the message "If you threaten to kill someone, you will get your way and can violate any rights of free speech" which isn't a great message to send to a radical group.
Pixel-Pirate
And what I'm saying is they shouldn't have bothered putting Mohammed in the episode in the first place. They probably knew it was a bad idea but went ahead with it anyway. I have trouble sympathizing with that type of... human.
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[QUOTE="Famiking"] But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.
Disturbed123
The idea of free speech is to be able to say what you like without fear of reprisal or imprisonment. If you tack on "Say what you want, but say specific things, I'll kill you" thats not freedom. That'd be like if I gave you two choices. Choose between A and B, if you don't choose A, I attack you. Is there a true choice there? Is there anyr eal freedom?
Why should others live in fear of violent extremists in a country like the US?
Free speech? Ok cool, ill create an episode of southpark that practically mimicks black people in their skin tone, the way they talk, and talk the mick out of africans in a variety of ways. You're telling me a certain crowd wont be offended? Its free speech, im free to express my throughts aint I? Oh wait, no its called RACISM. People insulting Islam and role models to Islamic society is known as STEREOTYPING. Theres a borderline to free speech. Just these idiots dont know when they have crossed the line.
Um, yes, you would be able to do that. Now if the network airs it is one thing, but you are within your rights to do that. This is why groups like the KKK are free to do rallies. Hate speech and stereotyping is included in freespeech. Again, to me this has nothing to do with "Matt stone and Trey parker are offending nice people!" it's "Matt stone and Trey parker did something that a group of extremists disliked and are getting death threats. Should they have to change their views and ideals because of fear of death?" and my answer on that is no, they should not. I do not agree with thought policing even if it is well intentioned.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Just because other religions are more lax doesn't mean Muslims have to be too. It's not "getting a pass", if Christians rebelled people would stop too. And peopel do share a sense of morals; there's a reason it's called common decency. If you are, for the lack of betters words, an immoral pig than you should not expect to be treated so nicely.[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]All the other religions get made fun of and don't threaten to murder or commit acts of violence against others, why should one religion get a pass? Not everyone has the same moral and ethics and they should not be forced to change their beliefs or ideals because someone said "DO IT OR I'LL KILL YOU!".
The reason I want Muhammad in is because if they bow down and say "Fine we won't do it", it's basically giving the message "If you threaten to kill someone, you will get your way and can violate any rights of free speech" which isn't a great message to send to a radical group.
Famiking
And what I'm saying is they shouldn't have bothered putting Mohammed in the episode in the first place. They probably knew it was a bad idea but went ahead with it anyway. I have trouble sympathizing with that type of... human.
I don't get how people think it's right for others to be forced to change their beliefs and minds from fear of violence. Isn't that basically the definition of terrorism?
Matt stone and Trey Parker should be able to say whatever they want in the US. It is their right. No one should be supporting someone trying to murder them for practicing their right to free speech.
Scientologists were also largely upset when they made fun of scientology. Why was that okay but making fun of Islam is not? Why is Islam superior to scientology? Because Tom cruise didn't threaten to kill Matt stone?
"Reason" is completely irrelevant.
They do what they want to, and that's that. Their reasons are their own.
MrGeezer
They don't "do what they want to". They censored Southpark because they're afraid of how a bunch of blood-thirsty savages with a penchant for nipping off people's heads will react. That's not free-will. That's intimidation, and I think that the decision-makers at Viacom are cowards for not standing up against it.
EDIT: Just ty clarify, by "bloodthirsty savages with a penchant for nipping off people's heads", I was referring only to the extremists like the ones that murdered Theo Van Gogh.
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
The idea of free speech is to be able to say what you like without fear of reprisal or imprisonment. If you tack on "Say what you want, but say specific things, I'll kill you" thats not freedom. That'd be like if I gave you two choices. Choose between A and B, if you don't choose A, I attack you. Is there a true choice there? Is there anyr eal freedom?
Why should others live in fear of violent extremists in a country like the US?
Pixel-Pirate
Free speech? Ok cool, ill create an episode of southpark that practically mimicks black people in their skin tone, the way they talk, and talk the mick out of africans in a variety of ways. You're telling me a certain crowd wont be offended? Its free speech, im free to express my throughts aint I? Oh wait, no its called RACISM. People insulting Islam and role models to Islamic society is known as STEREOTYPING. Theres a borderline to free speech. Just these idiots dont know when they have crossed the line.
Um, yes, you would be able to do that. Now if the network airs it is one thing, but you are within your rights to do that. This is why groups like the KKK are free to do rallies. Hate speech and stereotyping is included in freespeech. Again, to me this has nothing to do with "Matt stone and Trey parker are offending nice people!" it's "Matt stone and Trey parker did something that a group of extremists disliked and are getting death threats. Should they have to change their views and ideals because of fear of death?" and my answer on that is no, they should not. I do not agree with thought policing even if it is well intentioned.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
That alone shows how screwed up society is and what can pass by as ok these days without considering what people of ethic beliefs or of different racial background think. Stereotyping is just pathetic, and was alot more less before 9/11 happened. It shows nothing but discouragement. End of/
Anyways, i got better things to do, like head out to Uni, so peace out.
I don't get how people think it's right for others to be forced to change their beliefs and minds from fear of violence. Isn't that basically the definition of terrorism?It doesn't have to be because of the fear of violence - it can be out of common decency. Which seems to be something the South Park creators are lacking, but I digress.Matt stone and Trey Parker should be able to say whatever they want in the US. It is their right. No one should be supporting someone trying to murder them for practicing their right to free speech.
Scientologists were also largely upset when they made fun of scientology. Why was that okay but making fun of Islam is not? Why is Islam superior to scientology? Because Tom cruise didn't threaten to kill Matt stone?
Pixel-Pirate
Even if it is the US, there are consequences for actions. It's the beauty of life - everything has its reactions. They should be able to deal with it, or not do the action to begin with.
And I don't think I ever said one religion is more important than the other. They may have failed at their individual attemps to call for baisc respect, but that doesn't mean Muslims should just give up too.
anyway, I have to go now, talk later.
Scott tenerman is erics half brother mind=blown.
raiden509
could have put in spoiler tags dude....
some of us haven't had a chance to see it yet.
I think its more that they should be allowed to poke fun without having death threats sent around. Why can't everybody just stop taking everything so seriously and chill out :P But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences. In an ideal world there would not be any consequences. Of course that is not the case, and I agree that they should be very mindful of the consequences they may face as a result of ridiculing Muhammed. People are always going to have different opinions, and they are going to ridicule you because of your beliefs or lack thereof. In the end, they deserve to be ridiculed if they are making death threats over (in the grand scheme of things) some insignificant cartoon :|[QUOTE="Willo_10"][QUOTE="Famiking"] And why is it a must that he be insulted? Famiking
But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.
Famiking
Christians, Jews, Athiests, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, etc etc shouldn't have to abide by islam's rules. Sure, depicting muhammed is a sin, but only to a muslim. Depicting muhammed is not a sin as per Christian teaching, so thus a Christian should be able depict muhammed any way that he desires and be free of threats and intimidation.
You don't get to threaten and intimidate people into respecting your prophet. If you don't like that someone disrespects your religious figure, then too bad. You have no right to threaten and intimidate people just because they don't like a particular subject that you revere.
It was done purposely as a joke. If you watch the whole episode that becomes clear.They were probably forced to by comedy central. And i think it is horrible that people would threaten someone simply because they insulted your "beliefs".
hoola
And I don't think I ever said one religion is more important than the other. They may have failed at their individual attemps to call for baisc respect, but that doesn't mean Muslims should just give up too.
Famiking
So, in other words, you are endorsing the use of intimidation and threats of violence as a means by which to enforce respect of a religious view. Wow. You know that is extreme, right?
It doesn't have to be because of the fear of violence - it can be out of common decency. Which seems to be something the South Park creators are lacking, but I digress.[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]I don't get how people think it's right for others to be forced to change their beliefs and minds from fear of violence. Isn't that basically the definition of terrorism?
Matt stone and Trey Parker should be able to say whatever they want in the US. It is their right. No one should be supporting someone trying to murder them for practicing their right to free speech.
Scientologists were also largely upset when they made fun of scientology. Why was that okay but making fun of Islam is not? Why is Islam superior to scientology? Because Tom cruise didn't threaten to kill Matt stone?
Famiking
Even if it is the US, there are consequences for actions. It's the beauty of life - everything has its reactions. They should be able to deal with it, or not do the action to begin with.
And I don't think I ever said one religion is more important than the other. They may have failed at their individual attemps to call for baisc respect, but that doesn't mean Muslims should just give up too.
anyway, I have to go now, talk later.
So you justifable to attack people who say things you dislike?
Cool. So if someone says something I dislike, I can go up and punch them and it's justifiable because "Everything you say has consequences!"
No, they should not have to "deal with it". The idea of free speech is to be able to exercise your ideas and opinions without fear of violent reprisal or lawful consequences. Would you say it'd be okay for liberals to send death threats to Rush Limbaugh because "He shoulda thought about what he said?" I wouldn't. It's everyones right to say what they want.
This is not Mad Max. You and no other group gets to make up the rules of society and deem it acceptable to murder or assault others if you dislike what they say. We have laws, and violent threats are not permitted even with such a great excuse as "I didn't like what they said, so I should be able to kill them."
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But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.
dkrustyklown
Christians, Jews, Athiests, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, etc etc shouldn't have to abide by islam's rules. Sure, depicting muhammed is a sin, but only to a muslim. Depicting muhammed is not a sin as per Christian teaching, so thus a Christian should be able depict muhammed any way that he desires and be free of threats and intimidation.
You don't get to threaten and intimidate people into respecting your prophet. If you don't like that someone disrespects your religious figure, then too bad. You have no right to threaten and intimidate people just because they don't like a particular subject that you revere.
I think this is the first time I've truly agreed with you on something. And I do agree entirely.
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But why does he have to be in this episode? Rabid South Park fans are fighting so much to get him in, when it's a really stupid idea to begin with. In Islam it's a major major sin to depict Muhammed in such a manner. It doesn't matter if Christians or w/e don't care, if you willingly do something stupid you should be ready to pay the consequences.
dkrustyklown
Christians, Jews, Athiests, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, etc etc shouldn't have to abide by islam's rules. Sure, depicting muhammed is a sin, but only to a muslim. Depicting muhammed is not a sin as per Christian teaching, so thus a Christian should be able depict muhammed any way that he desires and be free of threats and intimidation.
You don't get to threaten and intimidate people into respecting your prophet. If you don't like that someone disrespects your religious figure, then too bad. You have no right to threaten and intimidate people just because they don't like a particular subject that you revere.
When you are discussing someone willing to kill you over a joke logic and rights are irrelevant. It comes down to a personal decision. Does the chance of getting killed outweigh my right to making unfunny jokes about a respected religious figure? If the answer is yes then go for. However, if the answer is no then don't do it. You all can argue morals, laws, and rights as you please, but if someone holds a gun to your head and tell you to quack like a chicken then thats what you better do.who ever is giving them treats are complete douchbags
who ever is giving them treats are complete douchbags
hiphopballer
:cry:
I like treats. I especially like cupcakes, but I'll settle for ice cream. What's wrong with treats?
I'm just kidding, I know that you meant threats. I couldn't help but take the opportunity to express my love for cupcakes.
[QUOTE="hoola"]It was done purposely as a joke. If you watch the whole episode that becomes clear.They were probably forced to by comedy central. And i think it is horrible that people would threaten someone simply because they insulted your "beliefs".
jeremiah06
No it wasn't. You can't even watch it online yet because they edited everything out at the last minute.
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who ever is giving them treats are complete douchbags
dkrustyklown
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I like treats. I especially like cupcakes, but I'll settle for ice cream. What's wrong with treats?
I'm just kidding, I know that you meant threats. I couldn't help but take the opportunity to express my love for cupcakes.
I'll get in on this. Cupcakes are possibly man's greatest achievement. I mean really.. how can you resist such deliciousness. Now if Islamic extremists started handing out cupcakes instead of threats, the world would be a happier place :)It was done purposely as a joke. If you watch the whole episode that becomes clear.[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="hoola"]
They were probably forced to by comedy central. And i think it is horrible that people would threaten someone simply because they insulted your "beliefs".
PeaceChild90
No it wasn't. You can't even watch it online yet because they edited everything out at the last minute.
Which could also be a running gag. Did you see how much was bleeped from the episode? An entire speech given by 3 people lasting over 2 mins was bleeped out. There is no way they'd bleep that much if it was really a problem the episode wouldn't have aired on TV.When you are discussing someone willing to kill you over a joke logic and rights are irrelevant. It comes down to a personal decision. Does the chance of getting killed outweigh my right to making unfunny jokes about a respected religious figure? If the answer is yes then go for. However, if the answer is no then don't do it. You all can argue morals, laws, and rights as you please, but if someone holds a gun to your head and tell you to quack like a chicken then thats what you better do.jeremiah06
Courage means standing up for your rights and refusing to bow to intimidation, even at the risk of life and limb. You stick to your guns and if something happens to you, then you should at least have the comfort of knowing that at least an attempt to bring the people that wronged you to justice will be made.
Principle still matters to some people.
When a whole country or group of countries collectively start using threats and intimidation to squash an American's freedom of expression, then I say it's time to turn that land into glass.
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] When you are discussing someone willing to kill you over a joke logic and rights are irrelevant. It comes down to a personal decision. Does the chance of getting killed outweigh my right to making unfunny jokes about a respected religious figure? If the answer is yes then go for. However, if the answer is no then don't do it. You all can argue morals, laws, and rights as you please, but if someone holds a gun to your head and tell you to quack like a chicken then thats what you better do.dkrustyklown
Courage means standing up for your rights and refusing to bow to intimidation, even at the risk of life and limb. You stick to your guns and if something happens to you, then you should at least have the comfort of knowing that at least an attempt to bring the people that wronged you to justice.
Principle still matters to some people.
When a whole country or group of countries collectively start using threats and intimidation to squash an American's freedom of expression, then I say it's time to turn that land into glass.
Sure if the whole country is willing to go to war over it. I'm 1000% positive America won't war over two dead cartoonist. So, the question is Principle in death? Or shame in life(as if it would really bring you shame)? Really there is a line between courage and stupidity. Color me a coward but there are more important things in life than dying over a offensive image.[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"] It was done purposely as a joke. If you watch the whole episode that becomes clear.jeremiah06
No it wasn't. You can't even watch it online yet because they edited everything out at the last minute.
Which could also be a running gag. Did you see how much was bleeped from the episode? An entire speech given by 3 people lasting over 2 mins was bleeped out. There is no way they'd bleep that much if it was really a problem the episode wouldn't have aired on TV.That's a good point. I guess we'll find out soon. I just want to know if it's a joke or not. :P
When a whole country or group of countries collectively start using threats and intimidation to squash an American's freedom of expression, then I say it's time to turn that land into glass.dkrustyklown
This is just beautiful. ^
Really. Validating all my preconceived notions here.
All the other religions get made fun of and don't threaten to murder or commit acts of violence against others, why should one religion get a pass? Not everyone has the same moral and ethics and they should not be forced to change their beliefs or ideals because someone said "DO IT OR I'LL KILL YOU!".
The reason I want Muhammad in is because if they bow down and say "Fine we won't do it", it's basically giving the message "If you threaten to kill someone, you will get your way and can violate any rights of free speech" which isn't a great message to send to a radical group.
Pixel-Pirate
This whole "It's a free country we can do what we want" argument you're touting sounds incredibly flawed. What you're saying is it's ok to make fun of someones beliefs because "hey it's a free country" but it's not ok when that person who has been offended retaliates.
Of course I don't approve of Muslim extremists who throw death threats (and I'm pretty sure neither does the Islamic community) but you have to understand that they're doing this because they've been insulted to such an extent. Like I've mentioned this isn't like making fun of a celebrity's bad haircut, it's making fun of Religion, something far, far more serious.
And again, this accounts to all of them. Just because a couple of religions accept being insulted doesn't mean all of them should do the same. The only reason they 'get a pass' as you so claim is because they're defending their honour and beliefs while other religions either don't care about being insulted or are just oblivious.
Sure if the whole country is willing to go to war over it. I'm 1000% positive America won't war over two dead cartoonist. So, the question is Principle in death? Or shame in life(as if it would really bring you shame)? Really there is a line between courage and stupidity. Color me a coward but there are more important things in life than dying over a offensive image.jeremiah06
If religious leaders in another country call for the death of two American cartoonists and they end being murdered, then yes, the US should wage war. Our hydrogen bombs produce very little residual radiation and would be most effective.
I guarantee you that the rest of the world would shut the fudge up if the US actually reacted this way. Of course it won't happen, however, because our leaders are too wimpy for this. I subscribe to the Curtis Lemay school of foreign policy :twisted:
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]Sure if the whole country is willing to go to war over it. I'm 1000% positive America won't war over two dead cartoonist. So, the question is Principle in death? Or shame in life(as if it would really bring you shame)? Really there is a line between courage and stupidity. Color me a coward but there are more important things in life than dying over a offensive image.dkrustyklown
If religious leaders in another country call for the death of two American cartoonists and they end being murdered, then yes, the US should wage war. Our hydrogen bombs produce very little residual radiation and would be most effective.
I guarantee you that the rest of the world would shut the fudge up if the US actually reacted this way. Of course it won't happen, however, because our leaders are too wimpy for this. I subscribe to the Curtis Lemay school of foreign policy :twisted:
Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy...Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy... jeremiah06
"who may or may not have had it coming"
So, you think that it is plausible for a person to deserve to die for drawing a cartoon, is that right? I realize that you said "may or may not", but I find the fact that you said "may" to be absolutely shocking. No one, under any circumstance, should ever "have had it coming" for drawing a cartoon. There is not "may" to it. There should be no possibility for "may" in the matter. It is irrefutable and beyond question that a cartoonist should never face death for drawing a cartoon, regardless of what the cartoon's content is.
Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy... jeremiah06Threats are a criminal offense and should be dealt with. It's not okay to threaten. Ever.
Wow, is all I can say. Way too disappointed. HoolaHoopManSame here i was expecting something really bad to happen to mohamed ( you know like he dies in a very funny way or something) either way the 2 episodes were pretty cool.
[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]I guarantee you that the rest of the world would shut the fudge up if the US actually reacted this way.BiancaDKI guarantee you they wouldn't. =)
Oh, puh-lease. If the US nuked one of the middleastern countries, especially after being provoked by their incitement to the murder of American citizens, no one would lift a finger against us. The Russian's would laugh all the way to the bank as oil prices skyrocketed. The Chinese would be paralyzed in indecision, since they wouldn't like the price of oil but they would hate to lose access to the American market. The Pakistanis would be paralyed in fear, knowing that India is waiting right there to shove some missiles up its Indus. Israel would throw a party. France would grumble, but in the end, do nothing. Britain would ask, "how high?" after we told them to jump. None of the other countries matter.
So, um, yeah, nothing really to stop us.
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy... dkrustyklown
"who may or may not have had it coming"
So, you think that it is plausible for a person to deserve to die for drawing a cartoon, is that right? I realize that you said "may or may not", but I find the fact that you said "may" to be absolutely shocking. No one, under any circumstance, should ever "have had it coming" for drawing a cartoon. There is not "may" to it. There should be no possibility for "may" in the matter. It is irrefutable and beyond question that a cartoonist should never face death for drawing a cartoon, regardless of what the cartoon's content is.
Look, personally I'm pro-life. However, I'm also understanding of all views. I realize that there are people who would kill over things and If you enticethese people then sure you had it coming(in their eyes). Like I said logic has nobarringif you're dealing with people who was influenced enough to kill/ even suicidebomb over such things. It may not be pretty or even easy to accept, but sabes que c'est la vie...Why do they even bother airing episodes with Mohammed in it? The reason they're offended is because he's in it. Not because they made him a bear or something. And no, I don't think it's determental to free speech. If you're going to do something stupid/disrespectful, then you have to accept any criticism that's thrown at you.Famiking
criticism is quite different to death threats
Threats are a criminal offense and should be dealt with. It's not okay to threaten. Ever. Those are pretty enough words and the ideology behind it is ever sweeter. However, the world isn't comprised of sugar and rainbows. The truth is obvious though, America won't war over the death of south parks cartoonist.[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy... LJS9502_basic
Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy... jeremiah06
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I guarantee you they wouldn't. =)[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]I guarantee you that the rest of the world would shut the fudge up if the US actually reacted this way.dkrustyklown
Oh, puh-lease. If the US nuked one of the middleastern countries, especially after being provoked by their incitement to the murder of American citizens, no one would lift a finger against us. The Russian's would laugh all the way to the bank as oil prices skyrocketed. The Chinese would be paralyzed in indecision, since they wouldn't like the price of oil but they would hate to lose access to the American market. The Pakistanis would be paralyed in fear, knowing that India is waiting right there to shove some missiles up its Indus. Israel would throw a party. France would grumble, but in the end, do nothing. Britain would ask, "how high?" after we told them to jump. None of the other countries matter.
So, um, yeah, nothing really to stop us.
This is truly foolish, You don't think the UN wouldn't throw us under the bus after we nuked a whole country over one extremist group because they killed TWO PEOPLE? The pretentious snobbery of your people will soon come to an end... would be the last words we heard before all the world went to war with us!Oh, puh-lease. If the US nuked one of the middleastern countries, especially after being provoked by their incitement to the murder of American citizens, no one would lift a finger against us. The Russian's would laugh all the way to the bank as oil prices skyrocketed. The Chinese would be paralyzed in indecision, since they wouldn't like the price of oil but they would hate to lose access to the American market. The Pakistanis would be paralyed in fear, knowing that India is waiting right there to shove some missiles up its Indus. Israel would throw a party. France would grumble, but in the end, do nothing. Britain would ask, "how high?" after we told them to jump. None of the other countries matter.So, um, yeah, nothing really to stop us.
dkrustyklown
Yes, the collective minds of the world outside the borders of USA would go; "best not say anything, 'cos it might just be us next/we are making a profit out of this." :lol:
you live in a funny little world if you really believe it'll actually work to end all the international criticism raised, aimed at the states. =)
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]Thats the thing its never the religious leaders/on record anyway. Its the extremist. Yes, because not wanting thousands of Americans dying over two cartoonist who may or may not have had it coming makes them wimpy... dkrustyklown
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The underlining point is still valid.(After reading through this thread) For a while there Pixel Pirate was getting teamed up on, was wondering when someone was going to come and help. :P
I agree that no religion should get a "Free Pass" from Parody, It's a "personal belief" system not LAW (our law anyway). And by telling an extremist group they can get what they want by Death Threats (remember 9/11 or all these other sensless murders?) you're telling them they can strike the core of what America stands for!
That's my input into the matter.
This is truly foolish, You don't think the UN would throw us under the bus after we nuked a whole country over one extremist group because they killed TWO PEOPLE? The pretentious snobbery of your people will soon come to an end... would be the last words we heard before all the world went to war with us!jeremiah06
ROFL! The UN?!? Ha! What army does the UN have? What's their transport capacity? How many long range missiles to they have in their possession? What's the UN's military industrial capacity?
The UN, pffft, ROFL! Ever heard of a security council veto? Do you know what that is?
I already explained why the nuclear powers would do nothing. The Russians would have much to gain as bystanders and too much to lose as combatants. The Chinese are too economically intertwined with the US to do anything (their export market depends on the US, plus the US owes them money...money which I assume they will want back some day), the Pakistani's are scared of India. The Israelis would cheer us on. The French just aren't up to it. The British, well, they just do what we tell them to do.
As for the rest of the countries, their combined arms, all of them, wouldn't amount to squat. Number of US nuclear warheads=over 5,000. Number of nuclear warheads between all of the countries other than China, Russia, France, Israel, Pakistan, India, and Britain=3 (North Korea...and with a horrible delivery system).
Hmmm....5,000 vs 3? I wonder how that would turn out?
EDIT: Oh, and nevermind that a big chunk really wouldn't care if the US did that, either. I'm originally from Spain, and I can guarantee you that Spanish people would not fight a world war to avenge the destruction of a middleastern country. I really don't know of any country outside of the middle east that would fight that war agains the US. I think that you would be surprised by just how many countries remained silent in secret support of the US.
I know the Spanish, and I know that they would not fight a war on behalf of people that they call Moors. I don't think that the Portuguese, Austrians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Italians, Greeks, or Armenians would fight such a war, either.
EDIT#2: Also, I never suggested that the US nuke a country because of extremists murdering our citizens. I suggested it as a response to another country calling for and inciting the murder of US citizens. There is a difference.
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] This is truly foolish, You don't think the UN would throw us under the bus after we nuked a whole country over one extremist group because they killed TWO PEOPLE? The pretentious snobbery of your people will soon come to an end... would be the last words we heard before all the world went to war with us!dkrustyklown
ROFL! The UN?!? Ha! What army does the UN have? What's their transport capacity? How many long range missiles to they have in their possession. What's the UN's military industrial capacity?
The UN, pffft, ROFL! Ever heard of a security council veto? Do you know what that is?
I already explained why the nuclear powers would do nothing. The Russians would have much to gain as bystanders and too much to lose as combatants. The Chinese are too economically intertwined with the US to do anything (their export market depends on the US, plus the US owes them money...money which I assume they will want back some day), the Pakistani's are scared of India. The Israelis would cheer us on. The French just aren't up to it. The British, well, they just do what we tell them to do.
As for the rest of the countries, their combined arms, all of them, wouldn't amount to squat. Number of US nuclear warheads=over 5,000. Number of nuclear warheads between all of the countries other than China, Russia, France, Israel, Pakistan, India, and Britain=3 (North Korea...and with a horrible delivery system).
Hmmm....5,000 vs 3? I wonder how that would turn out?
How childish is that? Where does the American people come into play? Congress? You really think if it was feasible for us to go down a war path nuking as we pleased? Russia secretly hates us and would jump at the chance to join the chance to take us on if there was a chance at victory(i.e. the entire Islamic world wars with us). The Chinese would much rather conquer us then and take our money then wait to get it aid back. Pakistan doesn't like us that much either, and Israel has its own problems to deal with. The rest of the nuclear powers would just watch us burn rather than help us.Please Log In to post.
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