So...why would ANYONE even want to disprove religion?

Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


darklord888

Religion is the opposite of that, and it CAN be exploited just like many other things can. Just because George Bush screwed up his presidential terms do you think we should remove the democratic system from the United States? Hey science has done its share of evil too, with countless biological and nuclear weapons, so we should just stop all research now right?

I also find it HILARIOUS that you included biggotry when you just generelized not just ONE religion but anyone who believes in anything as being; Gready ignorant warmongers.

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


harashawn

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

I've been trying to think of a good reason for this. I've come up with nothing.

[QUOTE="fredyfish"]

we should disprove religion it starts too many conflicts

Genetic_Code

Atheism doesn't? Wow. :o

When has Atheism ever started a war?

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


Penguin_dragon

I also find it HILARIOUS that you included biggotry when you just generelized not just ONE religion but anyone who believes in anything as being; Gready ignorant warmongers.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


darklord888

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

Those terrorist weren't even from Iraq.

Maybe the person was supposed to die. Keeping someone alive with stem cells is a touchy topic. But not allowing someone to die (Life support) is playing God.

And God does not control what people do.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

I've been trying to think of a good reason for this. I've come up with nothing.

[QUOTE="fredyfish"]

we should disprove religion it starts too many conflicts

Cooldude224

Atheism doesn't? Wow. :o

When has Atheism ever started a war?

The suggestion was about conflicts, not wars. State atheism.

Maybe the person was supposed to die. Keeping someone alive with stem cells is a touchy topic. But not allowing someone to die (Life support) is playing God.

And God does not control what people do.

harashawn

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


darklord888

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

1. Show me ONE church that is worth billions.

4. They are not religious, it is against their own religious text to murder other people just like most religions. And terrorist are NOT at war to prove their god is better than ours. Pick up a history book (assuming your literate) and research before saying something stupid.

5. First of all dont compare your self to God. You are an insignificant spec compared to the "imaginary" being.

Secondly, it would be nice if we didn't have to kill babies in order to, RESEARCH. We still have not studied stem cell researching long enough to use it so even if you got your way and had a million children executed, it would still be years before little timmy gets his new lung.

And we have free will to believe as we wish. You can believe in your science (which HAS been proven wrong countless times as time proggresses) and I will believe in my religion. Not because someone told me to, or because I have "facts" to prove it, but I will do it just because I can.

[QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


darklord888

I also find it HILARIOUS that you included biggotry when you just generelized not just ONE religion but anyone who believes in anything as being; Gready ignorant warmongers.

It's leaders?

Yeah that Ghandi fellow sure did mess up the world.

Extremist followers?

Do you even know what that means? If someone where an extremist follower of ANY religion they would not do the things you blindly accused them off unless their religion was Satinism or something of the like.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


Penguin_dragon

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

1. Show me ONE church that is worth billions.

4. They are not religious, it is against their own religious text to murder other people just like most religions. And terrorist are NOT at war to prove their god is better than ours. Pick up a history book (assuming your literate) and research before saying something stupid.

5. First of all dont compare your self to God. You are an insignificant spec compared to the "imaginary" being.

Secondly, it would be nice if we didn't have to kill babies in order to, RESEARCH. We still have not studied stem cell researching long enough to use it so even if you got your way and had a million children executed, it would still be years before little timmy gets his new lung.

And we have free will to believe as we wish. You can believe in your science (which HAS been proven wrong countless times as time proggresses) and I will believe in my religion. Not because someone told me to, or because I have "facts" to prove it, but I will do it just because I can.

Yeah, Science has been proven wrong but the laws proven wrong have been replaces with theories that will either be proven true, or replaced by other theories. Its a never ending cycle. Go ahead, stick to your "God" and Ill think for myself. I cant believe a book, or follow a control crazy church.

Because they hate it.

5. First of all dont compare your self to God. You are an insignificant spec compared to the "imaginary" being.

Secondly, it would be nice if we didn't have to kill babies in order to, RESEARCH. We still have not studied stem cell researching long enough to use it so even if you got your way and had a million children executed, it would still be years before little timmy gets his new lung.

And we have free will to believe as we wish. You can believe in your science (which HAS been proven wrong countless times as time proggresses) and I will believe in my religion. Not because someone told me to, or because I have "facts" to prove it, but I will do it just because I can.

Penguin_dragon

If it was up to religion we'd still think the earth was flat and space was the heavens. Instead we're looking at creating light speed, mini-black holes, landing on mars, finding cures for cancer and making life better for all.

We're entering an age where we don't need religion and its holding us back a lot. If god gave us completely inderpendance lets use it! Lets stop doing what god may or may not think or right and wrong or what he may or may not want us doing. Lets stop following crap 2000 year old or older. Tribesmen 40,000 years ago had religions to fill in the gaps of what they couldn't understand(like space and death), now we have science to help us learn not just guess.

I think South Park has made the most accurate prediction of what would happen if religion were banished and outlawed. Atheists would simply begin to fight amongst themselves to prove which Atheism is the "correct" one. It would be the Darwins vs. (Insert X Scientist here]. Anyways, Religion is good for the soul and I find that people who do believe in a higher power are generally nicer then those who don't. While I have no problems with Atheism (I believe in freedom or lack of religion), some of the snobbiest, most uptight douchebags I've ever met are ardent Atheists.

In short, destroying religion would do nothing but make the world a much gloomier, less vibrant place in general. Do you really want to live in a world ruled by only harsh fact? What if everyone's favorite fairy tale or myth was abolished because it did not "exist?" Faith does not mean believing in a higher power, it just means believing in... well anything really. Also, some of the most harsh and brutal Dictatorships (Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia come to mind) were staunchly Atheist. On the other hand, some of the cruelest organizations in the world were Theistic (Spanish Inquisition). It doesn't matter whether you believe in God or not, people will do awful things in the name of what they think is right.

[QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"][QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


Matt-4542

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

1. Show me ONE church that is worth billions.

4. They are not religious, it is against their own religious text to murder other people just like most religions. And terrorist are NOT at war to prove their god is better than ours. Pick up a history book (assuming your literate) and research before saying something stupid.

5. First of all dont compare your self to God. You are an insignificant spec compared to the "imaginary" being.

Secondly, it would be nice if we didn't have to kill babies in order to, RESEARCH. We still have not studied stem cell researching long enough to use it so even if you got your way and had a million children executed, it would still be years before little timmy gets his new lung.

And we have free will to believe as we wish. You can believe in your science (which HAS been proven wrong countless times as time proggresses) and I will believe in my religion. Not because someone told me to, or because I have "facts" to prove it, but I will do it just because I can.

Yeah, Science has been proven wrong but the laws proven wrong have been replaces with theories that will either be proven true, or replaced by other theories. Its a never ending cycle. Go ahead, stick to your "God" and Ill think for myself. I cant believe a book, or follow a control crazy church.

5. Wow you dont understand the whole premise of religion do you? Well you see its like this, I believe that since my mom lived a good life, she will go to heaven. Stupid? Well I guess it just depends on your perspecitve.

If there was a surefire cure to whatever she had, of course I would try it, but not at the cost of the life of another, its not like I would stop her from getting an important shot, but I know even she would not like to live with herself knowing it was at the cost of a fetus.

And im not arguing against you, nor trying to change your beliefs, just to make it clear. I am just trying to point out the flaws in his insanely flawed view on religion.

[QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"]5. First of all dont compare your self to God. You are an insignificant spec compared to the "imaginary" being.

Secondly, it would be nice if we didn't have to kill babies in order to, RESEARCH. We still have not studied stem cell researching long enough to use it so even if you got your way and had a million children executed, it would still be years before little timmy gets his new lung.

And we have free will to believe as we wish. You can believe in your science (which HAS been proven wrong countless times as time proggresses) and I will believe in my religion. Not because someone told me to, or because I have "facts" to prove it, but I will do it just because I can.

darklord888

If it was up to religion we'd still think the earth was flat and space was the heavens. Instead we're looking at creating light speed, mini-black holes, landing on mars, finding cures for cancer and making life better for all.

We're entering an age where we don't need religion and its holding us back a lot. If god gave us completely inderpendance lets use it! Lets stop doing what god may or may not think or right and wrong or what he may or may not want us doing. Lets stop following crap 2000 year old or older. Tribesmen 40,000 years ago had religions to fill in the gaps of what they couldn't understand(like space and death), now we have science to help us learn not just guess.

Aborted fetuses are dead babies. And Stem Cells without the use of fetuses is Ok with me, unfortunately that is still just a THEORY according to what I last read.

And science beeing proven wrong by science is not an upgrade from science being proved wrong by religion. It was scientist who said the earth was flat, and that too was bull. You just have a biased view. Irregardless, my point was that we cant take science as the opitamy of logic that will stand forever, just like I cant say Religion is write in everyway.

And religion is holding no one back. Just because you believe in God doesnt mean you can't be smart. There ARE scientist who have their own beliefs whatever they may be, who are working on making the world a better place.

Man! I posted my joke on the first page to lighten the mood and not turn this into a serious debate :c.

Wheres that guy that took everyone out for coffee and donuts?! We need him D:

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"]5. First of all dont compare your self to God. You are an insignificant spec compared to the "imaginary" being.

Secondly, it would be nice if we didn't have to kill babies in order to, RESEARCH. We still have not studied stem cell researching long enough to use it so even if you got your way and had a million children executed, it would still be years before little timmy gets his new lung.

And we have free will to believe as we wish. You can believe in your science (which HAS been proven wrong countless times as time proggresses) and I will believe in my religion. Not because someone told me to, or because I have "facts" to prove it, but I will do it just because I can.

Penguin_dragon

If it was up to religion we'd still think the earth was flat and space was the heavens. Instead we're looking at creating light speed, mini-black holes, landing on mars, finding cures for cancer and making life better for all.

We're entering an age where we don't need religion and its holding us back a lot. If god gave us completely inderpendance lets use it! Lets stop doing what god may or may not think or right and wrong or what he may or may not want us doing. Lets stop following crap 2000 year old or older. Tribesmen 40,000 years ago had religions to fill in the gaps of what they couldn't understand(like space and death), now we have science to help us learn not just guess.

Aborted fetuses are dead babies. And Stem Cells without the use of fetuses is Ok with me, unfortunately that is still just a THEORY according to what I last read.

And science beeing proven wrong by science is not an upgrade from science being proved wrong by religion. It was scientist who said the earth was flat, and that too was bull. You just have a biased view. Irregardless, my point was that we cant take science as the opitamy of logic that will stand forever, just like I cant say Religion is write in everyway.

And religion is holding no one back. Just because you believe in God doesnt mean you can't be smart. There ARE scientist who have their own beliefs whatever they may be, who are working on making the world a better place.

Science didn't say the Earth was flat either.

I don't have as bias view as you might think because several years ago I was a strong follower of Christianity. I've been baptized, had communion and confermation. I went to a Christian school, I've learnt the Bible. So I know that view because it was my view but when I looked deeper and opened my eyes using logic rather than faith...it really makes religion look like a joke now. I can't imaging thinking like that or how someone could.

Edit: I'm fairly sure they've past the theory stage of not needing a fetus as well.

Maybe you should put this discussion to the relgious folk as well. They seem to make the most noise when it comes to disproving ideas....Morphic

The discussion is only aimed at why disproving religion would be bad because you can't disprove science. lol not that I'm aware of.

A lot of you either didn't read my opening post (just the title), or totally misunderstood it. I'm not for religion (read my post, I'm not religious). I'm not saying religion holds back "the evils" of the planet. I'm not asking you what you believe in or what you think. I was just asking why anyone would want to do something that...in the end.....could potentially ruin mankind's want to strive for anything. Without religion 90% of the world would feel no reason to keep living life.

What would happen then? Do you really think religious people could just swallow "the facts" and accept it? No, of course not, they'd be crushed...leading to the topic of why anyone would want to do that.

Insecurity.Theokhoth

Ha this is so true. ;)

Why?

Because what's better than emotionally crippling 75% of the planet?

Well religion is kind of unfalsifiable so it would be a mighty task indeed.

If it could be done though I probably wouldn't. Religion is kind of a necessary white lie for some people.

Why would ANYONE want to live their life in ignorance? Why would you want comfort from a lie? If the only thing that keeps you motivated is your religion, you might want to reconsider your life choices. Your family, friends, and job should be motivating you to live, not some fairy tale people thought up in order to fill a gap in their life that they have created themselves.Manly-manly-man

I reject that untill you can prove it is a lie, or ignorant.

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]Why would ANYONE want to live their life in ignorance? Why would you want comfort from a lie? If the only thing that keeps you motivated is your religion, you might want to reconsider your life choices. Your family, friends, and job should be motivating you to live, not some fairy tale people thought up in order to fill a gap in their life that they have created themselves.123625

I reject that untill you can prove it is a lie, or ignorant.

What I meant by that is that it is ignorant to believe in a religion without looking at evidence for and against it just because many others do or people close to you do. If you look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that some religion is the most reasonable of them all, moreso than even scientific theories, that's great. But if you reject scientific theories and other religions because it differs from what you grew up with and WANT to believe, then you're a damned fool.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]Why would ANYONE want to live their life in ignorance? Why would you want comfort from a lie? If the only thing that keeps you motivated is your religion, you might want to reconsider your life choices. Your family, friends, and job should be motivating you to live, not some fairy tale people thought up in order to fill a gap in their life that they have created themselves.Manly-manly-man

I reject that untill you can prove it is a lie, or ignorant.

What I meant by that is that it is ignorant to believe in a religion without looking at evidence for and against it just because many others do or people close to you do. If you look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that some religion is the most reasonable of them all, moreso than even scientific theories, that's great. But if you reject scientific theories and other religions because it differs from what you grew up with and WANT to believe, then you're a damned fool.

No, it certainly didn't seem like you meant that at all. You directly called religion a "lie" and "ignorance. You even called religion a "fairy tale." Please:roll:, If you actually meant what you said just then, then you would not of accused religion of all these things to begin with.

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]Why would ANYONE want to live their life in ignorance? Why would you want comfort from a lie? If the only thing that keeps you motivated is your religion, you might want to reconsider your life choices. Your family, friends, and job should be motivating you to live, not some fairy tale people thought up in order to fill a gap in their life that they have created themselves.123625

I reject that untill you can prove it is a lie, or ignorant.

What I meant by that is that it is ignorant to believe in a religion without looking at evidence for and against it just because many others do or people close to you do. If you look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that some religion is the most reasonable of them all, moreso than even scientific theories, that's great. But if you reject scientific theories and other religions because it differs from what you grew up with and WANT to believe, then you're a damned fool.

No, it certainly didn't seem like you meant that at all. You directly called religion a "lie" and "ignorance. You even called religion a "fairy tale." Please:roll:, If you actually meant what you said just then, then you would not of accused religion of all these things to begin with.

If you were to take in context with the topic title, you would understand the meaning of my post a bit better. By not trying to disprove it, or, as I said, at least look at the evidence, how can you know it ISN'T fairly tale or a lie? You can't. Also, for future reference, don't be insulting if you're trying to clear up an issue, and don't tell someone they are a liar unless you are 100% of their meaning.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]Why would ANYONE want to live their life in ignorance? Why would you want comfort from a lie? If the only thing that keeps you motivated is your religion, you might want to reconsider your life choices. Your family, friends, and job should be motivating you to live, not some fairy tale people thought up in order to fill a gap in their life that they have created themselves.Manly-manly-man

I reject that untill you can prove it is a lie, or ignorant.

What I meant by that is that it is ignorant to believe in a religion without looking at evidence for and against it just because many others do or people close to you do. If you look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that some religion is the most reasonable of them all, moreso than even scientific theories, that's great. But if you reject scientific theories and other religions because it differs from what you grew up with and WANT to believe, then you're a damned fool.

No, it certainly didn't seem like you meant that at all. You directly called religion a "lie" and "ignorance. You even called religion a "fairy tale." Please:roll:, If you actually meant what you said just then, then you would not of accused religion of all these things to begin with.

If you were to take in context with the topic title, you would understand the meaning of my post a bit better. By not trying to disprove it, or, as I said, at least look at the evidence, how can you know it ISN'T fairly tale or a lie? You can't. Also, for future reference, don't be insulting if you're trying to clear up an issue, and don't tell someone they are a liar unless you are 100% of their meaning.

Well reading you're post again, I understand what you were trying to say. Plus, i don't think i insulted you at all. But even if someone doesn't know all the facts about a certain subject, doesnt make it a fairy tale.

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


harashawn

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

no because god doesnt exist, so whats holding us back from "playing" him?

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Religion leads to greed, power hunger, bigotry, ignorance, war and holds society back.

Example of greed and power: Christian church worth billions and could help millions of poverty and sick people. They choose not too and instead tell them that god will help if they worship him.

Bigoty: Do I need to explain this?

Ignorance: "Evolotion is a lie"

War: Crusades, Jihads, about 1000 others.

Holds society back: Trys to counter a lot of science including stem cell research would could cure millions of people of various things.


smarb001

1. Ever hear of missions in Africa?

3. That can go either way.

4. USA attacked Iraq for reasons other than religion.

5. Maybe we shouldn't try playing God. Ever think about that?

no because god doesnt exist, so whats holding us back from "playing" him?

I beg to differ. Anyways, it's a well known expression meaning "attempting to taking control of something beyond your limits".

With the stem cell argument going on: the Church does not and never has opposed adult stem cells, and as has been said, embryos aren't even needed for embryonic stem cell research anymore.

It's a pointless debate.

As the topic of the thread says, why would you? There are people out there, scientists, atheists, etc...that wish to disprove religion. Why? I myself am not religious, and at this point in my life would say I'm leaning more towards atheism (sorry, I just dont think Eve ate an apple and we're all sinners now? : /).

duble_Needler23

[QUOTE="duble_Needler23"]

As the topic of the thread says, why would you? There are people out there, scientists, atheists, etc...that wish to disprove religion. Why? I myself am not religious, and at this point in my life would say I'm leaning more towards atheism (sorry, I just dont think Eve ate an apple and we're all sinners now? : /).

Blitz_Nemesis

its impossible only if the earth is 6000 years old

Religion is that leading cause of death in the world. People die every day at the hands of other people who simply don't believe in the same invisible man they do. 44% of Americans FIRMLY believe that Jesus will float down out of the sky and return to Earth. That same 44% wants Creationism taught in schools in place of Evolution. I think it's unhealthy for the future growth of the planet to govern ourselves based on religious beliefs.Ultimator777

I thought men killing men was the leading cause of death:?. Who knew faith itself could actually kill:o. People die everyday at the hands of atheists also. It doesn't mean atheism itself is causing the deaths. A few corrupt people find any reason to murder, so if there was no religion, then another reason will come into play to excuse the killings. And also creationism should be taught in schools, just not in the science classroom. It is good for children to learn about Religion. Also, most if not all 1st world countries have secular governments, so religion isn't really governing that much anymore.

-Wall of Text-foxhound_fox

I agree completely. Fantastic post :).

The discussion is only aimed at why disproving religion would be bad because you can't disprove science. lol not that I'm aware of.

A lot of you either didn't read my opening post (just the title), or totally misunderstood it. I'm not for religion (read my post, I'm not religious). I'm not saying religion holds back "the evils" of the planet. I'm not asking you what you believe in or what you think. I was just asking why anyone would want to do something that...in the end.....could potentially ruin mankind's want to strive for anything.Without religion 90% of the world would feel no reason to keep living life.

What would happen then? Do you really think religious people could just swallow "the facts" and accept it? No, of course not, they'd be crushed...leading to the topic of why anyone would want to do that.

duble_Needler23

I am part of that 90%, and I agree wholeheartedly. Sure I have a good life and a wonderful family, but if I found out that I will not get to see them when I die, I just do not think life would be worth living. Life on earth is filled with heartache, pain, and challenges, and to go through all of that for nothing would be horrible.

Religion is that leading cause of death in the world. Ultimator777

Gee, and here I thought it was cardiovascular disease. Wait--that's religion's fault, too!:roll:

Oh hoh hoh.. another religion topic gone wrong. How many times must you all argue about this until you realize that no one will win this debate?Kuhu

It's easy to win a debate. The problem with GameSpot debates is that the number of possible replies is unlimited. Set it up so it goes a few rounds and things are considerably different.

As the topic of the thread says, why would you? There are people out there, scientists, atheists, etc...that wish to disprove religion. Why? I myself am not religious, and at this point in my life would say I'm leaning more towards atheism (sorry, I just dont think Eve ate an apple and we're all sinners now? : /).

HOWEVER, why want to disprove it? Take a guess at what the single most powerful force in the entire world is. It's Faith. 90-95% of the world believes in "something"; a god, a higher being. So let's say we do find scientific evidence that completely discredits religion...would it be worth it to crush 90-95% of the world's faith? Would it be worth it to take away the reason 90-95% of people get up in the morning, go to work, become motivated, and enjoy there lives If faith is the reason for that, all atheists should be on benefits.? Whatever your stance on religion, one thing is certain: those who firmly believe in it tend to be very content with thier lives. Faith built the pyramids, Faith made Columbus' journey to the new world possible, Faith made the United States of America Eh?, and Faith brought about the discoveries of logic No it didn't., reason No it didn't., and science No it didn't.. What if 90-95% of the entire planet lost something to believe in Faith =/= the only thing to believe in...what would happen? It could be catastrophic. Or it could be beneficial.

Let's also not confuse the word "Faith"And then you go on to confuse it... how ironic.. Faith isn't just a word pertaining to religion; scientists have faith in what they do, what they believe. Saying you don't believe in something, anything at all, that keeps you motivated and helps you enjoy life...that's a stretch and rather ridiculous What has that got to do with not being religious?. Everyone has faith in sometihng, even the most hardcore of Atheists or the people who swear by evolution. Faith in science, perhaps.:roll: Faith is belief in something that hasn't been proved. Evolution has been proved.

My point is, why even attempt to disprove religion? There is absolutely not one single positive outcome this could have on the planet Iraq's sectarian violence would end. There's one. Sharia Law would be abandoned. There's another....the only thing it would do is destroy the most powerful force in the entire world. You seem to be acting on the assumption that it is a powerful force for good.

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Because believe it or not, there are extremist Athiests in the world. The chinese government being at the top of the list. However, many exist in this country too.TheLastPrincess

Um... the Chinese government are totalitarian pseudo-Communists. I don't see what extremist atheism has to do with that.

[QUOTE="TheLastPrincess"]Because believe it or not, there are extremist Athiests in the world. The chinese government being at the top of the list. However, many exist in this country too.Funky_Llama

Um... the Chinese government are totalitarian pseudo-Communists. I don't see what extremist atheism has to do with that.

I think he's referring to this.

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[QUOTE="TheLastPrincess"]Because believe it or not, there are extremist Athiests in the world. The chinese government being at the top of the list. However, many exist in this country too.Theokhoth

Um... the Chinese government are totalitarian pseudo-Communists. I don't see what extremist atheism has to do with that.

I think he's referring to this.

That's not extremist atheism, just as state theism isn't extremist religion. Also, I think it's a she, judging by the username.

[QUOTE="Kuhu"]Oh hoh hoh.. another religion topic gone wrong. How many times must you all argue about this until you realize that no one will win this debate?Theokhoth

It's easy to win a debate. The problem with GameSpot debates is that the number of possible replies is unlimited. Set it up so it goes a few rounds and things are considerably different.

Not really.. People would just make even more topics then before and revive the great debate over and over again.